Tyrod Taylor turning heads in Cleveland.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

9 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

 

The 8 drives that end in 2 INTs, 3 punts, 1 FG and 2 TDs would be the better drives.

 

Both drives, however, would indicate that the QB sucks.

I love how “examples” are used to try to make someone look good.  

 

Like this one.  

[PromoTheRobot]

30 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

True -- but we are clearly discussing Tyrod's production as a QB and his contribution to that "7th ranked offense".

 

The reality is that the guy contributed very little as a passer. He's a better-than-average, competent backup QB -- probably in the 35-40 range if you're looking at league QBs as a whole after this upcoming draft. 

 

His greatest attribute as a QB was not in what he was able TO do, but in what he DIDN'T do. At least, that's what all you Team Tyrod guys say. 

 

Correct -- I have been focused on that end result this whole time.  

 

The two occurrences ultimately have the same end result. 

 

 

Now, back to the curious case of Tyrod Taylor... which is generally better?

 

8 drives that end in 8 punts or 8 drives that end in 2 INTs, 3 punts, 1 FG, 2 TDs?

 

 

Well I guess we'll have to wait and see how Tyrod looks throwing to actual NFL wide receivers instead of practice squad rejects.

 

As for how much credit Tyrod gets for leading the #7 scoring offense in 2016, you are being disingenuous when you try to argue that because Taylor was lacking in one category that he made no impact. His unique skills made him a challenge to defend and forced teams to adjust to him. The fact the Bills misused him and gutted his receiver corps are not Taylor's shortcomings but a handicap forced on him by coaching staffs that lacked imagination and the ability to get out of their own ways.

Edited April 21, 2018 by PromoTheRobot

[Kirby Jackson]

59 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

And then you have Tyrod with the other 22% of those games, haha. 

 

The point I'm making here is this -- yes, obviously you want to avoid turnovers. But that's only really valuable if you are throwing the ball, gaining 1st downs, and scoring TDs. 

 

If you are artificially avoiding turnovers by not putting passes in places that result in yards, 1st downs, and TDs -- like Tyrod Taylor does -- then that is just as detrimental to your ability to win games as is throwing a bunch of INTs. Taylor actually loses you games, it's just not as obvious.

So, it’s intutitive? Your point might hold true if the Bills didn’t win more than they lost with Tyrod starting. Before you go into some rant about “they won despite him” they lost every game that he hasn’t started the last 3 years until Indy this year. So they barely beat an awful football team, at home, in a blizzard. They have losses to a bad Jets, a bad Jags, a decent Charger and decent Bengals team (at home). The Bills didn’t win “despite” Tyrod. He was (and is) a solid game manager. He’s a guy you can win with (as evidenced by his winning record) but don’t win because of. We are all hoping that the next guy is a guy that you win because of. Your constant lumping of Tyrod in with the other scrubs is why people always go at you. Let it go or continue to absorb facts disputing all of your posts. 

Edited April 21, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[K-9]

1 hour ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

What happens when:

 

1. Your QB throws an INT in the end zone and the DB is tackled immediately.

 

2. Your team punts the ball through the back of the end zone.

 

I'll help you out... both opposing offenses will start with the ball on their own 20. 

 

 

The point is that at the end of the day -- regardless of the situation -- the end result is the same: they have the ball and you don't. 

 

 

What was the line of scrimmage when the QB threw the ball? Anything inside the 40 and that INT and touchback just took the offense out of FG range. 

[twoandfourteen]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

So, it’s intutitive? Your point might hold true if the Bills didn’t win more than they lost with Tyrod starting. Before you go into some rant about “they won despite him” they lost every game that he hasn’t started the last 3 years until Indy this year. So they barely beat an awful football team, at home, in a blizzard. They have losses to a bad Jets, a bad Jags, a decent Charger and decent Bengals team (at home). The Bills didn’t win “despite” Tyrod. He was (and is) a solid game manager. He’s a guy you can win with (as evidenced by his winning record) but don’t win because of. We are all hoping that the next guy is a guy that you win because of. Your constant limping of Tyrod in with the other scrubs is why people always go at you. Let it go or continue to absorb facts disputing all of your posts. 

 

Come on, you're better than this. 

 

Taylor's "winning" record is 22-20... and he was .500 up until last season, where there were multiple games that the team won "despite" his poor play. Also, he has never put the team on his back and "willed" them to victory like an actual starting-calibre QB. He sure has lost them a bunch of games, though. 

 

He's exactly what I've been saying he is -- a competent backup. A guy that can give you 2 or 3 wins and hold down the fort if your real starter goes down for 4 or 5 games. 

[teef]

And now this thread has evolved from being angry, to being bizarre. 

[twoandfourteen]

4 minutes ago, K-9 said:

What was the line of scrimmage when the QB threw the ball? Anything inside the 40 and that INT and touchback just took the offense out of FG range. 

 

Well, if you're inside the 40 then punting isn't an option -- so for this exercise it's not in FG range. 

[JohnC]

9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

So, it’s intutitive? Your point might hold true if the Bills didn’t win more than they lost with Tyrod starting. Before you go into some rant about “they won despite him” they lost every game that he hasn’t started the last 3 years until Indy this year. So they barely beat an awful football team, at home, in a blizzard. They have losses to a bad Jets, a bad Jags, a decent Charger and decent Bengals team (at home). The Bills didn’t win “despite” Tyrod. He was (and is) a solid game manager. He’s a guy you can win with (as evidenced by his winning record) but don’t win because of. We are all hoping that the next guy is a guy that you win because of. Your constant limping of Tyrod in with the other scrubs is why people always go at you. Let it go or continue to absorb facts disputing all of your posts. 

Kirby, I say this with kindness: Let it go! Taylor plays for the Browns and the past is the past. 

 

 

[K-9]

1 minute ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Well, if you're inside the 40 then punting isn't an option -- so for this exercise it's not in FG range. 

OK, thanks for specifying. 

 

What is the LOS and what is the down and distance before the INT was thrown? 

[twoandfourteen]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

And now this thread has evolved from being angry, to being bizarre. 

 

Less than a week to the draft, bro.

 

 

[Ol Dirty B]

What else would Cleveland say? We regret the trade we made a month ago or whatever? This is nothing. We get enough useless news out of the Bills I don't need more from other teams.

[row_33]

6 minutes ago, teef said:

And now this thread has evolved from being angry, to being bizarre. 

 

That’s the genius of it.

[Teddy KGB]

21 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Well I guess we'll have to wait and see how Tyrod looks throwing to actual NFL wide receivers instead of practice squad rejects.

 

As for how much credit Tyrod gets for leading the #7 scoring offense in 2016, you are being disingenuous when you try to argue that because Taylor was lacking in one category that he made no impact. His unique skills made him a challenge to defend and forced teams to adjust to him. The fact the Bills misused him and gutted his receiver corps are not Taylor's shortcomings but a handicap forced on him by coaching staffs that lacked imagination and the ability to get out of their own ways.

 

 

This is it.         Just get Badol, ScottLaw, and Hemet to sign the bottom and we have the constitution of the COT.   

 

Clear, concise, and chock full of excuses ???

 

Gilleslie and McCoy should have given half their checks to Taylor for helping them run. 

 

 

Edited April 21, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[4thandGoal]

I am hoping he does great and he has a great chance to show what he is worth as they will booster that line and they will have weapons for him....and i hope we beat him in thr AFC championship game

[Kirby Jackson]

46 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Come on, you're better than this. 

 

Taylor's "winning" record is 22-20... and he was .500 up until last season, where there were multiple games that the team won "despite" his poor play. Also, he has never put the team on his back and "willed" them to victory like an actual starting-calibre QB. He sure has lost them a bunch of games, though. 

 

He's exactly what I've been saying he is -- a competent backup. A guy that can give you 2 or 3 wins and hold down the fort if your real starter goes down for 4 or 5 games. 

His record was above .500 going into last year. Unless you want to give Matt Cassel credit for taking 1 snap on a trick play (and Tyrod did start anyways). So you’re wrong. 

 

You debating that that he is a solid game manager is why I keep coming at you. There are a million things to support it including his $18M salary. He’s Tannehill or Dalton. We all agree that you can upgrade but to pretend that he is EJ or Losman just makes you look like you have an agenda. There is nothing that supports it. 

[Bakin]

Let’s not forget who helped to lead this team to its first playoff game in 17 years. 

I won’t. 

His name was Tyrod. 

 

He had his moments. 

Without him - we would have been 0-16. 

[twoandfourteen]

31 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

His record was above .500 going into last year. Unless you want to give Matt Cassel credit for taking 1 snap on a trick play (and Tyrod did start anyways). So you’re wrong. 

 

You debating that that he is a solid game manager is why I keep coming at you. There are a million things to support it including his $18M salary. He’s Tannehill or Dalton. We all agree that you can upgrade but to pretend that he is EJ or Losman just makes you look like you have an agenda. There is nothing that supports it. 

 

He's definitely not "Tannehill" or "Dalton". Those are mid-level legitimate starting QBs, Dalton more than Tannehill. They can actually "win" you a game or two with a big throw. Taylor can't, hasn't or won't.

 

All you have to do is go and look at a certain 4th & 12 play in Baltimore from last season to see the difference.  

 

 

Interesting that you bring up JP.... in his only full season as a starter, his numbers looked awfully familiar: 3051 yards, 19 TDs, 190 yds/gm... of course, there were 14 INTs, too. 

 

Taylor's been ~3000 yds/season, ~20 TDs, 201.3 yds/gm..... ~6 INTs/season.

 

Really, the only thing separating Taylor & Losman is 8 INTs, or .5 INTs/gm. 

 

Of course, Tyrod is obviously a better QB than JPL... but he's definitely closer to JP Losman than he is to Andy Dalton. 

 

(By the way, EJ averaged 197.2 yds/gm as a rookie... just saying.)

54 minutes ago, Bakin said:

Let’s not forget who helped to lead this team to its first playoff game in 17 years. 

I won’t. 

His name was Tyrod. 

 

He had his moments. 

Without him - we would have been 0-16. 

 

Which ones?

[buffalobloodfloridahome]

He will be turning stomachs before long with so many missed opportunities down field. You could put Randy Moss and Megatron out there with him and the RB would still catch all the screens he throws. He can't make many throws past 15 yards.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...Jesus the kid is gone....to the chagrin of some as well as the "cheering in the streets" contingent of others......so why the hell re-hash the 35,397 re-hash threads already in the archives?.....SMH......now let's talk about EJ and...............

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

What was the line of scrimmage when the QB threw the ball? Anything inside the 40 and that INT and touchback just took the offense out of FG range. 

 

K-9 has a salient point.  If you're going to categorize a pass on 3rd down as "essentially a punt", you need to exclude the possibility of high-percentage points on 4th down.