BuffaloBillyG Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 44 minutes ago, TC in St. Louis said: Because of what DeShaun Watson did last year....in my opinion everybody is pretending that they aren't going to draft Lamar Jackson. The guy is a stud. Lightning fast, big arm, a defensive coordinator's nightmare. Nobody's talking about him, but I'm thinking he's going early. I don't know about top 5, that seems dumb. But Houston found a STAR in Watson, and Lamar is a faster, more explosive player. According to the internet, Watson ran a 4.66, and Jackson a 4.34. Tyrod was a scary asset as a Bill. His main problem was his tendency to panic in the pocket and not be able to find receivers. But his talent made him a tradable asset and Cleveland's number one guy right now. If the Bills continue to participate in this misdirection, and he's there at 12 say Hello Lamar. Welcome to the Bills. When looking for the next QB remember that Kim Pegula herself stated (and I'll paraphrase) it was a big deal to get to know that guy as he's the face of the franchise. How do you think his visit to Buffalo went? Therein lays your answer. 7 minutes ago, bmur66 said: If the intention was to draft Jackson then who would be better to bring him along than Tyrod? Maybe the Browns want Jackson. Disagree. If you have a QB that uses his legs and has had success there it would make more sense to bring in a pocket passer to bring him along in that area. Just my opinion though.
DrDawkinstein Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, kdiggz said: from before I was born lol Hey man, Paddy Driscoll lead the 1925 Chicago Cardinals to a championship. Boom, get Lamar. 1
Skins Malone Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 I dont see the Bills taking him imo. I think they are looking for a more traditional pocket passer especially after Tyrod. I like Jackson but i worry about injuries with running qbs and jackson has a lean frame. 1
napmaster Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, bmur66 said: If the intention was to draft Jackson then who would be better to bring him along than Tyrod? Maybe the Browns want Jackson. $15M to have Tyrod teach Jackson? No thanks - I'm fine with pick #65 and salary cap relief. 1
chris heff Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, kdiggz said: from before I was born lol Doesn’t change the fact that those two and many others were successful scrambling QBs.
K D Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 1 minute ago, chris heff said: Doesn’t change the fact that those two and many others were successful scrambling QBs. that was a completely different game. since about 2000 it's been a passing league. the successful qb's play from within the pocket and within structure
foreboding Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 Watson was and is a proven WINNER. Anyone who doubted that got sucked into some crud. He proved it in college and now in the pros. Everyone looks dumb for passing on that guy.
Bruce_Stools Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 47 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: I've got no issue with Drafting Lamar at 12 because he is a MUCH better pocket passer than some fans give him credit for. I've said it for over a month now, but the video on him is good about being in the pocket and his accuracy completion % is at 59.1%, just .09% shy of the benchmark 60% most say is needed to be considered a truly viable QB prospect going into the NFL. When you add in the fact that out of the top 6 his receivers had the highest drop rate and as you mentioned his talent and running a Pro Style Offense, there's true promise there. He does need to work on his footwork to avoid the errant throws, but considering all of these QBs have some issues that need to be developed or refined, Lamar Jackson is a tremendous prospect and could be the centerpiece in an NFL Offense with the right coaching staff. .09% shy of 59.19% 1 2
chris heff Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Hey man, Paddy Driscoll lead the 1925 Chicago Cardinals to a championship. Boom, get Lamar. I wasn’t endorsing Jackson, kdiggz stated that no scrambling QB ever had success in the NFL. That statement is patently untrue. 14 minutes ago, kdiggz said: that was a completely different game. since about 2000 it's been a passing league. the successful qb's play from within the pocket and within structure Russell Wilson Edited April 19, 2018 by chris heff
MiltonWaddams Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 1 minute ago, chris heff said: I wasn’t endorsing Jackson, kdiggz stayed that no scrambling QB ever had success in the NFL. That statement is patently untrue. Was Steve Young a "scrambling QB" or just good on the move? Same question applies to Russell Wilson.
BigBuff423 Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bruce_Stools said: .09% shy of 59.19% Yup, you're right....my bad. Quickly typing to make my point and not even considering the math....thanks. 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 38 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I love him but I don’t think the Bills do. I don’t see it as any kind of smokescreen either. I agree. Moreover, although I could be wrong, I think Jackson and his Mom are being intentional about the draft process. If some teams find it "hard to schedule" with him while others find it straightforward, IMO it's not because the Jackson camp can't manage a schedule. It's because Felicia Jones (aka "Mama Kodiak Bear") needs to be persuaded that team's interest aligns with her son's. And I think they want Jackson to go someplace with an established QB, QB coach and OC where he can sit for a bit, and preferably someplace where the coach has a track record of using a QB with a unique skillset mindfully. If I were offering an opinion to the Jackson camp, I would regretfully have to tell them that Buffalo would NOT be that place. 1
Mr. WEO Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 Draft day is going to be like a long anticipated bowel prep for TSW.
Floydboy12 Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) Living in KY I have seen a lot of Lamar. He's an electric athlete who can do things I haven't seen since Vick. But as others have stated, his style will lead him to injury I am afraid. And I agree that the Bills seem to be looking for a traditional drop back passer. They were ready to bench Tyrod for Peterman for gods sake. If the Bills took him at 22 I wouldn't be unhappy. He can be unreal at times. But we would hold our breath each time he took the field waiting for that season ending hit. Edited April 19, 2018 by Floydboy12 1
Skins Malone Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 It would be great to beable to get a qb without having to move up. The Bills could get some great players in this draft. And i do like Jackson alot. I just dont think the Bills take him. Is it true that he was he did very poorly at the white board at the combine? I heard that somewhere but dont know if its actually true
DrDawkinstein Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 13 minutes ago, chris heff said: I wasn’t endorsing Jackson, kdiggz stated that no scrambling QB ever had success in the NFL. That statement is patently untrue. Russell Wilson I know, Im just kiddin around. But I also wont count Tark and Staubach in current conversations. Wilson is a good example, and I've brought him up before to prove my point as well. No other running QBs are as built as thick as Wilson. That has gone far to help him sustain play and not get injured (although it did finally catch up to him recently). Wilson is the best built for the job. Tyrod is second, and he's been nicked up. RG3 and Vick had the same build and both had major injuries. Then to top it all off Jackson is by far the thinnest and frailest of the bunch! Regardless of his ability as a passer, I just dont see Jackson lasting more than 2-3 seasons in this mans league.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 58 minutes ago, kdiggz said: he will be good, if you want that kind of QB. what scrambling QB has ever been successful for long though? let's say he is Mike Vick. ok, was Vick really that great? maybe you can have a couple of good seasons but injuries and failure to develop as a pocket passer and these types of QB's are out of the league quick First to point out that with the analogy to Mike Vick, he did spend 13 years in the league, and while he did miss time in 2 of his first 6 seasons, it was no more and sometimes less, than a number of classic pocket passers such as Sam Bradford and Matt Stafford have missed - Stafford missed significant portions of his first 2 seasons. And then what would you say about Andrew Luck? Vick was also drafted #1 because of his beautiful throwing motion and passing abilities. In his return from "federal vacation", Vick developed into a far better pocket passer. It's undeniable that Lamar Jackson can run, but to think of him as a "scrambling QB" IMO misrepresents him. He didn't pass for as many yards as Josh Rosen this past season (and his So year) because he's a "run first" guy. If you watch film from 2017, it's clear most of the time when Jackson runs, it's a designed run play, and that when he's executing a designed pass play, he moves to set up the pass, not to run. OK, that said....legit questions about Jackson would be how much he handled setting the protections after pre-snap read or any play calling responsibilities; how well he can process and learn the game at the pro level (not because of his Wonderlic, just because of the different expectations and because IIRC Petrino calls things from the sidelines), and whether he'll be able to continue to improve his mechanics at the pro level. Another question would be: there's clearly a family/financial motivation for Jackson, does he love the game and have a fire to be great that will persist, once the financials are set? I have similar questions about Josh Allen's processing abilities and technique (despite his great Wonderlic) and they have nothing to do with his "scrambling" abilities. 1
chris heff Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I know, Im just kiddin around. But I also wont count Tark and Staubach in current conversations. Wilson is a good example, and I've brought him up before to prove my point as well. No other running QBs are as built as thick as Wilson. That has gone far to help him sustain play and not get injured (although it did finally catch up to him recently). Wilson is the best built for the job. Tyrod is second, and he's been nicked up. RG3 and Vick had the same build and both had major injuries. Then to top it all off Jackson is by far the thinnest and frailest of the bunch! Regardless of his ability as a passer, I just dont see Jackson lasting more than 2-3 seasons in this mans league. That maybe true, but the NFL also has a long history of QBs that stand in the pocket like a statue of a Confederate general just waiting to be taken down, like Drew Bledsoe. Those guys also get injured.
K D Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 sure other QB's can get injured too but scrambling QB's are far more likely to get injured. you are putting yourself in harms way on purpose. historically they don't last as long. sure Vick played 13 seasons but how many of them was he any good? the first 2 when he could run maybe. after that he became very average to below average. i'm not a fan of the running type QB's. i think in the NFL you need to be a pocket passer. Jackson is going to have a great start to his career no doubt. if you said which of these QB's is going to be rookie of the year i would put all of my money on Lamar Jackson. i just don't think it is a sustainable model for success 1
DrDawkinstein Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 Just now, chris heff said: That maybe true, but the NFL also has a long history of QBs that stand in the pocket like a statue of a Confederate general just waiting to be taken down, like Drew Bledsoe. Those guys also get injured. Sure, the trick is to find a happy medium. I get injuries can always happen and are impossible to predict, but Im simply not a fan of how thin Jackson's build is. Especially for a guy who is going to choose to tuck and run instead of throwing it away.
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