BuffaloRebound Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 27 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I agree, but the post you respond to is one of those who thinks because all the top qbs have flaws, one can be indifferent as to which of them one ends up with. Not indifferent, but I’m not trading three 1st rounders plus more for Darnold when I can get Rosen, Mayfield or Allen for pick 12 and pick 53. Or even stay put and get Jackson at 12. We are getting one of those 5. None of those guys is can’t miss and people a lot smarter than me who do this for a living can’t come to any consensus.
BuffaloMatt Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: I think we are targeting 1. If Denver is willing to sell #5, there's no reason we can't package 5 and other picks to go to 1, allow Cleveland Mayfield or Allen (or Rosen as a worst case) and Chubb or Barkley. Heck, if they don't like the 4th QB if the Giants go QB or trade, they can just take Chubb and Barkley, then draft one of the later QBs. I think we've decided #1 (Darnold) is #1 by a margin and are willing to give it up to make it happen. Unfortunately, Cleveland wants him too.
BuffaloMatt Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 4 hours ago, Dr. Who said: Unlikely they are four failed qbs. If you are waiting for a can't miss, perfect qb, you are going to wait a long, long time. And even then, unless you are picking 1 overall, you will wait forever. Historically, top of the draft has a 50% hit rate for qb. It's considerably lower later on. This is potentially a very strong qb draft. Bills set themselves up to take a shot and it's time to do so. Radical pessimism about the position is a prescription for continual irrelevancy. selling the farm for 50%. You lose half the time.
Dr. Who Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Not indifferent, but I’m not trading three 1st rounders plus more for Darnold when I can get Rosen, Mayfield or Allen for pick 12 and pick 53. Or even stay put and get Jackson at 12. We are getting one of those 5. None of those guys is can’t miss and people a lot smarter than me who do this for a living can’t come to any consensus. If they like Darnold (or someone else) much more than the others, they will trade up high if they can and that will be expensive. Otherwise, a trade to 6 ought to garner one of the top 4. I think Jackson is there at 12. I like Darnold and Allen best and would trade up for either. Trading up for Allen in particular is an unpopular position, of course. 1 minute ago, BuffaloMatt said: selling the farm for 50%. You lose half the time. It's potentially a regime risking decision. The flip is if you hit, you're in cotton for a decade or more.
zevo Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 1 hour ago, sven233 said: It would be an absolute disaster if we choose Allen over Rosen. Just brutal..... And you know this how...please enlighten us
BuffaloMatt Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: If they like Darnold (or someone else) much more than the others, they will trade up high if they can and that will be expensive. Otherwise, a trade to 6 ought to garner one of the top 4. I think Jackson is there at 12. I like Darnold and Allen best and would trade up for either. Trading up for Allen in particular is an unpopular position, of course. It's potentially a regime risking decision. The flip is if you hit, you're in cotton for a decade or more. I truly love this sh*t! 1
sven233 Posted April 24, 2018 Author Posted April 24, 2018 51 minutes ago, zevo said: And you know this how...please enlighten us Because I have eyes...... Look, I have said all along Josh Allen may end up being the best QB in the class. He has tools that nobody else has. However, it's about reaching the potential you have and I don't think the physical tools will make up for the deficiencies he has. He is slow to read the field, is constantly late on throws, misses throws that should be routine, bails out of the pocket too early, and doesn't throw with anticipation on a regular basis. Can some of this be fixed? For sure..... But he has a ton of issues and for him to overcome all of them would be a huge ask. There are other QBs in the draft that all have faults, but the issues the other top guys have are fewer and thus may be easier to correct. Never once in his football career, from high school through college, has he even come close to having a 60% completion percentage. Not only has he struggled against good teams, but he has failed to dominate against lesser competition. I'm sorry, but if you are drafting a guy in the top 5 of the NFL draft, and he has NEVER dominated a season, or even a game, something is wrong. He has the natural God given physical talent that other QBs dream about having..... It's everything else that is the problem. He could work through all of these concerns, but I am ready to have some other team take that chance and find out whether he can or not. Josh Allen could be an all time great......but he has the biggest bust potential in the class in my eyes. Rosen, Darnold, or Mayfield are much better prospects. Josh Allen will take a year or 2, at least, before he is ready to see the field, if he ever gets there at all. If the Bills draft him, I will support him as a Bills fan as we all will, but from the moment he is drafted, the clock starts ticking on Beane every day Allen isn't the starting QB of the Bills.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: Galko update: http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/nfl-draft-rumors-news-2018-josh-rosen-baker-mayfield-seahawks-patriots/we39wjkoszkh1865uxzb1c7fp Mitchell Trubisky last year was a target of the Bills in a possible trade. Buffalo instead opted not to mortgage its future to move up and get him; it traded down and kicked the can down the road. This year, the Bills’ intention of drafting a quarterback has been clear since the middle of the regular season. They have evaluated Josh Rosen and Josh Allen, and I believe both have been considered throughout the process. Almost everyone I’ve spoken with believes the Bills will find a way to draft Allen. Assuming he doesn't go first overall, they could do it with a trade up to No. 2, No. 4, No. 5 or No. 6. Final quarterback-team predictions: Darnold-Browns, Mayfield-Jets, Allen-Bills, Rosen-Chargers, Jackson-Saints, Lauletta-Ravens, Rudolph-Jaguars, White-Dolphins, Falk-Patriots, Benkert-Bengals, Marshall’s Chase Litton-Cardinals, Memphis’ Riley Ferguson-Steelers, Toledo’s Logan Woodside-Titans, Ohio State’s JT Barrett-Seahawks, Texas Tech’s Nic Shimonk-Colts, Idaho’s Matt Linehan-Cowboys. I think he's full of ****. He is the only one who believes that. And, why are the Bills telling him anyway?
Domdab99 Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 If Josh Allen succeeds, his GM will have outsmarted basically all regular humans and the entirety of math itself
DefenseWins Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 1 hour ago, BuffaloMatt said: selling the farm for 50%. You lose half the time. And the Bills have been losing for the best part of the last 20 YEARS... So????
Bleedingreennc Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 Looks like there is going to be a bidding war to move up, apparently the Cardinals are going to make a push to get up as high as possible.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) My guess is the Bills were hot after a top 4 pick until Denver backed out of the QB race. They are ok with Darnold, Mayfield, or Rosen. Acuracy and timing are skills they want their franchise QB to have, they said so when they drafted Peterman. Eliminates Allen. Also want a traditional pocket passer, Eliminates Jackson. With Denver out of the QB race they turned their sites to picks 6-10. That's where they get their QB. It's either Rosen or Mayfield, whatever QB the Jets pass on. Honestly I can't decide which is the better prospect so either one is fine with me. Bills must watch for Arizona, but word is they want Allen. Edited April 24, 2018 by TheTruthHurts
Roundybout Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 17 minutes ago, Bleedingreennc said: Looks like there is going to be a bidding war to move up, apparently the Cardinals are going to make a push to get up as high as possible. How much do the Cards have to offer anyways? They would have to offer a lot next year to match anything close to what we can, IMO.
TheFunPolice Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 Beane putting out smoke to flush out whoever wants Allen. They get desperate, trade up and grab Allen, which accomplishes a few things: 1) a competitor over spends 2) a QB needy team partners up with a QB you don't want anyway, leaving you one less competitor for your guy 3) you gauge what is going on
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: How much do the Cards have to offer anyways? They would have to offer a lot next year to match anything close to what we can, IMO. 1 pick in each round this year + a comp pick in the 3rd round.
thebandit27 Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 2 hours ago, BuffaloMatt said: selling the farm for 50%. You lose half the time. So what? At worst, you're picking a QB again in 2020. Big deal. I can't believe that after all we've seen, there are fans that support the "let's be passive and end up with the guy that nobody else wanted" approach of the last 50 years. 3
TheFunPolice Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: So what? At worst, you're picking a QB again in 2020. Big deal. I can't believe that after all we've seen, there are fans that support the "let's be passive and end up with the guy that nobody else wanted" approach of the last 50 years. This X 1000 UNLESS Beane truly loves Rudolph or Jackson and knows he can sit there at 12 and just take either. Then it makes sense.
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 If Cleveland takes Mayfield I think the Giants take Darnold and the Jets take Rosen. If this does happen then I'm taking Luke Falk in the 3rd rd. With all the game film that I have watched on these QB's I'm 98% sure Mayfield, Darnold and Rosen go 1,2 and 3. I guess this is the price we pay for breaking the playoff streak.
BuffaloMatt Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 3 hours ago, DefenseWins said: And the Bills have been losing for the best part of the last 20 YEARS... So???? I guess probability is on our side after last year. Fire away! 3 hours ago, thebandit27 said: So what? At worst, you're picking a QB again in 2020. Big deal. I can't believe that after all we've seen, there are fans that support the "let's be passive and end up with the guy that nobody else wanted" approach of the last 50 years. No. Not passive. Smart. That's all I am asking. Yes, I want a QB, but I also want a team. Brady Quinn might have had a HOF career, just saying, team is important and look at A. Luck while we are at it. Tough to be a QB with a bottom tier team, Bradford. . . . . .
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