ndirish1978 Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 On 4/23/2018 at 10:50 PM, FeelingOnYouboty said: Pretty clear Darnold and Mayfield are going 1 and 3 and then next QB is preference between Rosen and Allen. Expand Not pretty clear at all. If you're a GM and you base your moves off of ESPN "sources" you should be fired immediately.
FeelingOnYouboty Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 On 4/23/2018 at 10:51 PM, ndirish1978 said: Not pretty clear at all. If you're a GM and you base your moves off of ESPN "sources" you should be fired immediately. Expand All these GM's talk to each other. They have an idea of where everyone is leaning.
Boatdrinks Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) On 4/23/2018 at 10:50 PM, ndirish1978 said: That's why I just said, you have an obligation to trade up to a pick that will secure you one of the QBs you want. You cannot sit around and be reactive. Expand This is also assuming no one will move off their spots. Totally possible. CLE not moving off 1. Giants stay at 2 , Jets are obviously staying put. CLE will get Barkley or Chubb guaranteed at 4 so that's out . 3 QBs gone and maybe they don't want the 4th guy at all. Don't like him. This could happen. Edited April 23, 2018 by Boatdrinks
ndirish1978 Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 On 4/23/2018 at 10:53 PM, Boatdrinks said: This is also assuming no one will move off their spots. Totalll possible. CLE not moving off 1. Giants stay at 2 , Jets are obviously staying put. CLE will get Barkley or Chubb guaranteed at 4 so that's out . 3 QBs gone and maybe they don't want the 4th guy at all. Don't like him. This could happen. Expand You're right, it's entirely possible they already screwed themselves by letting the Jests move up to 3. 1
Boatdrinks Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) On 4/23/2018 at 10:54 PM, ndirish1978 said: You're right, it's entirely possible they already screwed themselves by letting the Jests move up to 3. Expand That's not what happened , though. If anything they screwed themselves by their team outperforming it's talent level and making the playoffs. Jets were at 6. They wouldn't let the Bills jump ahead of them at any cost. They were already in position to do this, Bills couldn't do anything about the Jets all the way back at 12. If the Jets were willing to pony up what was demanded, the pick was theirs. Edited April 23, 2018 by Boatdrinks
FLFan Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 On 4/23/2018 at 10:17 PM, BuffaloRush said: No Jay is spot on here. The Bills have gone out their way to show that Russ is not involved in football decision. Russ himself as well. Expand No, he is not. The top draft choice, especially this one, is in part a business decision as well as a football decision. No NFL team would have their organization's top executive out of the room when discussing final choices. It does not mean his opinion carries any more weight, or even as much, as the football guys, but it would be naive to think he would not be in the room.
ndirish1978 Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 On 4/23/2018 at 10:58 PM, Boatdrinks said: That's not what happened , though. If anything they screwed themselves by their team outperforming it's talent level and making the playoffs. Jets were at 6. They wouldn't let the Bills jump ahead of them at any cost. They were already in position to do this, Bills couldn't do anything about the Jets all the way back at 12. If the Jets were willing to pony up what was demanded, the pick was theirs. Expand You're talking in circles. First, you say there is no way to know which QB will be picked, then you set up a scenario where no one will trade with us. Like I already said. If you are ok with any of the top 4, you have an obligation to try as hard as you can to trade into 4 or 5. If you only like 3 of the top 4, then you have to try and move up to 2 or 1 and give whatever it takes to get those picks. If you only liked 3 QBs are unable to trade to 2, then you shot yourself in the foot not offering more picks for #3 from a team that has already stated they're fine moving pack to collect more picks. You're setting up assumptions and knocking them down to make your point, there is absolutely zero evidence that the Bills couldn't have moved up to 3 by overpaying for that pick considering they have more draft capital than the Jets. In fact, by stating they'd like to move back yet again, the Colts have shown that you're assumption is wrong and that they never had a limit for how far back they were willing to go.
Boatdrinks Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) On 4/23/2018 at 11:10 PM, ndirish1978 said: You're talking in circles. First, you say there is no way to know which QB will be picked, then you set up a scenario where no one will trade with us. Like I already said. If you are ok with any of the top 4, you have an obligation to try as hard as you can to trade into 4 or 5. If you only like 3 of the top 4, then you have to try and move up to 2 or 1 and give whatever it takes to get those picks. If you only liked 3 QBs are unable to trade to 2, then you shot yourself in the foot not offering more picks for #3 from a team that has already stated they're fine moving pack to collect more picks. You're setting up assumptions and knocking them down to make your point, there is absolutely zero evidence that the Bills couldn't have moved up to 3 by overpaying for that pick considering they have more draft capital than the Jets. In fact, by stating they'd like to move back yet again, the Colts have shown that you're assumption is wrong and that they never had a limit for how far back they were willing to go. Expand It's not hard to figure out. They said they were willing to consider another move almost immediately afterward. The Colts were going to use the Bills interest in 3 to hold the Jets hostage for picks. The Colts weren't leaving those on the table. Not when they were only moving to 6 and could get more picks in another move if they felt like it. Would they have taken the Bills entire draft? Probably, but no GM is offering that. Bills capital is not as good as the 6th overall pick. As Yogi would say , not " rocket surgery" going on here. The Jets were ahead of the Bills and therefore were the ones doing " the letting" you referred to. You can't " let" a team that's already far ahead of you do anything. It's out of your control. Also, it's a month later and quite possible the Colts feel differently about what player they can get and where. If your assumption is that you would give up your entire draft and then some to coax a reluctant team out of spots 1-4 , it's safe to say a GM wouldn't keep their job long if they made such a deal. It's just a ridiculous notion as it's almost never been done. For good reason. Edited April 23, 2018 by Boatdrinks
purple haze Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 On 4/23/2018 at 10:31 PM, ndirish1978 said: You simply cannot keep reiterating the fact that "this is a QB-driven league" and then stand pat while the top 3 QBs are taken off the board, especially when you have a division rival taking one of those guys. If Beane doesn't trade up he's signing his own pink slip. If you're acknowledging that QB is the most important position on the field you can't take the "sit at 12 and take who comes to us" position. I don't care if you overpay, the only excuse for not trading up is "we offered them the farm and they didn't want to trade." That may happen at 1-3, but there is no excuse not to trade up to 4-6 when you know there are several teams not in the top 10 looking for QBs. Expand It could be the case that Beane's top 3 does not match the top 3 projected by fans or insiders. 1
4merper4mer Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 On 4/23/2018 at 10:31 PM, ndirish1978 said: You simply cannot keep reiterating the fact that "this is a QB-driven league" and then stand pat while the top 3 QBs are taken off the board, especially when you have a division rival taking one of those guys. If Beane doesn't trade up he's signing his own pink slip. If you're acknowledging that QB is the most important position on the field you can't take the "sit at 12 and take who comes to us" position. I don't care if you overpay, the only excuse for not trading up is "we offered them the farm and they didn't want to trade." That may happen at 1-3, but there is no excuse not to trade up to 4-6 when you know there are several teams not in the top 10 looking for QBs. Expand Delusional. If Cle, NYG, NYJ, and Den all want QBs and Cle feels they need an elite talent at 4 the there is NOTHING Beane cadonor could have done. Pink slip my behind. On 4/23/2018 at 11:10 PM, ndirish1978 said: You're talking in circles. First, you say there is no way to know which QB will be picked, then you set up a scenario where no one will trade with us. Like I already said. If you are ok with any of the top 4, you have an obligation to try as hard as you can to trade into 4 or 5. If you only like 3 of the top 4, then you have to try and move up to 2 or 1 and give whatever it takes to get those picks. If you only liked 3 QBs are unable to trade to 2, then you shot yourself in the foot not offering more picks for #3 from a team that has already stated they're fine moving pack to collect more picks. You're setting up assumptions and knocking them down to make your point, there is absolutely zero evidence that the Bills couldn't have moved up to 3 by overpaying for that pick considering they have more draft capital than the Jets. In fact, by stating they'd like to move back yet again, the Colts have shown that you're assumption is wrong and that they never had a limit for how far back they were willing to go. Expand Except you're making up crap. Indy stated they wanted to stay in the top 10. If they have changed their mind since then, there is still nothing nothing Beane could have done at the time. If Denver wants a QB then Indy gave up only one spot...Cleveland's 4 spot, in moving to 6. Giving up one spot to get 3 2nds. What could Beane have done to beat that? Not a blessed thing. And your anger doesn't change that.
ndirish1978 Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 On 4/24/2018 at 12:12 AM, 4merper4mer said: Delusional. If Cle, NYG, NYJ, and Den all want QBs and Cle feels they need an elite talent at 4 the there is NOTHING Beane cadonor could have done. Pink slip my behind. Except you're making up crap. Indy stated they wanted to stay in the top 10. If they have changed their mind since then, there is still nothing nothing Beane could have done at the time. If Denver wants a QB then Indy gave up only one spot...Cleveland's 4 spot, in moving to 6. Giving up one spot to get 3 2nds. What could Beane have done to beat that? Not a blessed thing. And your anger doesn't change that. Expand Meh, your opinion isn't worth the pixels it takes up on my screen. FTR your statement about Indy is completely false, they already said they were open to trading back. I wouldn't expect you to state actual facts or employ logic though, why start now.
4merper4mer Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 On 4/24/2018 at 1:41 AM, ndirish1978 said: Meh, your opinion isn't worth the pixels it takes up on my screen. FTR your statement about Indy is completely false, they already said they were open to trading back. I wouldn't expect you to state actual facts or employ logic though, why start now. Expand After the Colts trade with the Jets they stated that they wanted to stay top 10. If that changed weeks later Beane's options are limited to his ability to create a time machine. waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 On 4/23/2018 at 4:30 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: 4-23: Brandon Beane on One Bills Live (20:35) #Bills general manager Brandon Beane joins @OneBillsLive next on WGR! Tune in: Beane - there are a lot of QBs that aren't even being talked about in the first round that have potential to be good QBs. #Bills Beane - it's a quarterback league. I've said that 100 times. These guys have been identified by a lot of people, and all of them have shown that they belong. They all have flaws, but it's about what flaws are you willing to deal with. #Bills Beane - the last guy that was the clear, consensus #1 QB was Andrew Luck. Since then, it hasn't been the case. You can ask 32 teams who's the #1, #2, or #3 guy and the variations would be different. #Bills Beane - We've identified each player that we're considering. We've pointed out their strengths and weaknesses, and then if we draft a certain guy, we have a plan. #Bills Expand Factual gleaning: Beane says the reports that the Bills have a trade outlined with the Giants are not true Disturbing news: how involved the Pegulas are in the process
26CornerBlitz Posted April 24, 2018 Author Posted April 24, 2018 On 4/24/2018 at 2:48 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Factual gleaning: Beane says the reports that the Bills have a trade outlined with the Giants are not true Disturbing news: how involved the Pegulas are in the process Expand True or not he was going to throw cold water on the rumor and the Pegulas involvement is perfectly fine within the parameters that he explained as any QB will effectively be repersenting them. 1
26CornerBlitz Posted April 24, 2018 Author Posted April 24, 2018 QB or not QB is not even a question!
Inigo Montoya Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) On 4/23/2018 at 5:03 PM, LeGOATski said: Well, they definitely have them ranked #1-#6. But, that doesn't mean they're picky. It gives off the impression that they're willing to settle. Expand You don't want to look desperate heading into the draft if you are wanting to move up and grab someone. Might make it more expensive to do so. If a franchise is willing to hire a private investigator to snoop on prospective draft selections, you can bet your butt they also have people collecting every scrap of intelligence on what the other teams are saying publicly (and privately if they can get it), they know every single draft visit for every team, they know who you talked to at the Senior Bowl, who you talked to at the Combine, they are talking up agents to see what they may have heard from teams about their clients, they are talking to the college coaches to see what they have heard. They are scouring the social media accounts of the players and their family members and college room mates, girl friends and team mates. Anything to give you an advantage on draft night. It is like the CIA vs KGB right now in the NFL. I'm so glad the draft is almost here, this waiting and endless speculation is stressful... Edited April 24, 2018 by Inigo Montoya
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 On 4/23/2018 at 5:18 PM, PIZ said: Expand Nooo not the Brandon !?!?
billspro Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) On 4/24/2018 at 2:48 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Factual gleaning: Beane says the reports that the Bills have a trade outlined with the Giants are not true Disturbing news: how involved the Pegulas are in the process Expand Beane - there are a lot of QBs that aren't even being talked about in the first round that have potential to be good QBs. #Bills I found this to be the most interesting quote. It would not surprise me if they were in love with Mike White early in round 2. Edited April 24, 2018 by billspro 1
Heavy Kevi Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 On 4/23/2018 at 6:37 PM, 2003Contenders said: I wonder if the comment about all of the QBs having flaws is a way of prepping the fans for not trading up and drafting someone like Jackson, Rudolph or Faulk with a later pick. Expand Or... ...trying to convince other gm's that he isn't desperate, so he doesn't have to give up 47 picks.
purple haze Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 On 4/24/2018 at 2:48 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Factual gleaning: Beane says the reports that the Bills have a trade outlined with the Giants are not true Disturbing news: how involved the Pegulas are in the process Expand Why is that disturbing? What business do you know of where the owner has no involvement or say in the product that they put forward and pay money for?
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