The Red King Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 Let's see...we're talking the Browns. You trade up from #4 to #2, take a kicker with #1, punter with #2. ...teasing aside, the answer is completely dependent on how you feel about the QBs. If there is one guy you value well above the rest, you don't mess around, you nab him at #1 and see who's still on the board at #4. If you value several QBs about the same, feel reasonably confident one of them will still be there at #4 and see a non-QB you really want, you might nab them at #1 instead before the Giants potentially swipe them up first.
prissythecat Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 6 hours ago, ganesh said: Barkley will be there at #4. The Giants are not going to let go of an opportunity to draft a Franchise QB at #2. They may not get to that place again in several years. The Giants are going to load up for one final run with Eli imo. Will be a RB or pass rusher 9 hours ago, stuvian said: I'd take Saquon Barkley at #1. You'll still get a good QB at 4. There is no consensus #1 QB in this draft. All the Josh Allen hype doesn't change the fact that he's a project - the kind of which could ruin a GM. There's no telling which of the top 4 QBs will be a star. Allen is the least safe of these. Let's say that the Browns GM takes Rosen or Mayfield at 4 who goes on to have a career like Alex Smith or Phillip Rivers. That won't kill your career but whiffing on Allen at 1 would. You can't screw around with the #1 pick overall. It has to be a safe bet. Coming out with a HOF RB and a solid, occasional Pro Bowl QB is a very good draft. If i were Browns GM , I would follow some of the proposals from armchair GMs on TBD and use both 1st round picks on QBs . Double down to maximize chances of getting my franchise QB baby . Who cares about filling rest of roster . Good QB apparently makes trash look good
Epstein's Mother Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 10 hours ago, stuvian said: I'd take Saquon Barkley at #1. You'll still get a good QB at 4. There is no consensus #1 QB in this draft. All the Josh Allen hype doesn't change the fact that he's a project - the kind of which could ruin a GM. There's no telling which of the top 4 QBs will be a star. Allen is the least safe of these. Let's say that the Browns GM takes Rosen or Mayfield at 4 who goes on to have a career like Alex Smith or Phillip Rivers. That won't kill your career but whiffing on Allen at 1 would. You can't screw around with the #1 pick overall. It has to be a safe bet. Coming out with a HOF RB and a solid, occasional Pro Bowl QB is a very good draft. Why would the Browns allow the Giants and Jets to determine who their potential franchise QB is going to be? As a GM you are charged with making decisions that effect the trajectory of the franchise. Waiting to pick a QB at #4 is a weak move.
Your Brown Eye Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 9 hours ago, NewEra said: Or you could take the QB that you have rated #1 and possibly get Barkley at 4. Get your #1 Qb and trade up to #2 and get Barkley. Or get your #1 QB, Chubb at 4 and draft Michel, Guice, Jones or Penny who could also be a HoF RBs. Point being, get the QB you like most, don’t let other teams dictate the future of your franchise when you have it sitting right in your hands. Drafting Barkley would be a massive mistake imo. Not because the other QBs would fail, they could be better, but because the front office lacks the balls to make the biggest decision in their franchise history. If he has them all rated the same. Highly unlikely that is the case. I think that's what I would do too. QB @ #1, see what's at 4, if Chubb is there I guess I would be tempted to pair him up with their #1 from last year. That could be quite a quo. If Chubb is gone, I might even look at the ND guard too because it's the AFC north and you'll need to ground and pound in late November and December. I might be inclined to field offers to move down. Maybe try to fleece our Bills. And take a Roquan Smith or Tremaine Edmunds at 12. Maybe even get another LB in LVE or the thumper from Alabama at 22. Use whatever else I can get in terms of 2nd's and 3rd's to draft protection and weapons for the QB. I am a fan of Michel so I would be looking at him or Guice in the early 2nd.
YoloinOhio Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 He won’t. He’s never drafted an offensive skill position before the 3rd rd as a GM. His history is QB, DB, OT, DL in the 1st. I’m not a huge fan of him but i do believe in his strategy.
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 10 hours ago, stuvian said: I'd take Saquon Barkley at #1. You'll still get a good QB at 4. There is no consensus #1 QB in this draft. All the Josh Allen hype doesn't change the fact that he's a project - the kind of which could ruin a GM. There's no telling which of the top 4 QBs will be a star. Allen is the least safe of these. Let's say that the Browns GM takes Rosen or Mayfield at 4 who goes on to have a career like Alex Smith or Phillip Rivers. That won't kill your career but whiffing on Allen at 1 would. You can't screw around with the #1 pick overall. It has to be a safe bet. Coming out with a HOF RB and a solid, occasional Pro Bowl QB is a very good draft. Mayfield is who the Jets want, I'm banking on this being their pick at 3.
zevo Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 10 hours ago, anthonymario said: If i was the owner and you took Saquon Barkley at #1, I would fire you before you can make pick #4. This was funny...welcome to the board
apuszczalowski Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 10 hours ago, Augie said: Oh, Lordy! Take the best QB at #1, then trade down from #4 for more picks. You have a roster to build, so do it around a Franchise QB, and get more picks. A RB may give you 5 good years, a Franchise QB can give you 15 at the most important position in all of sports. You do realize they have a boat load of picks already. They need quality, not quantity. It's not as bad of a move as most people think cause if they were to do it, they walk away from the draft with the top player and either the 2nd or 3rd chosen QB in the draft. And according to most here, this is the greatest QB draft in modern history. A great RB will give you more then 5 good years. How many years has McCoy been in the league? How many years was Peterson leading the league in rushing? An average RB can give you 5+ years of good play. How many QBs outside of the Elite ones give you 15 years as a good starter?
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 If I were Browns GM.....I'd take Allen or Mayfield at 1. Mostly because it helps the Bills land one of the LA dudes to be our QB. Bring the surf boards and the babes! The Falls are great this time of year.
YoloinOhio Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, horned dogs said: If I were Browns GM.....I'd take Allen or Mayfield at 1. Mostly because it helps the Bills land one of the LA dudes to be our QB. Bring the surf boards and the babes! The Falls are great this time of year. Haha I need someone to make a meme of Rosen or Darnold surfing on the Falls asap 1
Augie Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 12 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: You do realize they have a boat load of picks already. They need quality, not quantity. It's not as bad of a move as most people think cause if they were to do it, they walk away from the draft with the top player and either the 2nd or 3rd chosen QB in the draft. And according to most here, this is the greatest QB draft in modern history. A great RB will give you more then 5 good years. How many years has McCoy been in the league? How many years was Peterson leading the league in rushing? An average RB can give you 5+ years of good play. How many QBs outside of the Elite ones give you 15 years as a good starter? I’m just not as in love with Barkley as many people are. I can’t see him as being worthy of the #1 pick. What’s more important, a QB or a RB? A great RB can do wonders, but you go nowhere without a great QB. THAT is priority #1, why not take that first? And you trade down because the Bills need to get to #4!!!
Saxum Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 10 hours ago, Bills Pimpin' said: I agree with the OP. If Dorsey has all QB's rated the same or if you have Allen as your #1, take Barkley at 1. There is a very good chance you get Allen at 4. Minimum you get one of the top 3. I think it is the smart play. If they didn't have #4 you have to go QB. If you have Darnold as your clear #1, you must take him at 1, he won't be there at 4. It would be very similar to what the Jets did except they gave up a ton to get possibly their 3rd choice QB. The Browns would get who most believe is the #1 player in the draft and be in the same position. Most on the board love the Jets move. "Most" on the board thought that the Barbarian's idea to trade starting DE for John Skelton was a good idea. That does NOT necessarily make it a good one. And I do not think IF they choose to use #1 on a QB they should use it on a RB but like everyone on the board NFL is not asking me for my advice. 10 hours ago, Augie said: Oh, Lordy! Take the best QB at #1, then trade down from #4 for more picks. You have a roster to build, so do it around a Franchise QB, and get more picks. A RB may give you 5 good years, a Franchise QB can give you 15 at the most important position in all of sports. If they trade down the goal should be picks NEXT and FOLLOWING years. Keep the momentum up so they always have extra picks.
Augie Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 21 minutes ago, Limeaid said: If they trade down the goal should be picks NEXT and FOLLOWING years. Keep the momentum up so they always have extra picks. Certainly not a bad approach. You get a bit of a premium by doing so, as well. Future picks are discounted but you know what? There’s a first round next year too, and next year will come! If a new regime has some relative job safety, it can be a great approach. They always have a ton of picks, they just need to chose and develop better.
YoloinOhio Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Augie said: Certainly not a bad approach. You get a bit of a premium by doing so, as well. Future picks are discounted but you know what? There’s a first round next year too, and next year will come! If a new regime has some relative job safety, it can be a great approach. They always have a ton of picks, they just need to chose and develop better. I read today that the Bills 1st next year will be considered higher value than 22 this year. Because they are likely starting a rookie QB and the pick is likely to be high, and 22 this year is considered cusp of 2nd rd. Fwiw, Beane may get more mileage out of next year’s first this year, and keep 22.
Dr. Who Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 Oh, c'mon. If you were the Browns' GM, you'd trade us the 1st pick for peanuts
PastorMKC Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 There would be a riot in Berea if Dorsey doesn't take a QB (Darnold) at #1 ...
Just Joshin' Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 I have hired many people over the years. It is rare that you find 4 equally qualified people who also fit the organization/culture. The Browns should not over analyze - draft who they think is the best QB.
Charlottebillsfan2 Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 You take your QB #1 and you are guaranteed to get Barkley or Chubb at 4. Why in the world would you do anything other then this?
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 I'd take Darnold at #1 and shop the #4 pick to see what I can get. Worst case I stay put and get Chubb or Fitzpatrick. 1
YoloinOhio Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I'd take Darnold at #1 and shop the #4 pick to see what I can get. Worst case I stay put and get Chubb or Fitzpatrick. I would trade from 4 to 12 and take Ward or Fitzpatrick at 12, then a LT at 22. Boom. Just filled your 3 biggest holes with 1st rounders. Edited April 23, 2018 by YoloinOhio
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