We May Need to Resign Ourselves to Allen at 5

[Dadonkadonk]

My guess is “accuracy issues” has more letters in those two words than the total number of plays 99% of this board has seen Allen play.

[maryland-bills-fan]

Soooooo.   Charlie Casserly gets to peek at 24 of the team's big board.   Yep.  Of course.   The guy who picked Schuler 3rd knows a lot about QB's.  Do you really believe this?

[Midwest1981]

13 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said:

My guess is “accuracy issues” has more letters in those two words than the total number of plays 99% of this board has seen Allen play.

I've seen him play.  And honestly, I was more impressed than I expected to be, especially purely looking at raw stats.

 

I still don't believe he belongs as the consensus #2 QB.

Edited April 25, 2018 by Midwest1981

[Bookie Man]

I think if EJ played in the Mountain West, he'd look very similar to Josh Allen. I think EJ might even look better. 

[maryland-bills-fan]

Allen didn't get any college offers after high school and went to the well-know powerhouse Reedley College.  After 2 years at that junior college, (playing against other programs like Monterey Peninsula College) he tried to get a scholarship to a 4 year school and had only two colleges interested.   He went to Wyoming (in the 7th best football conference) and his senior year the highest ranked team they beat was Colorado State, #83 nationally.  He had a 30 QB rating against Iowa and a 6 (six) rating against <<Colorado>>>  EDIT:  Should have written Oregon..   His completion percent was 53, & 56%. in the pros it goes down about 10%.  How in the heck is this guy a top 6 QB?  https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/4/24/17271686/josh-allen-nfl-draft-2018-stats-analysis-comparisons

Edited April 25, 2018 by maryland-bills-fan

[Mat68]

I firmly believe Rosen is Buffalo's target.  Buffalo didnt bring in a starter or a mentor.  They brought in Mccarron to compete against the rookie.  The only guy I think walks into any team and expects to take the job day one is Rosen.  They dont risk him going somewhere else or falling.  3 1s to the gets for Rosen and a 5th.  

[Dr.Sack]

If this regime selects Allen & he fails they are out of jobs by 2020.

[NickelCity]

Well, we know what to pray wont happen. It will happen though, won't it?

Edited April 25, 2018 by NickelCity

[Peace Frog]

I would just as soon have the Bills use the 12th pick on either Rosen or Mayfield.

[USABuffaloFan]

2 hours ago, Midwest1981 said:

Credit to 26CornerBlitz for finding this and posting it in another thread presently on this first page, but this also confirms that Allen is the consensus #2 QB on teams' boards:

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000928334/article/2018-nfl-draft-qb-rankings-execs-like-sam-darnold-over-allen

Then I would wait till round 2 at 53 and take Rudolph, Lauletta or Falk. These guys can compete immediately with McCarron and Peterman, may the best man win but keep all 3.

1 hour ago, Fadingpain said:

I'm PRAYING for Cleveland to take Allen #1 overall.

 

I don't think it's going to happen however.

 

 

Allen by far has the biggest upside, could be Elway or Russell. His accuracy is what is questioned but he has a better TD to INT ratio than Darnold. Rosen has the best all around traits but has concussion and attitude issues. Darnold is the best prospect not to fail. Baker is the most ready as a rookie, pure athlete. 

16 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:

I would just as soon have the Bills use the 12th pick on either Rosen or Mayfield.

That was a convenient thing to say, how do they get there

[USABuffaloFan]

1 hour ago, Mat68 said:

I firmly believe Rosen is Buffalo's target.  Buffalo didnt bring in a starter or a mentor.  They brought in Mccarron to compete against the rookie.  The only guy I think walks into any team and expects to take the job day one is Rosen.  They dont risk him going somewhere else or falling.  3 1s to the gets for Rosen and a 5th.  

Actually that would be Darnold or Baker. Rosen may need a year to build body and put time from concussion issues. That is why he will go to the Jets who got TWO QB's to use before and give Rosen time.

2 hours ago, Domdab99 said:

As I've mentioned before, trading up for Allen will only compound the disaster of picking him. If we're going to take a flyer on him, at least don't trade up to do it. 

Unless Bills think Allen can compete immediately that will be a bad selection even if he can be had a 22. Rudolph, Baker, Darnold, Lauletta, Falk can at least compete immediately with Peterman and McCarron. I would stay far away from Jackson and his "skinny" core, just doesn't have a NFL body, Randall Cunningham all the way.

6 minutes ago, DougFlutie7 said:

I continue to believe Beane is not dumb enough to like Allen. Beane is to bright to hitch his wagon to a HUGE project. Beane is the only GM since John Butler that I thought knew what the hell he was doing. I wouldn’t draft Allen in the 7th round and I’m not joking. If they move up and select him I will lose all faith in this regime. And if he selects him over Rosen it’s gonna be like if the Colts selected Leaf over Manning. If I’m wrong I’m gonna need therapy. 

I agree because he knows Bills need allot more than a Franchise QB. I am sure McDermott is not writing 2018 off.

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

You see, I have a weird feeling the Jets will take Allen.

 

Its just a feeling. And if it happens, I’ll probably find the closest female, and impregnate her as if we were the last two humans on earth.

 

Agree. I believe the Jets want Allen. 

[CaptnCoke11]

I like Allen a lot as a prospect.  He reminds me a lot of Big Ben when he came out of Miami Ohio.  

[8-8 Forever?]

4 hours ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

Allen didn't get any college offers after high school and went to the well-know powerhouse Reedley College.  After 2 years at that junior college, (playing against other programs like Monterey Peninsula College) he tried to get a scholarship to a 4 year school and had only two colleges interested.   He went to Wyoming (in the 7th best football conference) and his senior year the highest ranked team they beat was Colorado State, #83 nationally.  He had a 30 QB rating against Iowa and a 6 (six) rating against Colorado.   His completion percent was 53, & 56%. in the pros it goes down about 10%.  How in the heck is this guy a top 6 QB?  https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/4/24/17271686/josh-allen-nfl-draft-2018-stats-analysis-comparisons

 

Agree.   I think they should stick at 12 and see who drops to them.   A franchise in a garden spot like Buffalo NY can only be built through the draft, where the guys have no choice but to play there for at least 4 or 5 years.   Just my two cents as since none of these QB prospects are sure bets, why blow the entire draft to bet on one of them? 

[billsredneck1]

4 hours ago, Peace Frog said:

I would just as soon have the Bills use the 12th pick on either Rosen or Mayfield.

that happening with either of those guys would be a gift from above for the bills. i prefer mayfield.

 

however, i wouldn't bet 10 cents on this happening.

[CSBill]

If we end up with Allen, I will be very happy--he has the most upside, and we have a QB who can hold the fort while he grows into the roll.

 

And to those that say the Bills will not be able to trade up, I agree---mainly because that takes a willing partner, and I do not see any team giving in, they will ask for a Kings Ransom, and I can't see us doing that.

 

So at 12, it's Jackson or Rudolph

Edited April 25, 2018 by CSBill

[eball]

It's really kinda said that if Allen becomes a Bill, it seems that about 80% of the fan base will already be waiting for him to fail -- even hoping he does so they can say "I told you so."

[YoloinOhio]

7 hours ago, Midwest1981 said:

This is no endorsement; my greatest draft-related fear this spring has been trading a massive amount of assets to move up for the QB who actually NEEDS us to hold onto most of those assets because he (Allen) needs the most help (at least the Giants' refusal to trade out of 2 means it'll cost less than the Bills moving up to #5).  But my intuitive sense has been building for a while that Allen is who we'll have in our possession two nights from now.  Why do I feel that way?

 

The physical characteristics that would appeal to McBeane are obvious but include prototypical size (and then some), especially for the region of the country in which Buffalo plays, the fact that Allen is mildly reminiscent to Cam between his arm, escapability, and mobility (less mobile, clearly, but an even bigger arm- according to Trent Dilfer it isn't hyperbolic to say THE biggest arm the NFL has ever seen), AND more importantly Allen's humble and hard-working nature seems to embody the culture McBeane wants.  I personally really like Baker Mayfield but I feel the Bills feel he doesn't (he'll likely be gone by three, anyway).

 

Allen's play on the field- not just isolating last year, when Wyoming's offense saw many key defections- doesn't warrant being second on the Bills' board.... or any team's board.  But according to Charlie Casserly, who spoke to 24 different teams, Allen is the consensus #2 QB.  And superficially most of us would agree that's the building consensus, if we're being honest.

 

To Allen’s credit, he’s had a “clean” draft process and has impressed at every turn. Mind you, we’re taking about against a defense that isn’t allowed to blitz (Senior Bowl) and in a t-shirt and shorts (Combine and Pro Day). But some teams still see (what they believe to be) real progress.

 

And though it's dumbfounding (the durability concerns are valid; character concerns are overblown at best)... Josh Rosen just hasn't been able to shake matters related to likability and get teams to buy in.

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2770325-love-and-football-nfl-insiders-on-the-josh-rosen-question-and-why-it-matters?share=twitter

 

Since it seems Darnold is still going 1st overall (if Benjamin Allright is vindicated), Baker's going 3 and has an incompatible personality anyway, and teams are generally lukewarm on Rosen... it leads to Allen.

 

Don't shoot the messenger.  But don't be surprised.  And brace yourselves for it.

The Qb that appeals to Beane looks like Peterman and McCarron. They traded away a guy with Allen’s size and huge arm (Cardale) and mobility and big hands (Tyrod). No one knows if Cam is their prototypical qb, neither one made the call on drafting him. Better to look at the QBs they have actually wanted and not wanted since they arrived.

[DCOrange]

6 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

If this regime selects Allen & he fails they are out of jobs by 2020.

This is probably the case no matter which QB they take

[elltrain22]

I don't fear Josh Allen  at all.  He is polarizing! I think many people, have wrote alot of negative stuff about Allen, and TBH, some  of this discussion  is valid  and does make  the reader pause &  reflect. Allen  is NOT at all, a perfect prospect, but none of this "big 4" is. Mayfield is small & has a flamible  personality, Rosen has durability issues, Darnold is a bit raw & makes poor decisions with the football especially in  the red zone, and Allen is innaccurate & his stats are not eye popping. 

 

Not only will I not be fearful, but I am hopeful for this kid. I know the odds, and I know we may pass up Rosen or another good QB that I like but I trust Beane, McDermott, and also know that this kid could be really, really good for a long time. There's alot to like and I will be Allen's biggest fan.