yungmack Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 56 minutes ago, Thurmanator 12074 said: I Agree with that statement. Also maybe these football players should concentrate on football instead of pissing off more then half their customer base with politics either left or right or social justice warrior antics. Play football and keep this other stuff off the field and out of team activities. I can hear you in Germany in the 30s telling Jews to just shut up and run their shops. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Just now, 3rdnlng said: So, you are saying that my distaste for the players kneeling is because of Trump? He wasn't the original cause of the kneeling by any means, but... The kneeling had almost totally died out when he chose to make his comments. In the week before he made his "SOB's" remark, there were less than 10 players who kneeled (and I want to say it was closer to 3-5 but I'd have to do some research again because I don't remember offhand. I researched this quite a while ago now). There were only a few on Sunday, and even less on Monday and Thursday. Then Trump made his comments (a very curious time to make these comments, when the kneeling was almost dead...) and literally 100's of players took a knee the following Sunday. For some reason he chose to pour gasoline on the dying coals of a fire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloBud420 said: .004% of unarmed blacks death are by police...and no country is perfect. There is a database of "unarmed black deaths"? Which also lists the perpetrators?? Just now, BillsFan4 said: For some reason he chose to pour gasoline on the dying coals of a fire. For a good reason - to stoke his base. As this thread demonstrates, it worked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 25 minutes ago, Stokes84 said: I'd ask the same of you. You accused my timeline of being wrong. Show it. Again, without Trump inserting himself, for no other reason than to whip his base into a frenzy, there were very, very few demonstrations. It started with CK and then spread. After it got to be somewhat common with some players on most teams Trump brought it up. Thems the facts. BTW, this conversation has no place here, and It should have already been moved to PPP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Ultimely the NFL gives them the right to kneel not the Constitution in this case, because it's not public place. The NFL has alienated many if its fans with this. Believe me Trump wasn't the first person to bring this up, just got a lot of attention because the media loves reacting to Trump. There is a reason why Kap doesn't have a job. Given you're apparent distaste for what CK has done, based on merit, do you think he should have a job in the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 When's Pegula going to fire his right hand man Cliff Benson for being on the board of directors of Second Mile, the charity Gerry Sandusky used to molest children. Or at least speak on the matter. The chickens will come home to roost, Terry. Pegula shouldn't be a moral arbiter of anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: It started with CK and then spread. After it got to be somewhat common with some players on most teams Trump brought it up. Thems the facts. BTW, this conversation has no place here, and It should have already been moved to PPP. I peek in over at PPP from time to time, you guys are a bunch of yahoos. Edited April 25, 2018 by stony 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 11 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: Actually, you dont support free speech 100% because your are now putting limitations on when and where it's acceptable. CK didn't break any laws or even any league rules when he chose to kneel for the anthem. He had his reasons and it was only a problem when the point was twisted by the public and a certain person on Twitter who took it to mean something else. If people have a problem with CK using his position as a QB in the NFL to support a cause, no player should be allowed to. Players supporting local food bank, or underprivelaged kids, or hospitals, or illnesses shouldn't be allowed either then. They shouldn't be allowed to mention or thank god/jesus in interviews. They should just shut their mouths and play their sport. Then everyone can stay happy cause nothing would change and everything would stay the same...... It's all about free speech until someone says something you dont like. Some may see what he is doing as respecting his country more because instead of just sitting back and accepting it, he is doing something to try and make it a better place for all Americans, not just the white ones. And maybe the problem is (if you believe he is disrespecting the flag) that the country the flag represents is not respecting him and others that are a part of it by not treating them as equals? Horseshit. If I agreed with you then I would support wrongly yelling Fire! in a crowded theater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Just now, stony said: I peak in over at PPP from time to time, you guys are a bunch of yahoos. It's a bunch of neocons and "get off my porch or I'll shoot" fantasy-libertarians (as opposed to classical liberal libertarians), interspersed with the "Fox 'N' Friends" parrots and a few quasi-racist lunatics who live in their parents' basements. Stay away. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBud420 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: There is a database of "unarmed black deaths"? Which also lists the perpetrators?? For a good reason - to stoke his base. As this thread demonstrates, it worked. Look up the stats. Keep watching CNN snowflake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, BuffaloBud420 said: Look up the stats. Keep watching CNN snowflake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 58 minutes ago, That_Guy said: blah, why do politics have to invade every facet of my life? It’s outrage porn. It’s everywhere now. Everything has to be reduced to a false binary “us vs. them” issue. It drives clicks and eyeballs for the corporate news outlets and keeps us focused on our few differences rather than our vastly larger amount of similarities. Instead of asking ourselves “Why am I being told this?” we end up asking “Why do those that disagree with me hate America?” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, stony said: I peek in over at PPP from time to time, you guys are a bunch of yahoos. We see you guys on occasion when you visit. In most cases you come to comment on things you know nothing about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 35 minutes ago, BuffaloBud420 said: What's going on in this country? Booming economy, denuclearization of North Korea, strength in the Middle East...and snowflakes whining. The booming economy is thanks to the previous administration. Right now it's teetering on the edge. Last I looked, N. Korea is still nuked up. When Kim says denuclearization he means if we have to withdraw ours (You'd know this if you read a legitimate paper). And what strength in the Middle East? We've been pushed to the sidelines, Russia has replaced us as the Big Power, and they, Iran and Turkey are negotiating the endgame without us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: We see you guys on occasion when you visit. In most cases you come to comment on things you know nothing about. Ok. Noted sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) Just now, Coach Tuesday said: It's a bunch of neocons and "get off my porch or I'll shoot" fantasy-libertarians (as opposed to classical liberal libertarians), interspersed with the "Fox 'N' Friends" parrots and a few quasi-racist lunatics who live in their parents' basements. Stay away. Yeah I went in there a couple times but got tired real quick of banging my head against a wall. I'd take 2 hours researching something from both sides and laying out an argument using nothing but the facts, and I'd provide links from legitimate sources to back everything up I said. I'd write 12 paragraphs and All id get was either some version of "you're wrong" or no comment at all and I'd see them just continue to spout the same nonsense that I had just refuted. Edit - to be fair, it wasn't every poster in there. Just some. Edited April 25, 2018 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogger Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, BuffaloBud420 said: .004% of unarmed blacks death are by police...and no country is perfect. I am not sure your stats are correct, but shouldn’t that number be 0%? I absolutly support the athletes right to protest and if I were given the same voice and abilities, I would join them on the field. They are not saying negative things about the Military (nor the FBI, see trumps daily tweet) they are taking a knee in silent protest because of police brutality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsFan4 said: Yeah I went in there a couple times but got tired real quick of banging my head against a wall. I'd take 2 hours researching something from both sides and laying out an argument using nothing but the facts, and I'd provide links from legitimate sources to back everything up I said. All id get was either some version of "you're wrong" or no comment at all and I'd see them just continue to spout the same nonsense that I had just refuted. And when they run out of arguments, they attack the poster, the source of the information, or rail against media bias/conspiracies. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Just now, BillsFan4 said: Yeah I went in there a couple times but got tired real quick of banging my head against a wall. I'd take 2 hours researching something from both sides and laying out an argument using nothing but the facts, and I'd provide links from legitimate sources to back everything up I said. All id get was either some version of "you're wrong" or no comment at all and I'd see them just continue to spout the same nonsense that I had just refuted. If I remember correctly some of us thought your use of "The Onion" as a source was not very convincing. 2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: And when they run out of arguments, they attack the poster, the source of the information, or rail against media bias/conspiracies. When someone has a poor argument they get eviscerated. Sorry you had to be put through that, but you should have good arguments instead. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 LOL. I just had a thought about Peg's comment about not wanting the NFL glacier to slip below the waterline. If the Bills were to draft Rosen, the first media question Terry might get asked is "What do you think about your new franchise QB's F*** Trump hat, Terry?" Not good.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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