Thurman#1 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sky Diver said: RJ was a 4th rd pick. The Bills liked him because of one good career start and because he could spin the ball. The Jags fleeced us. I liked him because he was exciting to watch and he found ways to win games. He had a 70% winning percentage with the Bills. I really liked Flutie in his first year here. After that his arm seemed to go and he couldn't throw the deep outs anymore and teams were able to strangle him by not covering the routes he could no longer throw. It wasn't Flutie who won those games. It was the Buffalo Bills. That's how it always is. Wins are a team stat. And part of winning is also who you beat. The teams we beat with Flutie starting were not exactly a murderer's row. 1999 (Bills had the16th best scoring offense, 2nd best defensive scoring allowed) Indy 13-3 (loss) Jets 8-8 (win, loss) Philly 5-11 (win) Miami 9-7 (win, win) Pitt 6-10 (win) Oak 8-8 (loss) Seattle 9-7 (loss) Balt 8-8 (win) Wash 10-6 (win) New Eng 8-8 (win, win) NYG 7-9 (loss) Ariz 6-10 (win) 2000 (Bills had the 20th best scoring offense, 18th best defensive scoring allowed. That was a terrific defense.) Minny 11-5 (loss) Jets 9-7 (win) Patriots 5-11 (win) Bears 5-11 (win) Seattle 6-10 (win) Not that Johnson was a great QB either. But he was a bit better than Flutie after the Dougster's arm went downhill. Edited April 22, 2018 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 (edited) Flutie’s winning percentage with the Bills: 70% Johnson’s winning percentage with the Bills: 34.5% in 2000, Flutie was 4 - 1, Johnson was 4 - 7. Edited April 22, 2018 by Sky Diver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Flutie’s winning percentage with the Bills: 70% Johnson’s winning percentage with the Bills: 34.5% in 2000, Flutie was 4 - 1, Johnson was 4 - 7. If Flutie was such a superior player then why was he dealt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, JohnC said: If Flutie was such a superior player then why was he dealt? He was a huge d*ckwad. That's a big factor. He was also 38. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Sky Diver said: I’m still bitter we traded for this bum and shafted Flutie. https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/08/rob_johnson_still_seems_upset_about_losing_buffalo_bills_qb_job_to_doug_flutie.amp Really? Still want to discuss and article from a year ago aboutnsomething from 20 years ago? Is there no current news to discuss? 1 hour ago, joesixpack said: This guy is on one hell of a crusade. FROM 1999. Troll. Pure troll, and can't even be debated. I agree. Needs to dig up old articles that have already been discussed just to rehash everyone’s opinions again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 I was not a big fan of either QB; however, I think the bitterness RJ felt at the time was somewhat justified. I also think he should have moved past it a long time ago. Again, not a fan of either: RJ had all the physical tools, yet, even had things turned out differently in that playoff game, I am not sure he would have developed into what the Bills hoped for when they traded for him and, given how long he has held onto things, I don't believe he ever had the mental toughness. As for Flutie, well, he was always going to be about himself first and never above sacrificing the good of the team for his own ambitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 RJ=Uncle Rico meme in 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 50 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: How did he manage to have a 70% winning percentage while destroying the locker room? It sounds nothing short of miraculous if true. Wins and losses are not a QB Stat. 3 minutes ago, Just Jack said: Really? Still want to discuss and article from a year ago aboutnsomething from 20 years ago? Is there no current news to discuss? I will grant that it makes a pleasant change from reading about "LOLmar" and "Mayfailed" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Johnson conned Wilson (who likened RJ to "a Monet") into wasting millions on this slow adult. He lost his job to Flutie (an infinitely smarter and tougher man) when he got injured....falling on a football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Wins and losses are not a QB Stat. I will grant that it makes a pleasant change from reading about "LOLmar" and "Mayfailed" “In the NFL, the quarterback is the only position that is credited with records of wins and losses.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Football_League_career_quarterback_wins_leaders 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Johnson conned Wilson (who likened RJ to "a Monet") into wasting millions on this slow adult. He lost his job to Flutie (an infinitely smarter and tougher man) when he got injured....falling on a football. More like a Moan-et. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Flutie wasn't a franchise QB, but he did win a lot of games for the Bills. And I don't understand everyone who says he was a jerk. He wanted to play. Everyone in the NFL is like that. They want to play and they do everything they can to play. Good for him if he was able to manipulate people to get himself on the field. Better than being a nice guy and holding a clip board for your whole career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, MJS said: Flutie wasn't a franchise QB, but he did win a lot of games for the Bills. And I don't understand everyone who says he was a jerk. He wanted to play. Everyone in the NFL is like that. They want to play and they do everything they can to play. Good for him if he was able to manipulate people to get himself on the field. Better than being a nice guy and holding a clip board for your whole career. Some hack reporter named Bucky said he was a jerk so it must be true. I’m wondering what Chip, Biff, and Skip had to say about Flutie. Edited April 22, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Just now, MJS said: Flutie wasn't a franchise QB, but he did win a lot of games for the Bills. And I don't understand everyone who says he was a jerk. He wanted to play. Everyone in the NFL is like that. They want to play and they do everything they can to play. Good for him if he was able to manipulate people to get himself on the field. Better than being a nice guy and holding a clip board for your whole career. Good QBs don't have to manipulate others in order to play. Good QBs don't make excuses like, "people expect more from me because I'm black." Good QBs play well and earn starting jobs ... and they keep them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 30 minutes ago, stevewin said: Rolling this out again - every time this debate gets resurrected... http://buffalonews.com/2001/10/25/its-time-for-the-truth-about-flutie/ I think the key point was: "Anyway, when it's all added up, the Bills' defense did more for the team's success than anything Flutie accomplished. " I remember, especially in 1999, when the offense would struggle and the defense would keep the team in games. Flutie and the offense would manage to pull out a 13-10 type game with a late scoring drive, and the press would marvel over "Flutie Magic". RJ certainly wasn't the answer. He was everything you wanted from a physical standpoint: big, strong-armed, accurate, mobile. He just never developed any sort of pocket presence; he had no "timer" in his head and was missing natural instincts. Many of his knock-out hits came as a result of him running full speed into an on-coming pass rusher. Flutie's was a nice story: an underdog who seemed to make good in 1998. Even if he didn't play as well as his mythical reputation in Buffalo would suggest, the truth is that he did play well enough during that stretch back in 1998 when the future of the team's viability in Buffalo truly was in question. The PR folks at OBD were happy to promote the Flutie myth in exchange for unprecedented box seat sales. In the process they helped the already outlandish Flutie ego to get out of control. Every game the Bills won back then was because of "Flutie Magic", and every game they lost was someone else's fault. And Doug had no problem throwing his team mates under the bus, either. Had Dougie been saddled with the horrific defenses backing him up that, say, Fitz endured, Flutie's time in Buffalo would have just been another footnote. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Gugny said: Good QBs don't have to manipulate others in order to play. Good QBs don't make excuses like, "people expect more from me because I'm black." Good QBs play well and earn starting jobs ... and they keep them. I never said he was good. I said he wanted to play, like everyone else in the league. There are plenty of stories of backup QB's who are disgruntled and want to play. Steve Young, for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, MJS said: Flutie wasn't a franchise QB, but he did win a lot of games for the Bills. And I don't understand everyone who says he was a jerk. He wanted to play. Everyone in the NFL is like that. They want to play and they do everything they can to play. Good for him if he was able to manipulate people to get himself on the field. Better than being a nice guy and holding a clip board for your whole career. ....strictly opinion, but never could stand Flutie.....he thought he was the greatest invention since beer....just ask 'em......and Rob still bitter after 20 years?.....pretty sure the TBD sentiment is the same Bandana Boy......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Just now, MJS said: I never said he was good. I said he wanted to play, like everyone else in the league. There are plenty of stories of backup QB's who are disgruntled and want to play. Steve Young, for one. Of course Steve Young wanted to play and yes - most backups feel they should be starters. However, Steve Young - and most other backups - handled it with professionalism and eventually got their chances. Flutie didn't handle it like that. Not even close. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Just now, Gugny said: Of course Steve Young wanted to play and yes - most backups feel they should be starters. However, Steve Young - and most other backups - handled it with professionalism and eventually got their chances. Flutie didn't handle it like that. Not even close. Steve Young complained about it all the time and thought about quitting all the time. He was as frustrated and vocal a backup as there ever was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 I hated Doug Flutie. I didn’t like RJ, but I hated Flutie. And his Flutie Flakes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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