What I Don't Understand About Fan Reaction to Allen

[Bill from NYC]

I have been on this wonderful board for many, many years. Now, I am reading these posts that are absolutely hating the Allen pick and it is hard to understand why. Almost every season, I was on this board blasting yet another idiotic first round pick by the Bills. For instance:  A #8 (in a stacked draft) on an undersized Donte Whitner? How about a 1st on a half dead Willis McGahee? In 2008 we had a very poor OL. It was awful. We drafted Leotis McKelvin, passing up both Ryan Clady and Branden Albert.

 

I could go on and on but my point is that fans were generally supportive of these clearly stupid picks. Now, we finally use resources on a big, strong quarterback and most people seem to hate the kid. Why? Because he said stupid things when he was a toddler? Because he went to a small school?

 

After what seemed like forever, we took a chance on solidifying the most important position on the field. We moved up to make sure we landed a qb with a cannon arm. What is SO freaking bad?

 

I for one am glad that we did something smart (for a change) in round 1, and welcome this young man to Buffalo.

 

GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited April 27, 2018 by Bill from NYC

[oldmanfan]

Couldn't agree more.  I'll be honest, I would have taken Rosen.  But as Beane said each of the QBs in this class had positives and negatives.  They liked Allen's positives.

 

Some  compare this pick to EJ.  To me it's JP.  Same big arm and stuff but JP never could handle the mental aspects of the position.  Will Allen be able to?  We'll see.  But I'd say the same for all the QBs drafted this year.

[Bangarang]

4 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I could go on and on but my point is that fans were generally supportive of these clearly stupid picks. Now, we finally use resources on a big, strong quarterback and most people seem to hate the kid. Why? Because he said stupid things when he was a toddler? Because he went to a small school?

 

I’ve watched him play and don’t think he’s any good. 

[ALF]

I would feel better if the Bills had a real QB coach and veteran QB to mentor Allen.  

[jr1]

 

[Commish]

I agree - haters gonna hate. Guy's super likeable, to boot - a great QB? Ask again in three years - same can be said for all the QBs.

[greeneblitz]

As usual at draft time it becomes political, if you like a guy you must therefore must destroy every other possible adversary, can't believe that it's a bunch of actual grown men and women that act this way. Now with social media people get so tied up debating they think they're part of the actual process lol, like mad at the GM for not listening to their hour or two of youtube and WGR "draft research"

8 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

I’ve watched him play and don’t think he’s any good. 

...and you are????? I think we should go with the whole room of professional scouts that do this for a living.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

He's a fine prospect. But I'm tired of our franchise QB struggling to process information. This goes back to Rob Johnson. Johnson, Losman, Manuel, and Allen are all the same QB. Strong arm, athletic QB's that don't process the game fast enough. The accuracy isn't even my concern. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 27, 2018 by TheTruthHurts

[Xwnyer]

16 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I have been on this wonderful board for many, many years. Now, I am reading these posts that are absolutely hating the Allen pick and it is hard to understand why. Almost every season, I was on this board blasting yet another idiotic first round pick by the Bills. for instance: A  #8 (in a stacked draft) on an undersized Donte Whitner? How about a 1st on a half dead Willis McGahee? In 2008 we had a very poor OL. It was awful. We drafted Leotis McKelvin, passing up both Ryan Clady and Branden Albert?

 

I could go on and on but my point is that fans were generally supportive of these clearly stupid picks. Now, we finally use resources on a big, strong quarterback and most people seem to hate the kid. Why? Because he said stupid things when he was a toddler? Because he went to a small school?

 

After what seemed like forever, we took a chance on solidifying the most important position on the field. We moved up to make sure we landed a qb with a cannon arm. What is SO freaking bad?

 

I for one am glad that we did something smart (for a change) in round 1, and welcome this young man to Buffalo.

 

GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Because we are becoming very polarized and will hate every top pick.   This GM and coach seem to be making moves that they think will make this team better.  I am ok with it since they made good picks last year and played well above the talent level.   But the “fans” will find every reason they can to hate the pick things like the owner liked the guy, he made some stupid tweets (yet they love the ones from the idiot in White House) etc etc etc.   as I predicted in. A thread I started months ago This would happen

[Bangarang]

9 minutes ago, greeneblitz said:

...and you are????? I think we should go with the whole room of professional scouts that do this for a living.

 

You can think whatever you want to think, I don’t really care. I have my reason why I don’t like the pick. If you want to trust the people that get paid to make these picks then go ahead but I won’t simply disregard what I believe just Because there are people in an NFL front office that feel differently. There were also people getting paid to scout for a living who thought EJ Manual was a franchise QB as well. These guys get it wrong all the time.

 

People that don’t scout for a living have a lot of resources to make informed opinions. If I’m wrong about him then that’s great. I just don’t see his flaws improving enough to make him great.

Edited April 27, 2018 by Bangarang

[cd1]

5 minutes ago, jr1 said:

 

GREAT - YET another QB we have to dumb the game down for.

 

Sorry, but this is all to reminiscent of EJ Manuel. 

 

I was a great supporter of EJ and no one could tell you the kid did not work hard BUT we all know he never improved.

 

I pray I am wrong and Allen can be "The Guy".  But, it seems that, for the time being, my optimism is BROKEN. 

 

 

[T-Bomb]

11 minutes ago, greeneblitz said:

As usual at draft time it becomes political, if you like a guy you must therefore must destroy every other possible adversary, can't believe that it's a bunch of actual grown men and women that act this way. Now with social media people get so tied up debating they think they're part of the actual process lol, like mad at the GM for not listening to their hour or two of youtube and WGR "draft research"

...and you are????? I think we should go with the whole room of professional scouts that do this for a living.

 

And fans like you are simply useless tbh...

 

No matter what dumbass FO this organization hires, you just sit there with your thumb up your ass, drinking the KoolAid, assuming the FO can do no wrong, because they are "your Bills".  Whatever colossal draft mistake they make, you'll support it in lemming-like fashion,  It's pathetic.

 

Loser fans deserve a loser franchise I guess...

Edited April 27, 2018 by T-Bomb

[Doc Brown]

21 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I have been on this wonderful board for many, many years. Now, I am reading these posts that are absolutely hating the Allen pick and it is hard to understand why. Almost every season, I was on this board blasting yet another idiotic first round pick by the Bills. for instance: A  #8 (in a stacked draft) on an undersized Donte Whitner? How about a 1st on a half dead Willis McGahee? In 2008 we had a very poor OL. It was awful. We drafted Leotis McKelvin, passing up both Ryan Clady and Branden Albert?

 

I could go on and on but my point is that fans were generally supportive of these clearly stupid picks. Now, we finally use resources on a big, strong quarterback and most people seem to hate the kid. Why? Because he said stupid things when he was a toddler? Because he went to a small school?

 

After what seemed like forever, we took a chance on solidifying the most important position on the field. We moved up to make sure we landed a qb with a cannon arm. What is SO freaking bad?

 

I for one am glad that we did something smart (for a change) in round 1, and welcome this young man to Buffalo.

 

GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No.  Because he averaged 164 yards per game with a 56% completion percentage in the Mountain West Conference.

[Pbomb]

5 minutes ago, T-Bomb said:

 

And fans like you are simply useless tbh...

 

No matter what dumbass FO this organization hires, you just sit there with your thumb up your ass, drinking the KoolAid, assuming the FO can do no wrong, because they are "your Bills".  Whatever colossal draft mistake they make, you'll support it in lemming-like fashion,  It's pathetic.

 

Loser fans deserve a loser franchise I guess...

If only we kept tyrod.

[Troll Toll]

8 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

No.  Because he averaged 164 yards per game with a 56% completion percentage in the Mountain West Conference.

Thank you I don’t think anyone could have put it more succinctly.

[oldmanfan]

13 minutes ago, T-Bomb said:

 

And fans like you are simply useless tbh...

 

No matter what dumbass FO this organization hires, you just sit there with your thumb up your ass, drinking the KoolAid, assuming the FO can do no wrong, because they are "your Bills".  Whatever colossal draft mistake they make, you'll support it in lemming-like fashion,  It's pathetic.

 

Loser fans deserve a loser franchise I guess...

Just proved the OPs point

[T-Bomb]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Just proved the OPs point

 

Have you had your KoolAid yet this morning?  

[Magox]

Bill, I think most of the hate comes from the fact that the stigma that follows him is one of an inaccurate passer, primarily because of his 56% passer rating.  I think in some fans minds shades of EJ Manuel come to mind.

 

To be honest with you alot of this is on-the-surface analysis because the fact is he played in a system that relied on the long ball (which he has a beautiful deep ball) that naturally will net a lower completion %, he had a bad line that didn't give a lot of time to throw the ball and awful receivers who couldn't separate.  

 

When you actually see the video of some of his games, you see that the label of being a woefully inaccurate passer simply aren't true.  Yes, he does have some accuracy issues but not nearly as pronounced as what his reputation would have you believe.

 

The kid makes unbelievable throws in right windows and on the run.  He's also am anticipation thrower, something we haven't had in a long while.

 

He's a hard worker and he is very bright.

 

I don't believe he will be a bust and i happen to think his floor is much higher than most.  

Edited April 27, 2018 by Magox

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, T-Bomb said:

 

Have you had your KoolAid yet this morning?  

Have you had your morning bottle and been burped yet?  

[Bill from NYC]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

Just proved the OPs point

Well you see omf, I was one to complain for many, many years. For example, when Whaley gave away the store for Watkins, I blasted the move from day 1 (and still do).  People said I was wrong because he was "good." Tell me. what "good" was he for the Bills, a team with huge QB problems?

 

Now, we went after a big strong QB who might also be good. I would much rather miss with a qb than waste another prime pick on a db or rb.