jrober38 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, kdiggz said: What team spends a top 5 pick on a 3rd string QB? Those guys are after thoughts knowing that 9 out of 10 will be busts. Also since 2010, no QB has sat for 1 yr or more and turned out being a franchise QB. You only get better by playing You're moving the goal posts. You said there wouldn't be enough reps. That's obviously not true or else no QBs would get picked as developmental guys at the end of the draft. If lack or reps was a real thing, and you can't develop without reps, then picking QBs after the first couple rounds seems like a colossal waste. Jimmy Garoppolo is about to disagree with you. Edited April 24, 2018 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, jrober38 said: If there aren't enough reps, why do any NFL teams draft developmental 3rd string QBs? How many 1st and 2nd team reps do those guys take? Hint: the answer is less than 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Just now, jrober38 said: You're moving the goal posts. You said there wouldn't be enough reps. That's obviously not true or else no QBs would get picked as developmental guys at the end of the draft. If lack or reps was a real thing, and you can't develop without reps, then picking QBs after the first couple rounds seems like a colossal waste. Not a waste, someone has to be the back up. Either way investing 2 top 5 picks in a QB is a sure way to ensure both of them fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 39 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Rapoport - If you go through the reports, you can put almost every quarterback at the 1st pick to the Browns. No one really knows. Mayfield shouldn't be ruled out for the #1 pick, but is he the guy? No. #NFLDraft "Mayfield shouldn't be ruled out...but I'm ruling him out." That's some damn fine bloviating there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K D Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Just now, jrober38 said: You're moving the goal posts. You said there wouldn't be enough reps. That's obviously not true or else no QBs would get picked as developmental guys at the end of the draft. If lack or reps was a real thing, and you can't develop without reps, then picking QBs after the first couple rounds seems like a colossal waste. It is a waste. It's only for depth. That's why it's a late round pick because who cares. It's like buying a lottery ticket. People still do it even though they are going to lose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: Not a waste, someone has to be the back up. Either way investing 2 top 5 picks in a QB is a sure way to ensure both of them fail. What exactly are you basing this off? It's never been done. How can anyone be convinced it won't work when there's zero precedent for it. 1 minute ago, kdiggz said: It is a waste. It's only for depth. That's why it's a late round pick because who cares. It's like buying a lottery ticket. People still do it even though they are going to lose Dude, first round picks are a lottery ticket too. The guy they pick #1 overall probably isn't going to work out. I don't see any harm in doubling down as a franchise who hasn't had a competent QB in over 25 years. If I'm flipping a coin, and I absolutely have to flip a "heads", I'd want 2 flips of the coin instead of 1. Edited April 24, 2018 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) 25 minutes ago, jrober38 said: The numbers say that it's really hard to "get it right". Having two really good pass rushers means nothing if they don't have a QB. They need to walk away with this draft with a franchise QB to build around for the next 10 years. Picking two elite QB prospects all but guarantees that happens. Really?!? Do you not remember how the Giants beat the Pats (twice)? Remember the Broncos a couple of years ago? They won a Super Bowl with elite pass rush and terrible QB play. QB pressure is the 2nd most important thing and the Browns could have an ELITE pass rush this year. It doesn’t “mean nothing” without a QB. That’s the biggest overreaction. That’s what a team desperate for a franchise QB would say but it would be wrong. Ask the Colts and Packers what it’s like to have a QB and no rush. It isn’t hard to get it right at the top of the draft. It’s 50/50 or better. Who was the last QB picked at 1 that failed? Russell over a decade ago? If you don’t have enough confidence to get it right you should be in charge of that decision. Edited April 24, 2018 by Kirby Jackson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K D Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Dude, first round picks are a lottery ticket too. The guy they pick #1 overall probably isn't going to work out. I don't see any harm in doubling down as a franchise who hasn't had a competent QB in over 25 years. That's incorrect. High 1st round picks are usually about a 50/50 shot. Give me 50% odds on the lottery and I'll play every day. Also when you spend a high 1st on a QB you expect them to play right away. So now you have 2 high picks and ones a backup. Waste of a pick when you could have had the best position player in the entire draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: Really?!? Do you not remember how the Giants beat the Pats (twice)? Remember the Broncos a couple of years ago? They won a Super Bowl with elite pass rush and terrible QB play. QB pressure is the 2nd most important thing and the Browns could have an ELITE pass rush this year. It doesn’t “mean nothing” without a QB. That’s the biggest overreaction. That’s what a team desperate for a franchise QB would say but it would be wrong. Ask the Colts and Packers what it’s like to have a QB and no rush. It isn’t hard to get it right at the top of the draft. It’s 50/50 or better. Who was the last QB picked at 1 that failed? Russell over a decade ago? If you don’t have enough confidence to get it right you should be in charge of that decision. Eli Manning as a "terrible" QB the years they won seems like a serious stretch. 1 minute ago, kdiggz said: That's incorrect. High 1st round picks are usually about a 50/50 shot. Give me 50% odds on the lottery and I'll play every day. Also when you spend a high 1st on a QB you expect them to play right away. So now you have 2 high picks and ones a backup. Waste of a pick when you could have had the best position player in the entire draft Exactly. And I'd rather have two tickets with those odds and guarantee myself the outcome than one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Eli Manning as a "terrible" QB the years they won seems like a serious stretch. Exactly. And I'd rather have two tickets with those odds and guarantee myself the outcome than one. two tickets still doesnt guarantee it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Eli Manning as a "terrible" QB the years they won seems like a serious stretch. Exactly. And I'd rather have two tickets with those odds and guarantee myself the outcome than one. Re-read what I wrote and tell me where I said Eli Manning was terrible... 3 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Eli Manning as a "terrible" QB the years they won seems like a serious stretch. Exactly. And I'd rather have two tickets with those odds and guarantee myself the outcome than one. You also aren’t guaranteeing the outcome. A coin flip is 50/50 but two flips doesn’t mean 1 heads and 1 tails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Really?!? Do you not remember how the Giants beat the Pats (twice)? Remember the Broncos a couple of years ago? They won a Super Bowl with elite pass rush and terrible QB play. QB pressure is the 2nd most important thing and the Browns could have an ELITE pass rush this year. It doesn’t “mean nothing” without a QB. That’s the biggest overreaction. That’s what a team desperate for a franchise QB would say but it would be wrong. Ask the Colts and Packers what it’s like to have a QB and no rush. It isn’t hard to get it right at the top of the draft. It’s 50/50 or better. Who was the last QB picked at 1 that failed? Russell over a decade ago? If you don’t have enough confidence to get it right you should be in charge of that decision. Big plays in the passing game and hitting quarterbacks a lot............if my team does that I'm entertained and the record will be good too. The only problem is that sometimes DL in college disappear in the pros. It's a want-to position and if that isn't there they can become invisible. Bradley Chubb is a nice player but would be a later first rounder in many past drafts. Davenport is on par with Kony Ealy on the hoof but probably goes in round 1 ....maybe early..... this year. Next years pass rush draft should be sick. Edited April 24, 2018 by BADOLBILZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said: two tickets still doesnt guarantee it Right. But it dramatically increases your odds. 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Re-read what I wrote and tell me where I said Eli Manning was terrible... "Do you not remember how the Giants beat the Pats (twice)? Remember the Broncos a couple of years ago? They won a Super Bowl with elite pass rush and terrible QB play." What am I missing here? You said they won with "elite pass rush" and "terrible QB play". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said: Big plays in the passing game and hitting quarterbacks a lot............if my team does that I'm entertained and the record will be good too. The only problem is that sometimes DL in college disappear in the pros. It's a want-to position and if that isn't there they can become invisible. Bradley Chubb is a nice player but would be a later first rounder in many past drafts. Davenport is on par with Kony Ealy on the hoof but probably goes in round 1 ....maybe early..... this year. Next years pass rush draft should be sick. The 2019 EDGE class has the potential to be ridiculous. Some of those combine athletic testing scores will be absurd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 26 minutes ago, mead107 said: I think I read into the conversation that the Bills are very hot on R F Brother, you get an "A" for consistency!! Love it....sell out to the cause!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 57 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: 4-24: Ian Rapoport on One Bills Live (8:23) Rapoport - Brandon Beane and Dave Gettleman know each other well and they could get a deal done quickly for the 2nd pick, but I don't think the Giants want to fall back that far. #Bills #NFLDraft Rapoport - I would be surprised if Darnold or Mayfield are available after the 4th pick. The other quarterbacks I can see being available. Allen and Rosen are guys who could fall, and I can see the #Bills making moves up for them. #NFLDraft Rapoport - If you go through the reports, you can put almost every quarterback at the 1st pick to the Browns. No one really knows. Mayfield shouldn't be ruled out for the #1 pick, but is he the guy? No. #NFLDraft Allen is going number one and Mayfield is the guy. Rapoport is a sleeper agent for Cleveland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Right. But it dramatically increases your odds. "Do you not remember how the Giants beat the Pats (twice)? Remember the Broncos a couple of years ago? They won a Super Bowl with elite pass rush and terrible QB play." What am I missing here? You said they won with "elite pass rush" and "terrible QB play". The Broncos, they won with the corpse of Peyton Manning and Osweiler. Eli played well in the playoffs. That team never wins a Super Bowl without the rush. That NASCAR package gave Brady fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 21 minutes ago, jrober38 said: What exactly are you basing this off? It's never been done. How can anyone be convinced it won't work when there's zero precedent for it. Dude, first round picks are a lottery ticket too. The guy they pick #1 overall probably isn't going to work out. I don't see any harm in doubling down as a franchise who hasn't had a competent QB in over 25 years. If I'm flipping a coin, and I absolutely have to flip a "heads", I'd want 2 flips of the coin instead of 1. It would be the worst most hostile QB competition ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: The 2019 EDGE class has the potential to be ridiculous. Some of those combine athletic testing scores will be absurd. That’s exactly why I want to preserve the 2019 1st. I even like the interior guys. Give me Bosa or Lawrence or Oliver or Gary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 32 minutes ago, nucci said: how would both turn out....do you play them both...taking QBs at 1 & 4 would not be smart The same way New England does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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