Saxum Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 1 hour ago, PrimeTime101 said: compared to the QB's they have had over the year I bet he is turning heads... till he gets on the field and.. takes to long to throw and... cant see players in middle of field and... have games where he throws under 100 yards... yea you know the story right? if you mean grammar that would be graded as an F by an elementary school teacher IN FLORIDA yes. if you mean coherent thought process based on what he had to work with no. The offense coaching was terrible including the current OL coach/run game coordinator. They dumped a GOOD WR coach for a coach they dumped after one year. I wish Chan Gailey or even Lynn was coaching last year on offense; we would have won a playoff game, maybe two.
BadLandsMeanie Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 7 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Most of his detractors on this board had awful and lazy takes when it came to Tyrod. He can be a very solid piece in an offense that takes advantage of his strengths and has some legitimate recieving threats. We've seen it already. That is true to an extent. I could live with him if they also had an offense designed to pull Tyrod in the 4th quarter of games we are behind, in favor of a qb who will throw the ball like the game being on the line is more important than his stat line.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 6 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Namath, Starr, and Stabler are all in the HOF. True. But there is an argument that says Namath really wasn’t great.
Mike in Horseheads Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 Players will be turning heads too when the ball goes over/under left/right but certainly not down the middle
Tyrod's friend Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 2 hours ago, The Red King said: Bad receivers mean receivers that cannot get open as often. If Tyrod was regularly throwing accurate passes to our reeievers...hell, if he even threw to them when they were open...but they were not open much, then that's on the receivers. If passes were dropped or picked off because the receivers didn't get separation, then that would be the recievers' fault. Not even throwing to receivers that were indeed open is on TT. Underthrowing open receivers is on TT. Throwing erratically at anything beyond check-down range is on TT. Worse, his unwillingness and inability to even attempt throwing mid to deep range passes allowed opposing teams to put eleven players, a couple cheerleaders and an assistant coach in the box, creating a brick wall for Shady to run into. So yes, he brought the offensive unit down in 2017. Not to state the obvious or talk down to you, but this isn't Madden, right? You don't get the right to swap out the two starting WRs, replace them with bad receivers including one rookie that apparently can't catch a cold, then on top of that replace the scheme with frankly a world class bad OC, and say that little guy on the screen is just going to do what you say. It affects him, affects his confidence, distracts what he's doing on the field. I'm sure you get this. The management and ownership of this team believed that Tyrod was in fact not holding back the team in 2015 and 2016. Why would they? In his first two years as a starter in the NFL he was averaging nearly 400 points a season. They brought him back for 2017. The consensus around the league was that Tyrod was (still) a good QB even after the abortion of last year; apparently there were at least three different suitors for him and it led to a bidding war. I'm sure you are really good at your day job. I think the talent evaluators in the NFL are pretty good too. Tyrod was no worse or better than he was in 2016. We destroyed the environment on our way to cleaning up the cap space, left that man on an island, and all he did was QB the team to winning 9 of 15 games. And thank goodness he was able to politely say thank you very much with his mouth full of the $hit this organization stuck in there. And leave our fair city like a pro. I realize it only speaks to his quality as a human being and not whether or not he was a great QB. And he's not a great QB - I'm not saying that. But for an organization to dump on him like they did in 2017? Sorry, I won't hold him responsible for that whole mess. Not for a second.
reddogblitz Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said: compared to the QB's they have had over the year I bet he is turning heads... till he gets on the field and.. takes to long to throw and... cant see players in middle of field and... have games where he throws under 100 yards... yea you know the story right? wait til he has a 56 yard game ... Edited April 21, 2018 by reddogblitz
reddogblitz Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 7 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: Bama qb’s = ? Joe Namath. Bart Starr. Ken Stabler. 22 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: True. But there is an argument that says Namath really wasn’t great. His bust in Canton says otherwise.
The Red King Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said: Not to state the obvious or talk down to you, but this isn't Madden, right? You don't get the right to swap out the two starting WRs, replace them with bad receivers including one rookie that apparently can't catch a cold, then on top of that replace the scheme with frankly a world class bad OC, and say that little guy on the screen is just going to do what you say. It affects him, affects his confidence, distracts what he's doing on the field. I'm sure you get this. The management and ownership of this team believed that Tyrod was in fact not holding back the team in 2015 and 2016. Why would they? In his first two years as a starter in the NFL he was averaging nearly 400 points a season. They brought him back for 2017. The consensus around the league was that Tyrod was (still) a good QB even after the abortion of last year; apparently there were at least three different suitors for him and it led to a bidding war. I'm sure you are really good at your day job. I think the talent evaluators in the NFL are pretty good too. Tyrod was no worse or better than he was in 2016. We destroyed the environment on our way to cleaning up the cap space, left that man on an island, and all he did was QB the team to winning 9 of 15 games. And thank goodness he was able to politely say thank you very much with his mouth full of the $hit this organization stuck in there. And leave our fair city like a pro. I realize it only speaks to his quality as a human being and not whether or not he was a great QB. And he's not a great QB - I'm not saying that. But for an organization to dump on him like they did in 2017? Sorry, I won't hold him responsible for that whole mess. Not for a second. Not to state the obvious or talk down to you...then you do just that. First sign someone is losing a debate is when they start relying more on insults then points. Sorry, not going to drop to your level. Well, maybe a little... Okay, with that out of the way... Watch the JAX game again. He had receivers wide open and didn't throw to them. The throws he did make beyond dump-off distance were in the dirt or behind his receivers. That is not the fault of anyone else. That's all on TT. He is baseline, mediocre. He is good enough to stabilize a bad team, but when the team needed to lean on him to win a game for them (Panthers, Bengals, Jags...), he simply can't do it. Now, if you'd like to continue on with an intellegent, civil discussion of the matter, I'm game. If you'd prefer to just talk down to me and hurl insults, sorry...not my style. Stay frosty! 2
BigDingus Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 Work ethic and leadership were never his issues. Damn, I wish we could get a high 3rd round pick for all our players that exhibit those just those 2 traits. We'd be able to draft the entire QB class this year! Wish there were more Browns in the league...
reddogblitz Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 22 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Players will be turning heads too when the ball goes over/under left/right but certainly not down the middle Hotrod holds the record for highest completion percentage in Buffalo Bills franchise history.
Tyrod's friend Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: True. But there is an argument that says Namath really wasn’t great. Hold on there Shady. I grew up with that guy, and don't you let those letters linger. Joe Willie played the better part of his career with no knees. He played against the dirtiest teams I've ever seen - the Chiefs and the Raiders. Screw statistics. I know he completed 49% of his passes and threw too many INTs. But it's where statistics fail you. In 1970, after embarrassing the Colts he had to face them in the regular season. The only problem was three of his offensive linemen were injured and wouldn't start. Snell couldn't suit up and Boozer was playing hurt. Joe was hammered all afternoon long - they don't count sacks but my old memory says it must have been 5 or 8 times. 62 passes ... 62, and not one of them in the flats or a screen. It was like the Colts were holding him up so they could beat on him. He threw 6 interceptions and afterward the game he finally hung it up for the year. He couldn't take anymore pain - going into the game his knees already looked like train tracks. He kept playing but he was done. I've watched football since 1967 and no player ever took a beating like him. I can still see guys like Willie Lanier, Buck Buchanon and Ben Davidson twisting his legs like drumsticks.
The Red King Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 Just now, reddogblitz said: Hotrod holds the record for highest completion percentage in Buffalo Bills franchise history. That's not hard to do when 99% of your passes are short check-down, dump-off passes...especially when many of them are on 3rd and long. Statistics can be misleading.
BigDingus Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 1 minute ago, The Red King said: Not to state the obvious or talk down to you...then you do just that. First sign someone is losing a debate is when they start relying more on insults then points. Sorry, not going to drop to your level. Well, maybe a little... Okay, with that out of the way... Watch the JAX game again. He had receivers wide open and didn't throw to them. The throws he did make beyond dump-off distance were in the dirt or behind his receivers. That is not the fault of anyone else. That's all on TT. He is baseline, mediocre. He is good enough to stabilize a bad team, but when the team needed to lean on him to win a game for them (Panthers, Bengals, Jags...), he simply can't do it. Now, if you'd like to continue on with an intellegent, civil discussion of the matter, I'm game. If you'd prefer to just talk down to me and hurl insults, sorry...not my style. Stay frosty! Those aren't the only games the team needed him, and he did nothing... He carried a 3-23 record (I may be off by 1 game) record in his 3 seasons here, when the Bills went down by even a SINGLE point at any time in the 4th quarter.... That's the issue. Doesn't matter how close the game was, if we ever got behind, Tyrod was the LAST QB to keep you in the game. And throughout this past season, if the defense didn't have an amazing game or gift Tyrod & Co. tons of turnovers in opposing territory (to kick those FG's after going 3 & out), the Bills would have lost almost every game.
BADOLBILZ Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 3 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: This idiot is the only one stupid enough to insist that I was wrong when I said TT could be inserted back into the lineup at any minute after McD benched him. Lil' Nay Pete didn't make it past the first half. There are a lot of douchebags on this board who wouldn't even be dumb enough to go down that hole..........but DaDumbasssince1973.........he's special. Keep losin' son. 1
Fadingpain Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 7 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: The Browns are going to game plan for Taylor's strengths and surround him with talent. And the media will talk about what a Billsy move trading him was. They can surround him with 10 future HOFers and psychically channel Bill Walsh to draw up the game plans... ...and Tyrod will still be afraid to throw the G.D. ball.
reddogblitz Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, The Red King said: Watch the JAX game again. He had receivers wide open and didn't throw to them. The throws he did make beyond dump-off distance were in the dirt or behind his receivers. That is not the fault of anyone else. Does this count the one that hit Thompson in the hands for a first down that he dropped? After the punt, Jax got a crucial FG before the half. Or the one completed to Thompson that he ran out of bounds short of the sticks? Or when McCoy finally rips off a good run in thE 2nd half that got called back for holding? Hotrod had a bad game but he waS far from the only one. What idiot called a pass on 1st and goal from the 1 with Kyle Williams on the bench? Oh yeah, the guy that got fired less than 48hours after the season ended. 12 minutes ago, The Red King said: That's not hard to do when 99% of your passes are short check-down, dump-off passes...especially when many of them are on 3rd and long. Statistics can be misleading. Like this one? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-cTNqwZ5gkY 1
The Red King Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 Just now, reddogblitz said: Does this count the one that hit Thompson in the hands for a first down that he dropped? After the punt, Jax got a crucial FG before the half. Or the one completed to Thompson that he ran out of bounds short of the sticks? Or when McCoy finally rips off a good run in thE 2nd half that got called back for holding? Hotrod had a bad game but he waS far from the only one. What idiot called a pass on 1st and goal from the 1 with Kyle Williams on the bench? Oh yeah, the guy that got fired less than 48hours after the season ended. Let me be crystal clear. At no point did I say the JAX game was solely TT's fault. But pointing out others' mistakes does not absolve TT of his. My opinion of TT differs from most. I think he's a good QB. But he has his limits. I think he is better then most TT detractors do and I think he is worse then most TT supporters. The JAX game was a game that BUF needed TT to step up, and he didn't. That is TT encapsulated. It's rare to be able to point to a game and say "Yeah, TT lost that one for us." But, at the same time, it is equally rare to be able to point to a game and say "Yeah, TT won that one for us."
BadLandsMeanie Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 24 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: What a fallacy and another made up narrative. Can you give me the number of games in which the Bills were trailing late in the 4th by one score while Tyrod was here? While you are at it tell me Aaron Rodgers record when trailing late in the 4th. No Scott. Im not going to do a bunch of busy work for you. It was plain to see a number of times. If you watched and remembered, you would know that. So I am not going top waste my time researching the specific instances just to prove reality to you. You will just carry on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about how you were right about Tyrod and that most all of the fans (at this point), the press, and the Bills coaching staff are all wrong. And you are right. Tyrod is a decent starter, because you say so. I know that is how it will go so no point in trying to change your mind.
PromoTheRobot Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 29 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: They can surround him with 10 future HOFers and psychically channel Bill Walsh to draw up the game plans... ...and Tyrod will still be afraid to throw the G.D. ball. Well we'll see, won't we? Tyrod led the #7 offense in the NFL before they sat him in 2016. Of course he has had Woods and Watkins to throw to then.
Tyrod's friend Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, The Red King said: Not to state the obvious or talk down to you...then you do just that. First sign someone is losing a debate is when they start relying more on insults then points. Sorry, not going to drop to your level. Well, maybe a little... Okay, with that out of the way... Watch the JAX game again. He had receivers wide open and didn't throw to them. The throws he did make beyond dump-off distance were in the dirt or behind his receivers. That is not the fault of anyone else. That's all on TT. He is baseline, mediocre. He is good enough to stabilize a bad team, but when the team needed to lean on him to win a game for them (Panthers, Bengals, Jags...), he simply can't do it. Now, if you'd like to continue on with an intellegent, civil discussion of the matter, I'm game. If you'd prefer to just talk down to me and hurl insults, sorry...not my style. Stay frosty! How in the world do you interpret what I wrote as "talking down to you"? If you were insulted, then before we go any further please take your mother's dress off. Jezus. And losing a debate? It would help if you responded to any one of my points, which you didn't. That's a debate. But I'll go ahead and respond to yours. The Jacksonville game was one game. Against one of the better defenses in football, the Bills took the field with Deonte Thompson as the only WR, with a group of 3 TEs as starters. One of the starters was a converted QB. Shady had a run of 25 yards, but beyond that he was 18 for 50. Taylor himself was injured during the game but he played on. Other than Charles Clay, there wasn't a single, reasonable wide receiver on the field, with no output from the running game and Tyrod was playing his first playoff game, on the road, against the #1 passing defense in football. And again, he injured his leg during the game. Tough game for him and his passes were all over the field. Not quite Blake Bortles bad, but bad. Tell you what. You give an argument for how the Bills set him up for success, gave him the tools, a fine offensive coordinator and QB coach, a great game plan and an experienced pair of offensive tackles so he could set up in the backfield with confidence. And I'll happily point out that they tried to get a running QB to stay in the pocket, took away his deep threat - which really is one of his best assets, and saddled him with some miserable play calling. Cheers. 1
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