Sky Diver Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 I’m still bitter we traded for this bum and shafted Flutie. https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/08/rob_johnson_still_seems_upset_about_losing_buffalo_bills_qb_job_to_doug_flutie.amp 9
Charles Romes Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 Does RJ even know he's the all time NFL leader in sack per drop back percentage - an astonishing 14.8% rate - and that it's not even close for second place. They had to invent a whole new QBR after he single handedly exposed the sack flaw in the standard rating system. 4 3
4merper4mer Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 Didn't read the link but the legend of Doug Flutie is false. He sucked. 8 3
Baba Booey Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 Not for nothing but Rob Johnson had the game won. Before the forward pass happened!!! 6
Virgil Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 I was a huge RH fan, but he brought it on himself. He had all the tools, but rarely but a complete game together. The sacks were atrocious. He had the season finale against the Colts which won him the Titans game and he left that field a winner. Other than that, he never did anything to shut up the Flutie supporters. And when Flutie was out there, he was electric. But a Flutie equally lost us the Dolphins playoff game. They were polar opposite players. So when one didn’t do well, you automatically wanted the other 1 1
JohnC Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 Rob Johnson is the personification of how difficult it is to evaluate qbs. From a tools standpoint he has it all. But that isn't the essence of the position. It's how you see things and react. His inability to not take sacks and instead just throw it away or take the outlet play would drive you crazy. At the time I advocated for RJ over Flutie. I still believe that he was a better qb. The more public and personable Flute was a better self-promoter and had a more compelling story than the bland and inscrutable RJ. Much of the public support for Flutie had to do with the fact that the Buffalo audience related better to Flute than Johnson. 3
Sky Diver Posted April 22, 2018 Author Posted April 22, 2018 RJ was a 4th rd pick. The Bills liked him because of one good career start and because he could spin the ball. The Jags fleeced us. 4 minutes ago, JohnC said: Rob Johnson is the personification of how difficult it is to evaluate qbs. From a tools standpoint he has it all. But that isn't the essence of the position. It's how you see things and react. His inability to not take sacks and instead just throw it away or take the outlet play would drive you crazy. At the time I advocated for RJ over Flutie. I still believe that he was a better qb. The more public and personable Flute was a better self-promoter and had a more compelling story than the bland and inscrutable RJ. Much of the public support for Flutie had to do with the fact that the Buffalo audience related better to Flute than Johnson. I liked him because he was exciting to watch and he found ways to win games. He had a 70% winning percentage with the Bills. 1
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 Doesn't RJ have a ring? Would he have got it in B-Lo? He needs to keep a "gratitude journal." His memory is slipping. 4 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: RJ was a 4th rd pick. The Bills liked him because of one good career start and because he could spin the ball. The Jags fleeced us. I liked him because he was exciting to watch and he found ways to win games. He had a 70% winning percentage with the Bills. Except for the one game we needed him most...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 This guy is on one hell of a crusade. FROM 1999. Troll. Pure troll, and can't even be debated.
Gugny Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, JohnC said: Rob Johnson is the personification of how difficult it is to evaluate qbs. From a tools standpoint he has it all. But that isn't the essence of the position. It's how you see things and react. His inability to not take sacks and instead just throw it away or take the outlet play would drive you crazy. At the time I advocated for RJ over Flutie. I still believe that he was a better qb. The more public and personable Flute was a better self-promoter and had a more compelling story than the bland and inscrutable RJ. Much of the public support for Flutie had to do with the fact that the Buffalo audience related better to Flute than Johnson. Well said. I usually just point out that Flutie was a selfish prick and a crappy QB. But you did it with much nicer words! 1 2
Epstein's Mother Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 18 minutes ago, Virgil said: I was a huge RH fan, but he brought it on himself. He had all the tools, but rarely but a complete game together. The sacks were atrocious. He had the season finale against the Colts which won him the Titans game and he left that field a winner. I remember leaving that game thinking finally, this guy is gonna be the franchise QB the Bills had been looking for. He was impressive as hell that day. Then... well you know the rest.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 Just now, Epstein's Mother said: I remember leaving that game thinking finally, this guy is gonna be the franchise QB the Bills had been looking for. He was impressive as hell that day. Then... well you know the rest. You mean, he left the field with a win in hand, only to have it blown by the ST? Yeah, bummer.
auburnbillsbacker Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 Rob Johnson's QB rating and points per game were real good his first 2 years in Buffalo. It is a very small sample size though. I think he could have succeeded had they committed to him. Flutie was so fun to watch his first season in Buffalo though. His 2nd season was sub par. 1
4thandGoal Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 18 minutes ago, Virgil said: I was a huge RH fan, but he brought it on himself. He had all the tools, but rarely but a complete game together. The sacks were atrocious. He had the season finale against the Colts which won him the Titans game and he left that field a winner. Other than that, he never did anything to shut up the Flutie supporters. And when Flutie was out there, he was electric. But a Flutie equally lost us the Dolphins playoff game. They were polar opposite players. So when one didn’t do well, you automatically wanted the other 16 minutes ago, JohnC said: Rob Johnson is the personification of how difficult it is to evaluate qbs. From a tools standpoint he has it all. But that isn't the essence of the position. It's how you see things and react. His inability to not take sacks and instead just throw it away or take the outlet play would drive you crazy. At the time I advocated for RJ over Flutie. I still believe that he was a better qb. The more public and personable Flute was a better self-promoter and had a more compelling story than the bland and inscrutable RJ. Much of the public support for Flutie had to do with the fact that the Buffalo audience related better to Flute than Johnson. 1) i agree with both these statements. 2) but RJ should get over it..." be better , not bitter" 3) why is this article brought up again-- wasnt this mentioned when the article first came out?
Sky Diver Posted April 22, 2018 Author Posted April 22, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Doesn't RJ have a ring? Would he have got it in B-Lo? He needs to keep a "gratitude journal." His memory is slipping. Except for the one game we needed him most... You appear to be forgetting a couple of critical elements of the Miami game. 1. Mounds fumbled away a near certain TD on the Miami 12 yrd line after a 65 yrd pass play. 2. Andre Reed bumped the referee after he was called down on Miami’s 1 yrd line and earned an ejection and a 15 yrd penalty. The Bills had to settle for a FG. 3. The Bills committed 9 penalties and had 4 fumbles. Edited April 22, 2018 by Sky Diver 1 1
JohnC Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Gugny said: Well said. I usually just point out that Flutie was a selfish prick and a crappy QB. But you did it with much nicer words! The local press covering the Bills despised (probably too strong a word) Flutie. He wouldn't give them the time of day because he could get greater exposure dealing with the national press covering the sport. RJ was more team oriented and supportive of Flutie when he played and it wasn't reciprocated by Flutie when RJ played. These two qbs ended up despising one another. Most people sided with Flute while I don't and didnt. Many people were drawn into the compelling Flutie and family story of his autistic son. There was the other side of Flutie who was a self-promoting back stabber and two-faced manipulator. 4
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