John from Riverside Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 1 minute ago, NewDayBills said: #96 and a 2019 5th though is not much to ask though, right? I think Lamar is hot garbage. I dont think he is garbage at all....if he was then he wouldnt be going first round in a QB draft and 96 is the one I dont want to give up in this scenario...u can get a OL or LB there probably doesnt matter....we are trading up for Rosen
Doc Brown Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 This mock seems to have a built in Bills fan bias of what you hope happens. Allen to Jets and Mayfield to Bills with us giving up very little.
JM57 Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 28 minutes ago, billspro said: It was looking so good until you took Billy Price. We have two capable OG/C in Groy and Bodine. We need to find a LB to lead this defence and the best LB in the draft fell right into our laps and we passed. Why didn't you give us Vander Esch? I regret to inform you that Bodine is far from capable
JohnC Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 39 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: That is a nice mock. I heard someone on Sirius predict that we would trade down to 9 with the 49ers. I do however think that the Giants will draft a qb. Gettlleman is a very interesting guy and is on Sirius quite often. He says that missing on a qb is a "5 year mistake." It made me think how a vast majority of our Bills 1st round picks were 5 year mistakes lol. Donte Whitner anyone? I really do not think that our current leadership is this stupid; good news indeed! Gotham Bill, The notion of missing on a qb being a five year mistake is archaic. With the way the contracts are structured for high draft picks if you miss you have alternative options at redeeming your mistake through the draft or through trades and free agency. It didn't take long for the Bills to recognize that EJ simply didn't have it. In short order they got Orton and then acquired TT. They certainly weren't perfect options but they were reasonable options that allowed the team to stay competitive. Where it does get problematic is when you use a lot of resources (draft picks) to get your prospective qb. That hurts you from a cap standpoint (cheaper young players) and because the costly investment makes one more hesitant to seek another option because of unwillingness to acknowledge a franchise error. I have always believed that if you don't have a franchise qb then it is better to error on the side of being aggressive in addressing that void rather than being inexplicably passive as Whaley was. That doesn't mean that you should absurdly reach and not be sensible; what it does mean is that it should be a priority endeavor until it is accomplished. This is the year that the Bills should come out of this draft with a high end prospect. There are a number of reasonable options to take. I will be deeply disappointed if it doesn't materialize. Without a doubt this regime is much more astute than the prior laggard regimes. I ooze with confidence that when this draft is completed I will be buoyant. 1 hour ago, NewDayBills said: 1.) BROWNS: Sam Darnold, QB 2.) GIANTS: Saquan Barkley, RB 3.) JETS: Josh Allen, QB 4.) BROWNS: Bradley Chubb, DE 5.) BRONCOS: Josh Rosen, QB 6.) COLTS: Quenton Nelson, OG 7.) BUCS: Minkah Fitzpatrick, DB 8.) BEARS: Roquan Smith, LB 9.) 49ERS: Tremaine Edmunds, LB *10.) BUFFALO FROM OAKLAND: Baker Mayfield, QB 11.) DOLPHINS: Vita Vea, DT *12.) RAIDERS FROM BUFFALO: Denzel Ward, CB 13.) REDSKINS: Derwin James, DB 14.) PACKERS: Mike McGlinchey, OT 15.) CARDINALS: Lamar Jackson, QB 16.) RAVENS: Calvin Ridley, WR 17.) CHARGERS: DaRon Payne, DT 18.) SEAHAWKS: Joshua Jackson, CB 19.) COWBOYS: Courtland Sutton, WR 20.) LIONS: Marcus Davenport, DE 21.) BENGALS: James Daniels, C 22.) BILLS: Billy Price, C/G 23.) PATRIOTS: Mason Rudolph, QB 24.) PANTHERS: DJ Moore, WR 25.) TITANS: Rashaan Evans, LB 26.) FALCONS: Taven Bryan, DT 27.) SAINTS: Harold Landry, DE/OLB 28.) STEELERS: Leighton Vander Esch, LB 29.) JAGUARS: Jaire Alexander, CB 30.) VIKINGS: Isaiah Wynn, OL 31.) PATRIOTS: Kolton Miller, OT 32.) EAGLES: Derrius Guice, RB * Bills trade #12, #96 and a 2019 5th to Oakland for #10. This is a very plausible mock draft. Excellent job. 1
ghostwriter Posted April 21, 2018 Author Posted April 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: This mock seems to have a built in Bills fan bias of what you hope happens. Allen to Jets and Mayfield to Bills with us giving up very little. I can't think of any draft where 4 QBs have went in the top 10 picks, I've never seen that happen one time in my entire life. I think Jets are posturing with the Mayfield hype, why leak that information? Height and character concerns will cause Mayfield to drop.
Dr. Who Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, JohnC said: This is the year that the Bills should come out of this draft with a high end prospect. There are a number of reasonable options to take. I will be deeply disappointed if it doesn't materialize. Without a doubt this regime is much more astute than the prior laggard regimes. I ooze with confidence that when this draft is completed I will be buoyant. Articluate as always, John C. Giants trading out or at least not taking a qb will be key to Bills having a reasonable shot at acquiring one of the top 4.
McBean Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 I would love Mayfield and Price. Grand slam if that happens.
JohnC Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Articluate as always, John C. Giants trading out or at least not taking a qb will be key to Bills having a reasonable shot at acquiring one of the top 4. In addition, I don't believe that Denver wants to draft a qb. One scenario I would love to see play out is for Rosen to be available by the 5 and 6 spot. Then hopefully there is an opportunity to make a deal. The team I am honing in on is the Colts. If they make a deal they could parlay their original pick with trades to NY Jets and Buffalo and have a load of high picks to bolster their roster. Edited April 21, 2018 by JohnC 1
1billsfan Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: #96 and a 2019 5th though is not much to ask though, right? I think Lamar is hot garbage. When I think of hot garbage, I think of a cocky kid who gets tackled by cops in the middle of the night, grabs his junk in front of millions of television viewers and poses shirtless with a "karate kid" bandana on an SI cover. Lamar Jackson will become a 10+ year franchise QB in the NFL, Baker Mayfield will be a bust.
dollars 2 donuts Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, NewDayBills said: I don't think so, Miami isn't moving on from Tannehill. I can't impress upon this Board enough that I think the Dolphins are bat s**t crazy and that if you were to look at their draft board it would have only 10 words on it: "all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy", written 10,000 times...and that should scare the hell out of anyone drafting behind them. The Phins are either going to trade up and grab the QB we are eyeing and have him hold for field goals for three years or they are going to draft Olaf Pilor because they heard good things about him on the Internet at www.theonion.com. Edited April 21, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts 1
Inigo Montoya Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 23.) PATRIOTS: Mason Rudolph, QB I would be disappointed if the Pats get Rudolph. While I don't pretend to have any special ability to evaluate QB talent, Rudolph is the one QB this year who has really started to grow on me. I wouldn't take him ahead of the top four QBs, but if the Bills missed out on the big four for whatever reason, I wouldn't be upset if the Bills took Rudolph later in the first round. I think Rudolph sitting behind Brady for a couple years and learning will end up being a really good pro QB. I'd rather not see that happen... Edited April 21, 2018 by Inigo Montoya 2
ghostwriter Posted April 21, 2018 Author Posted April 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: 23.) PATRIOTS: Mason Rudolph, QB I would be disappointed if the Pats get Rudolph. While I don't pretend to have any special ability to evaluate QB talent, Rudolph is the one QB this year who has really started to grow on me. I wouldn't take him ahead of the top four QBs, but if the Bills missed out on the big four for whatever reason, I wouldn't be upset if the Bills took Rudolph later in the first round. I think Rudolph sitting behind Brady for a couple years and learning will end up being a really good pro QB. I'd rather not see that happen... I like Rudolph too, I think he would be a great Bill, but I had to be fair and make the best pick I could for New England, I think they really want Rudolph bad. 1
1billsfan Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: 23.) PATRIOTS: Mason Rudolph, QB I would be disappointed if the Pats get Rudolph. While I don't pretend to have any special ability to evaluate QB talent, Rudolph is the one QB this year who has really started to grow on me. I wouldn't take him ahead of the top four QBs, but if the Bills missed out on the big four for whatever reason, I wouldn't be upset if the Bills took Rudolph later in the first round. I think Rudolph sitting behind Brady for a couple years and learning will end up being a really good pro QB. I'd rather not see that happen... I honestly think the Bills would draft Rudolph before drafting Mayfield. Due to his immaturity issues, I really feel that Baker Mayfield is off the Bills draft board entirely. I just don't see Beane and McDermott being all in on that type of guy.
BuffAlone Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, NewDayBills said: 1.) BROWNS: Sam Darnold, QB 2.) GIANTS: Saquan Barkley, RB 3.) JETS: Josh Allen, QB 4.) BROWNS: Bradley Chubb, DE 5.) BRONCOS: Josh Rosen, QB 6.) COLTS: Quenton Nelson, OG 7.) BUCS: Minkah Fitzpatrick, DB 8.) BEARS: Roquan Smith, LB 9.) 49ERS: Tremaine Edmunds, LB *10.) BUFFALO FROM OAKLAND: Baker Mayfield, QB 11.) DOLPHINS: Vita Vea, DT *12.) RAIDERS FROM BUFFALO: Denzel Ward, CB 13.) REDSKINS: Derwin James, DB 14.) PACKERS: Mike McGlinchey, OT 15.) CARDINALS: Lamar Jackson, QB 16.) RAVENS: Calvin Ridley, WR 17.) CHARGERS: DaRon Payne, DT 18.) SEAHAWKS: Joshua Jackson, CB 19.) COWBOYS: Courtland Sutton, WR 20.) LIONS: Marcus Davenport, DE 21.) BENGALS: James Daniels, C 22.) BILLS: Billy Price, C/G 23.) PATRIOTS: Mason Rudolph, QB 24.) PANTHERS: DJ Moore, WR 25.) TITANS: Rashaan Evans, LB 26.) FALCONS: Taven Bryan, DT 27.) SAINTS: Harold Landry, DE/OLB 28.) STEELERS: Leighton Vander Esch, LB 29.) JAGUARS: Jaire Alexander, CB 30.) VIKINGS: Isaiah Wynn, OL 31.) PATRIOTS: Kolton Miller, OT 32.) EAGLES: Derrius Guice, RB * Bills trade #12, #96 and a 2019 5th to Oakland for #10. Billy Price is not going 1st rd. Injury plus better players at his position. Giants are not taking Barkley at 2. RB's are not the hog-mollies Gentleman wants...not at that spot anyway.Barkley don't go top 5. Broncos will not draft a QB 1st rd. I bet anything on these 3 notes Edited April 21, 2018 by BuffAlone
ghostwriter Posted April 21, 2018 Author Posted April 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Billy Price is not going 1st rd. Injury plus better players at his position. Giants are not taking Barkley at 2. RB's are not the hog-mollies Gentleman wants...not at that spot anyway.Barkley don't go top 5. Broncos will not draft a QB 1st rd. I bet anything on these 3 notes Price is a real good prospect, I love Wynn too. But Price, Bodine, Groy, Miller and Duccasse would give us a sick interior with Dawkins protecting the blindside, Mayfield would have outstanding protection. It would also be nice to have our 3 starting interior linemen being able to play all three positions inside. Price to me is a Nick Mangold type of prospect, I think he is the best center in the draft.
xRUSHx Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, kdiggz said: Maybe. But they just restructured his contract to make it essentially a 1 year deal and they have hosted many of the top QB's. Everyone in the media is convinced they want one of the top guys and that guy is Mayfield. I think Bills would have to move up to 6 in that scenario otherwise Miami or Arizona will I agree, I see zero chance one of the top 3 fall that much. IMO Arizona or Miami will be very active to move up to 7 right under our noses just like the Jets did with that Indy pick. If the Bills sleep with this new staff like Whaley did all those drafts on waiting for a QB to fall to them IMO another team will spend to take said QB just like always, missed by that much. Almost had em. IMO expect the fish to take a QB with that first pick with a slight move up for one of the top 4 or if all gone I think they are also in the Rudolph talk and could move down a little then take him long before NE does. I think Arizona is big on Jackson not Rudolph but if Mayfield, Rosen are within grasp they will pull the trigger to move up IMO. Edited April 21, 2018 by xRUSHx
billsredneck1 Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 36 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: 23.) PATRIOTS: Mason Rudolph, QB I would be disappointed if the Pats get Rudolph. While I don't pretend to have any special ability to evaluate QB talent, Rudolph is the one QB this year who has really started to grow on me. I wouldn't take him ahead of the top four QBs, but if the Bills missed out on the big four for whatever reason, I wouldn't be upset if the Bills took Rudolph later in the first round. I think Rudolph sitting behind Brady for a couple years and learning will end up being a really good pro QB. I'd rather not see that happen... i hear ya, but i don't think he'll even make it to 22. i truly think he is the peyton manning of this class. if we ..miss out on the top 4, i wouldn't be surprised if someone jumped our 12th pick for him. 1
Bill from NYC Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 5 hours ago, JohnC said: Gotham Bill, The notion of missing on a qb being a five year mistake is archaic. With the way the contracts are structured for high draft picks if you miss you have alternative options at redeeming your mistake through the draft or through trades and free agency. It didn't take long for the Bills to recognize that EJ simply didn't have it. In short order they got Orton and then acquired TT. They certainly weren't perfect options but they were reasonable options that allowed the team to stay competitive. . I think that Gettleman meant was that it takes 5 years to recover from NOT drafting a very good quarterback when you have the opportunity to select one. For instance, the Bills passed on Mahomes last season and chose to draft a corner. I am not claiming to know if Mahomes is any good but if he is, the Bills will be set back no matter how good the corner turns out to be. I am not a Giant Fan. Never was; but, I think that Gettleman is going to be a fine GM. And I don't think he will pass on drafting a qb.
4merper4mer Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 6 hours ago, NewDayBills said: I don't think so, Miami isn't moving on from Tannehill. Then why in your own mock draft did the Bills have to leapfrog them?
ghostwriter Posted April 22, 2018 Author Posted April 22, 2018 Just now, 4merper4mer said: Then why in your own mock draft did the Bills have to leapfrog them? Because other teams may trade up, I could actually see us going higher, who knows? Miami probably won't, but they might.
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