jahbonas Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Beane moved up to 12 not necessarily to get closer to the top of the draft - he moved because going from 21 to 12 represented the most value (2nd rd pick equivalent) he could acquire for Gordy Glenn. He may very well take the 12th pick and trade back into the 20s and get the extra 2nd rd pick for doing so and let the draft come to him. This draft is deep picking 22 & 28 and then 3 picks in round2 and then 2 in round 3 would be huge. Locking in 7 quality players for 4/5 years on cheap rookie contracts - no way you piss that away Beane didnt trade a 2nd rd pick to move up to 12. He took the best value available to him while unloading Glenn and his big contract - very different. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Possible. I still think we get a QB. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Hot take. We passed on two QBs last year, traded Watkins, Darby, Tyrod, and Glenn to stock up on draft picks with the intent of not drafta QB, and signing Cincinnati's backup QB for the future of the franchise. Stop. They want a QB. 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, jahbonas said: Beane moved up to 12 not necessarily to get closer to the top of the draft - he moved because going from 21 to 12 represented the most value (2nd rd pick equivalent) he could acquire for Gordy Glenn. He may very well take the 12th pick and trade back into the 20s and get the extra 2nd rd pick for doing so and let the draft come to him. This draft is deep picking 22 & 28 and then 3 picks in round2 and then 2 in round 3 would be huge. Locking in 7 quality players for 4/5 years on cheap rookie contracts - no way you piss that away Beane didnt trade a 2nd rd pick to move up to 12. He took the best value available to him while unloading Glenn and his big contract - very different. No guarantee they will be good players. Our most recent 2nd round pick just released a naked blood video. Some of you have fallen in love with these draft picks and built up the prospects in you mind. The Patriots have 2 1st and 2 2nd rd picks and already have way more talent than us. So what will separate us in the post-Brady years? a couple extra picks? or hitting a home run with the QB? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahbonas Posted April 19, 2018 Author Share Posted April 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, r00tabaga said: Possible. I still think we get a QB. Yes we could - and could sit at 12 and take a qb or a slight move up - I'm just pointing out the false narrative put out by wgr/media that Beanes move to 12 showed his setting up for another big move to top 3 for a qb - he just took the best value offered him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, jahbonas said: Beane moved up to 12 not necessarily to get closer to the top of the draft - he moved because going from 21 to 12 represented the most value (2nd rd pick equivalent) he could acquire for Gordy Glenn. He may very well take the 12th pick and trade back into the 20s and get the extra 2nd rd pick for doing so and let the draft come to him. This draft is deep picking 22 & 28 and then 3 picks in round2 and then 2 in round 3 would be huge. Locking in 7 quality players for 4/5 years on cheap rookie contracts - no way you piss that away Beane didnt trade a 2nd rd pick to move up to 12. He took the best value available to him while unloading Glenn and his big contract - very different. No. He traded to 12 to be in a better position to move into top 5. Nothing more, nothing less 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Whatever happens, Beane and McDermott instill more fan confidence than Wrecks, Whaley and Brandon calling the shots for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahbonas Posted April 19, 2018 Author Share Posted April 19, 2018 And because (as you point out) they are not guarantees you mitigate that risk by having more of them - not less. No team in the last 15yrs has traded down more often than the Patriots - they ignore the media myths of 'superstars' and know in the era of salary cap its about getting as many quality players on cheap (rookie deals) contracts as possible... that means multiple 2nd and 3rds over a single 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 minute ago, GG said: No. He traded to 12 to be in a better position to move into top 5. Nothing more, nothing less 100% correct. Phone lines are burning up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 16 minutes ago, jahbonas said: This draft is deep Isit though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 if the bills don't trade up, i'm just going to assume that things didn't work out, and they couldn't trade up. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 minute ago, jahbonas said: And because (as you point out) they are not guarantees you mitigate that risk by having more of them - not less. No team in the last 15yrs has traded down more often than the Patriots - they ignore the media myths of 'superstars' and know in the era of salary cap its about getting as many quality players on cheap (rookie deals) contracts as possible... that means multiple 2nd and 3rds over a single 1 When you're set at the QB* position for nearly 2 decades with a first ballot HoF*, you can give up all your draft picks and still be ahead of the field. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahbonas Posted April 19, 2018 Author Share Posted April 19, 2018 Big QB draft of 1983 - Miami had to settle with Marino at 28 rather than trading the farm to move up for Elway or Kelly. Eli Manning and Phillip Rivers - the poor Steelers had to sit at 10 and take the leftover Big Ben - Gee the Steelers hould have traded the 2 #1 and #2's to go up to get Eli? In 2005 Green Bay should have traded multiple 1's to get up to #1 to take Alex Smith rather than sit and take Aaron Rogers Give any QB quality line and coaching and things work out well - most 'busted' QBs are a result of that not happening 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 I don't think you understand the word myth. Just because you have a different take on what the bills motivates might be doesnt make it a myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, jahbonas said: Big QB draft of 1983 - Miami had to settle with Marino at 28 rather than trading the farm to move up for Elway or Kelly. Eli Manning and Phillip Rivers - the poor Steelers had to sit at 10 and take the leftover Big Ben - Gee the Steelers hould have traded the 2 #1 and #2's to go up to get Eli? In 2005 Green Bay should have traded multiple 1's to get up to #1 to take Alex Smith rather than sit and take Aaron Rogers Give any QB quality line and coaching and things work out well - most 'busted' QBs are a result of that not happening Sure, use outlier cases to make your point. That always works. Let me ask you this. Should Tom Donahoe have tried harder to trade into #7 spot to draft Ben R when he couldn't strike a deal with Jags or Texans? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, jahbonas said: Big QB draft of 1983 - Miami had to settle with Marino at 28 rather than trading the farm to move up for Elway or Kelly. Eli Manning and Phillip Rivers - the poor Steelers had to sit at 10 and take the leftover Big Ben - Gee the Steelers hould have traded the 2 #1 and #2's to go up to get Eli? In 2005 Green Bay should have traded multiple 1's to get up to #1 to take Alex Smith rather than sit and take Aaron Rogers Give any QB quality line and coaching and things work out well - most 'busted' QBs are a result of that not happening The Eli/Rivers/Ben draft, The team that got the leftovers was the Bills with JP Big difference in the fortunes of those franchises huh? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahbonas Posted April 19, 2018 Author Share Posted April 19, 2018 Myth is it SHOWS/PROVES that he wants to move up for a qb - thats not true - it only proved he wanted the best value for Glenn If Beane had traded a #2 to move up to 12 - then yes that would have shown/proven he wanted to get in better position. But he didnt trade a 2nd rd pick to move up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 They are after a QB end of story myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 i can't believe that with years of uncertainty at the qb position, some people are scared to aggressively go after one. i understand there is no guarantee that trading up will mean a star is taken, but if the bills have a guy they've identified as, "their guy" i hope they do all they can to get him. enough is enough here. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahbonas Posted April 19, 2018 Author Share Posted April 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, GG said: Sure, use outlier cases to make your point. That always works. Let me ask you this. Should Tom Donahoe have tried harder to trade into #7 spot to draft Ben R when he couldn't strike a deal with Jags or Texans? Yes he should have - he should not have traded up to 1 or 2 and sell the farm in doing so - a slight move up for a player makes sense and doesnt give away the farm What he shouldnt have done is trade away following year's number 1 to get his qb - Losman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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