OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, BuffaloTX said: Met the guy as a kid. He's a turd .and twenty years later nothing has changed......needs to get over it............. 1 1
Boatdrinks Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 21 minutes ago, The Red King said: Yeah, just looked it up as well. I'll admit I was mistaken, deleted my reply. I blame old age, or trauma. ;-) Joking aside, it was only 3rd down. They could have taken it down to two seconds before kicking and chose not to. Came back to bite them. Yes, it was 3rd down, so they could have snapped the ball again to run the clock down. However, I can't argue with the logic. A bad snap or whatever and the game is over. I'd like my chances that I can cover a kick and defend perhaps 2 plays with that defense. I'd like them to a 99.999% chance and many coaches would probably have done the same. It took complete ST breakdown that high school players would know not to do. Stay in your lanes and go make a tackle. 1
Captain_Quint Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 Anyone have any opinions on if Doug Flutie played against Alabama? And the gloriousness that would take place? 2
PromoTheRobot Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Sky Diver said: Flutie had a 70% winning percentage with Buffalo and Johnson had a 34.5% winning percentage. And most of Flutie's losses came at the end of that season, which is why Ralph wanted Johnson. It was obvious by then that NFL defenses were wise to all of Doug's tricks. (Like his pixie hop/pump fake when throwing.) He wasn't winning anymore. 1
The Red King Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Yes, it was 3rd down, so they could have snapped the ball again to run the clock down. However, I can't argue with the logic. A bad snap or whatever and the game is over. I'd like my chances that I can cover a kick and defend perhaps 2 plays with that defense. I'd like them to a 99.999% chance and many coaches would probably have done the same. It took complete ST breakdown that high school players would know not to do. Stay in your lanes and go make a tackle. Not sure I agree, but that just comes down to differing opinions. What is the % chance of a bad snap vs the % chance of the opposing team getting a return that puts them in field goal range (or the endzone)? Bad snaps are rarer then good runbacks.
Sky Diver Posted April 22, 2018 Author Posted April 22, 2018 (edited) 19 hours ago, Doc Brown said: I think that was an honest assessment of what happened. I think they were both a-holes for different reasons whose hatred for each other divided the locker room. The reason the Bills went 10-6 in '98 and 11-5 in '99 was our defense. Flutie had a 70% winning percentage and Johnson had a 34.5% winning percentage. Flutie was 8 - 3 in 1998 and Johnson was 2 - 3. Flutie made the Pro-Bowl that year. Flutie was 10 - 5 in 1999. Flutie was 4 - 1 in 2000, Johnson was 4 - 7. Flutie was released after the 2000 season and the Bills went 3 - 13 in 2001. Edited April 23, 2018 by Sky Diver
Sky Diver Posted April 22, 2018 Author Posted April 22, 2018 (edited) There never should have been a QB controversy. Flutie should have been the starter and Johnson the backup. The Bills screwed up trading for Johnson and then doubled down on their stupidity. Edited April 22, 2018 by Sky Diver 1 1
The Avenger Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 A guy who continually held onto the ball way too long.....still holding a grudge? Shocking! 1 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, The Avenger said: A guy who continually held onto the ball way too long.....still holding a grudge? Shocking! ...according to CAREERBUILDER.COM, Massengil is looking for a highly qualified salesman......I think we found their guy......
holla83 Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 They leave out the fact that Johnson started 11 games in 2000 and was the unquestioned starter going into 2001. He got hurt both years, didn't play well, and was sacked a total of 80 times in those 2 years. 80 times in 19 starts!! Alex Van Pelt even outplayed him 2001.
Peter Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 (edited) Sometimes, people forget that Flutie had his chance in a playoff game with the Bills and when all was on the line . . . . https://youtu.be/k-gRYXg7D08 Edited April 22, 2018 by Peter 1
Bing Bong Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 He doesn't even have his own brand of frosted flakes 1
Ol Dirty B Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 Did anyone else notice this article and that SI article are from last August? Did anyone read the Rob Johnson quotes? They really weren't that bad at all. I remember being a big Flutie fan, but I was 9 at the time so I'm not trusting what my football judgment was. He was just an exciting guy to play, that botched run where he's supposed to hand it off to Thurman and bootlegs for a TD. He lateralled the ball to Thurman down field, I just remember him being exciting. Now, I don't really have a strong opinion either way. I do think the way people talk about how they would have beat Tennesse with Flutie sometimes is unfair, because while it wasn't pretty, Johnson did what he had to do and they lost for reasons completely out of his control. 1
Ol Dirty B Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Flutie had a 70% winning percentage and Johnson had a 34.5% winning percentage. Flutie was 8 - 3 in 1998 and Johnson was 2 - 3. Flutie made the Pro-Bowl that year. Flutie was 10 - 5 in 1999. Flutie was 4 - 1 in 2000, Johnson was 4 - 7. Flutie was released after the 2000 season and the Bills went 3 - 13 in 2001. I'm more upset about the Williams pick after this than all of what you're detailing. It sounds to me like you're the only one who won't let it go.... And you even got your way for the most part. Who cares? We're going to argue over two QB's that went on to only lose in the Wildcard... Things haven't changed much over the last 20 years. 5 hours ago, BuffaloTX said: Met the guy as a kid. He's a turd Yea Flutie is a dick Edited April 23, 2018 by Ol Dirty B
That's No Moon Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 10 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Didn't read the link but the legend of Doug Flutie is false. He sucked. Anyone who worships at the church of Flutie better have loved them some Tyrod Taylor.
Billznut Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Flutie’s winning percentage with the Bills: 70% Johnson’s winning percentage with the Bills: 34.5% in 2000, Flutie was 4 - 1, Johnson was 4 - 7. People don’t like it when you insert facts into an idiotic argument, especially all these years later. When confronted with facts they resort to his personality. Who gives a sh_t? He won, Johnson didn’t. It’s literally that simple. Arguments this many years later is asinine. Edited April 23, 2018 by Billznut 1
Sky Diver Posted April 23, 2018 Author Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) The Bills haven’t had a double digit win season since Flutie was QB in 1999. Edited April 23, 2018 by Sky Diver
Peter Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 5 hours ago, Sky Diver said: I love the 70% winning percentage. I will never forget Flutie's choice of pronouns in the post game press conferences depending on whether the Bills won or lost. When the Bills won, he would use "I" and when the Bills lost, he would use "we." Thurman is on record regarding what he thought of Flutie as a teammate. Spoiler alert: not much. I had posted a link to the interview some time ago. I tried to search for it a moment ago, but I am not sure what is going on with the search function. You can look for it if you don't trust me. It is my understanding that Thurman is not alone in his view of Flutie. In the meantime, Johnson left the field with the Bills ahead in a playoff game while Flute did what the Flutopians always criticized Johnson of doing when the game was on the line in his Bills playoff game against the Dolphins . . . . https://youtu.be/k-gRYXg7D08 Irony. 1
Sky Diver Posted April 23, 2018 Author Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: Anyone who worships at the church of Flutie better have loved them some Tyrod Taylor. Terrible comparison, but Flutie had 8 4th Quarter comeback wins and Taylor had 3. Did you actually see Flutie play? 4 minutes ago, Peter said: I will never forget Flutie's choice of pronouns in the post game press conferences depending on whether the Bills won or lost. When the Bills won, he would use "I" and when the Bills lost, he would use "we." Thurman is on record regarding what he thought of Flutie as a teammate. Spoiler alert: not much. I had posted a link to the interview some time ago. I tried to search for it a moment ago, but I am not sure what is going on with the search function. You can look for it if you don't trust me. It is my understanding that Thurman is not alone in his view of Flutie. In the meantime, Johnson left the field with the Bills ahead in a playoff game while Flute did what the Flutopians always criticized Johnson of doing when the game was on the line in his Bills playoff game against the Dolphins . . . . https://youtu.be/k-gRYXg7D08 Irony. The Bills went 3 - 13 the year after Flutie left. How dos that make Bills players feel? Edited April 23, 2018 by Sky Diver
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