Anyone else besides me NOW wish we had given up a lot to get to 3?

[JaCrispy]

4 minutes ago, D521646 said:

No, it means that the Jets love at least two, possibly 3 QB's equally..  2 if they are gambling that the Giants are not selecting one..  I can see valuing 2 QB's but NOT 3 equally.. 

 

Tim-

Not to be rude, but just because that’s what you see doesn’t mean that’s what the Jets see...everyone evaluates differently...so if that’s what they think then the move was perfect for them.

Edited April 23, 2018 by JaCrispy

[D521646]

Just now, JaCrispy said:

Not to be rude, but just because that’s what you see doesn’t mean that’s what the Jets see

Not being rude, this is an opinion forum, however, for what you said to be true, logic dictates that the Jets would be in love with 3 QB's equally, - or- like I said, at least two, gambling that the Giants were puffing..

 

Tim-

[JaCrispy]

I disagree...they may like them equally but they don’t have to...they could just like them similarly, where it doesn’t matter to them which they get...they would still be happy... they could feel the drop off isn’t that much from one to the next.

Edited April 23, 2018 by JaCrispy

[Keukasmallie]

Stay where they ae in draft order, take a QB at #12 if one they want is there, use the draft to fill holes in the team roster.

[oldmanfan]

11 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

It's been talked about numerous times, the colts didn't want to move out of the top10 when the trade happened. 

No blinking happened.

The Jets had an asset we couldn't offer, a pick in the top 10.

Could it bite them in the rump if we get to #2?

Maybe, but that's only if they had a specific top2 QBs and miss them both.

They probably have 3 guys rated roughly equally, and rolled the dice that nobody would leap frog them/Giants don't take a QB, giving them their pick of 2 out of top 3.

I agree about the Colts.  They did not want to fall out of the top ten, so our offer wasn't attractive enough.  But I would say the Jets blinked if they have a guy they really want.  Because that guy may be gone.

 

The more I try to read the tea leaves the more I think the Bills do not necessarily think that there is one guy in this draft that is the can't miss QB they have to have.  I think they'd be really happy with any of the top 4, and fairly happy with anyone in the top 6.  So they may not move at all.

[JaCrispy]

Jets wouldn’t have made the trade if they didn’t like 3 guys imo.

[BillsFan4]

Just now, JaCrispy said:

If I have said it once I have said it a thousand times- it doesn’t matter that the Jets don’t know who is going 1 & 2...obviously they like 3 QBs, which makes their trade up an excellent one- period.

Sure, I guess. If you believe there is no difference between the top 3 QBs and that each one of them is worth 4 top 49 picks (I don't, but I am not a professional scout). 

 

How many drafts have there been over the last 40+ years where 3 QBs at the top of the draft have been worth that type of trade up? 1983. 2004. I can't think of any more off hand. And only in 2004 did the best 3 QBs go in the top 10, and as the first 3 QBs off the board. In 1983 three QBs went in between Kelly and Marino (Blackledge went before Kelly, and Eason + O'Brien went before Marino)

 

Odds are are pretty damn high against the top 3 QBs in this class being worth 4 top picks, and against the best 3 QBs being the first 3 off the board. 

[JaCrispy]

None of this matters because if the Jets consider it good value that’s all that matters...if they end up with a franchise qb then it will be a steal...plus they only gave up 2nd round picks... not like it was 3 first rounders.

Edited April 23, 2018 by JaCrispy

[gobills1212]

10 minutes ago, Keukasmallie said:

Stay where they ae in draft order, take a QB at #12 if one they want is there, use the draft to fill holes in the team roster.

It blows me away people still feel this way... 

 

[Keukasmallie]

1 minute ago, gobills1212 said:

It blows me away people still feel this way... 

 

 

Back at cha'

[BillsFan4]

Just now, JaCrispy said:

Jets wouldn’t have made the trade if they didn’t like 3 guys imo.

I agree. 

 

I read that they are comfortable with any of the top 4 QBs in this draft. 

 

I also read that Maccagnan sold Woody Johnson on doing whatever it took to get one of the top 4 QBs in this class over a year ago. There is no way that they had properly scouted and vetted those QBs when they put this plan into action over a year ago. 

 

That is another reason why I say the trade up to 3 was a desperate move. I feel that Maccagnan's job likely depended on landing one of the top 4 QBs in this draft class. 

 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

11 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Jets wouldn’t have made the trade if they didn’t like 3 guys imo.

I'm sure they like 3 but I'm still praying that Darnold and Mayfield go 1 and 2 and the Jets are left with a ? at QB.

[gobills1212]

8 minutes ago, Keukasmallie said:

 

Back at cha'

You have watched the last 20 yrs, correct?

And you cant believe people are for trading up? 

That's even sillier than saying they need to stay at 12!

Edited April 23, 2018 by gobills1212

[CountDorkula]

I'd feel a hell of a lot better knowing the Bills were at 3. 

 

This team desperately needs a QB, without one, its just a revolving door of GMs, coaches and players. 

[JaCrispy]

8 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

I agree. 

 

I read that they are comfortable with any of the top 4 QBs in this draft. 

 

I also read that Maccagnan sold Woody Johnson on doing whatever it took to get one of the top 4 QBs in this class over a year ago. There is no way that they had properly scouted and vetted those QBs when they put this plan into action over a year ago. 

 

That is another reason why I say the trade up to 3 was a desperate move. I feel that Maccagnan's job likely depended on landing one of the top 4 QBs in this draft class. 

 

Interesting 

[The Red King]

The Bills and Jets were not dealing from position of equality.  The Bills could not "match" the Jets, as they did not have the #6 to offer.  If the Colts didn't want a QB it's highly likely the player they'd have nabbed at three will still be there at six.  If so, the Colts just got all those picks from the Jets effectively for free.  Brilliant, and simply not something the Bills could offer.

 

As for the trade itself, the Jets overpayed.  They've panicked this offseason, loading up on QBs and trading away their future for yet another one.  They're throwing darts at a dartboard and praying something sticks.  They overpayed, and during a draft where there isn't a clear cut top QB prospect.  They paid too much and pulled the trigger too soon.  Beene has a plan, and he's not about to blow all our picks carelessly.  Trust the process and don't panic.  If you don't like what you see in the draft, then consider panicking.  Personally, I'm happy to finally feel like we have a GM who has a plan, rather then just impulse shopping like we have been for a decade or two.

[BuffaloBillyG]

35 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Nope...their move up was brilliant imo because look at the situation the bills are in...no matter how u try to spin it, it is just jealousy, plain and simple... but I don’t blame u for being jealous- I am too... but I’m not going to pretend it was a bad move just because it wasn’t the Bills that got the pick.

It's not jealousy in the least. Yes, at the end of the day it will likely work out for them and that's super. They will get someone they want at a higher price then if they stood still and watched the draft unfold and make a deal according to what happened.

 

In all likelihood, they will come away with Baker Mayfield imo. And that's a good return. Then we all get to see how the ensuing Baker Vs NY Media plays out. That should be entertaining to watch. 

[papazoid]

why worry....

 

according to many pundits the bills will have the 1st overall pick in 2019 draft

[SouthNYfan]

30 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I agree about the Colts.  They did not want to fall out of the top ten, so our offer wasn't attractive enough.  But I would say the Jets blinked if they have a guy they really want.  Because that guy may be gone.

 

The more I try to read the tea leaves the more I think the Bills do not necessarily think that there is one guy in this draft that is the can't miss QB they have to have.  I think they'd be really happy with any of the top 4, and fairly happy with anyone in the top 6.  So they may not move at all.

 

I don't disagree.

I think the Jets just said "well we need to get one of the top 3 guys, and if we sit at 6 we might not even get one of the top 4" so they went for it.

I liked their move for them.

It was a good move.

 

[ricojes]

1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said:

Ive asked this question a couple times already -

 

Can anyone name a team that has traded up to #3 that far in advance before the draft? (6 weeks). I can't name one. 

 

Theres a reason it's almost unheard of... 

 

I still think it was a somewhat reckless trade by the Jets. They have no clue what will happen at 1 and 2. They may have given up all that just to get QB 3 on their board. 

Are they really in love with 3 separate QBs in this draft? What are the chance 3 QBs in this class are worth that haul of picks? 

 

Seems like a desperate move by a desperate GM IMO. I'd much rather have my GM identify their guy, not take a random shot at any one of 3 QBs. 

 

 

This is my feeling exactly.  At 3, you may get the 3rd player on your wish list.  Not worth that kind of risk.