Sky Diver Posted April 23, 2018 Author Posted April 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: Quick question, the Bills defense was among the best in football when Flutie was QBing the Bills. Why were they behind so much? Staging heroic 4th quarter comebacks in combination with his autistic son was all part of Flutie's grand conspiracy to screw Johnson. Ingenious. 1
Saxum Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 On 4/22/2018 at 8:55 AM, Sky Diver said: I’m still bitter we traded for this bum and shafted Flutie. https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/08/rob_johnson_still_seems_upset_about_losing_buffalo_bills_qb_job_to_doug_flutie.amp Rob Johnson signing was the bad joke on us. Flutie signed an incentive based contract and hit every incentive. I wish we had more of those type contracts rather than the guaranteed contracts which often bust. Oh and Johnson's stats were impressive - injury stats.
Sky Diver Posted April 23, 2018 Author Posted April 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Rob Johnson signing was the bad joke on us. Flutie signed an incentive based contract and hit every incentive. I wish we had more of those type contracts rather than the guaranteed contracts which often bust. Oh and Johnson's stats were impressive - injury stats. $25 million contract for a 4th rd draft pick who had one successful start in 3 seasons. Plus we gave up a 1st and a 4th rd pick for him.
RoyBatty is alive Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 On 4/22/2018 at 8:24 AM, 4merper4mer said: Didn't read the link but the legend of Doug Flutie is false. He sucked. Flutie did suck. He won games because we had arguably the best defense in the Bills history one year set a franchise record low number of points. He had his one shot in the playoffs with the bills and fumbled the game away at the end on the five yard line. Flutie is the most wildly overrated (by fans) bills player of all time and it isnt even close. More importantly, it is long, long past due for Bills fans to get over it. 1 1
Sky Diver Posted April 23, 2018 Author Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Flutie did suck. He won games because we had arguably the best defense in the Bills history one year set a franchise record low number of points. He had his one shot in the playoffs with the bills and fumbled the game away at the end on the five yard line. Flutie is the most wildly overrated (by fans) bills player of all time and it isnt even close. More importantly, it is long, long past due for Bills fans to get over it. Flutie had a 70% winning percentage and Johnson had a 34.5% winning percentage. Flutie was 8 - 3 in 1998 and Johnson was 2 - 3. Flutie made the Pro-Bowl that year. Flutie was 10 - 5 in 1999. Flutie was 4 - 1 in 2000, Johnson was 4 - 7. Flutie was released after the 2000 season and the Bills went 3 - 13 in 2001. 1
phypon Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 Funny how people harp on "Flutie was a bad person and blah blah blah...". and that the players didn't like him. I also remember a lot of players calling Johnson a surfer dude that just sits by himself and is always playing video games. Johnson also turned off a lot of players. It goes both ways. With that said, I'd rather have a little Flutie than a big Johnson
Gugny Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 10 minutes ago, Nanker said: !@#$ Rob Johnson and the horse he rode in on. I think that was Yoenis Cespedes in the 2016 pre-season.
Epstein's Mother Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 3 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Not only did Johnson have an abysmal 34.5% winning percentage, he had the highest drop back to sack ratio in the NFL. The article shows that he has no self-awareness of just how bad he was. If he thinks he really though that he lost his starting job because of Flutie’s autistic son, he’s delusional. 2 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Rob Johnson career ended in 2003 at the age of 30. Flutie played until 2005 at the age of 43. 50 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Staging heroic 4th quarter comebacks in combination with his autistic son was all part of Flutie's grand conspiracy to screw Johnson. Ingenious. 24 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: $25 million contract for a 4th rd draft pick who had one successful start in 3 seasons. Plus we gave up a 1st and a 4th rd pick for him. 16 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Flutie had a 70% winning percentage and Johnson had a 34.5% winning percentage. Flutie was 8 - 3 in 1998 and Johnson was 2 - 3. Flutie made the Pro-Bowl that year. Flutie was 10 - 5 in 1999. Flutie was 4 - 1 in 2000, Johnson was 4 - 7. Flutie was released after the 2000 season and the Bills went 3 - 13 in 2001. Definitely got it now. Flutie > Johnson.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Epstein's Mother said: Definitely got it now. Flutie > Johnson. It's the mother of all necro-crusades. This guy, sky diver, is a piece of work. 2
Epstein's Mother Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, joesixpack said: It's the mother of all necro-crusades. This guy, sky diver, is a piece of work. Wasted passion.
Cynical Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 On 4/22/2018 at 9:52 AM, Sky Diver said: You appear to be forgetting a couple of critical elements of the Miami game. 1. Mounds fumbled away a near certain TD on the Miami 12 yrd line after a 65 yrd pass play. 2. Andre Reed bumped the referee after he was called down on Miami’s 1 yrd line and earned an ejection and a 15 yrd penalty. The Bills had to settle for a FG. 3. The Bills committed 9 penalties and had 4 fumbles. 2 of them by Flutie, plus a pick. But it was Moulds and Reed's fault.
dave mcbride Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Flutie had a 70% winning percentage and Johnson had a 34.5% winning percentage. Flutie was 8 - 3 in 1998 and Johnson was 2 - 3. Flutie made the Pro-Bowl that year. Flutie was 10 - 5 in 1999. Flutie was 4 - 1 in 2000, Johnson was 4 - 7. Flutie was released after the 2000 season and the Bills went 3 - 13 in 2001. What people forget about Johnson is why he was drafted in the fourth round. It wasn't because of talent, because in terms of being a physical specimen and a thrower, he was the best qb coming out in 1995. He was incredibly talented.The reason he dropped is because of his terrible performances in big games. He faced off against UCLA and ND 6 times, and USC won zero of those games. Why is that important? Because his LT was Tony Boselli and his #1 receivers were, in succession, Curtis Conway, Johnnie Morton, and Keyshawn Johnson. All were first round picks and all had excellent NFL careers (all over 500 receptions lifetime), and Boselli was the best college o-lineman I ever saw. That Trojans' team was LOADED; on D they had Darrell Russell and Willie McGinest. Yet all they got during the Johnson years were a couple of Freedom Bowl appearances and a Cotton Bowl appearance against a sad-sack (6-6) Texas Tech team. It's also worth noting that his brother, Bret Johnson, was the #1 HS recruit in the country and chose UCLA. When he didn't win the job there, he left the program and transferred to Michigan State. He did nothing there either. Believe it when I say that Bret Johnson was HIGHLY touted. Edited April 23, 2018 by dave mcbride
Sky Diver Posted April 23, 2018 Author Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Cynical said: 2 of them by Flutie, plus a pick. But it was Moulds and Reed's fault. Flutie threw for 360 yards and ran for 29 yards, but it was a bad game all around that they should have won. Edited April 23, 2018 by Sky Diver
dave mcbride Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, joesixpack said: It's the mother of all necro-crusades. This guy, sky diver, is a piece of work. necro-crusade is a phenomenal term!
Gugny Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 There's two types of people in this world. Pro-Flutie people - and people with good observation skills. 1 2
dave mcbride Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, Cynical said: 2 of them by Flutie, plus a pick. But it was Moulds and Reed's fault. Not for nothing, but that Miami defense was far better than the 1999 Titans' defense in pretty much every category. Flutie had turnovers, yes, but he basically lit the best defense in the league (1st in points allowed; 3rd in yards allowed; 1st i INTs; 3rd in passing TDs allowed; 3rd in net yards per passing attempt allowed) up like a Christmas tree. Tennessee's pass D in 1999 was 25th in passing yards given up and 27th in TD passes allowed. 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: There's two types of people in this world. Pro-Flutie people - and people with good observation skills. If you prefer Johnson over Flutie you have no observation skills.
Cynical Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Flutie threw for 360 yards, but it was a bad game all around that they should have won. Flutie was the very definition of mediocrity. 360 yards? Yes! 1 TD and 3 Turnovers? 3
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Cynical said: Flutie was the very definition of mediocrity. 360 yards? Yes! 1 TD and 3 Turnovers? Factual facts are factual.
Sky Diver Posted April 23, 2018 Author Posted April 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Cynical said: Flutie was the very definition of mediocrity. 360 yards? Yes! 1 TD and 3 Turnovers? A 70% winning percentage is hardly mediocre.
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