thurst44 Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Until contract time when solid players get grossly overpaid or walk. Whaley and Rex bought high on a low ceiling high floor prospect and Shaq will either walk or get paid far too much for his decent JAG status. Nice job. Again, no, at least not according to scouts, analysts or draftniks. This wasn't a Rex and Whaley reach, and I don't know why people seem to NEED that narrative. He was a top 20 prospect universally who so far has not busted, but has not panned out. And at times he has even done what was expected (see nfl.com scouting report below) to do well, set the edge against the run. It's year two, and he''s been injured. I'm excited to see what Hughes, Shaq, Murphy, and Yarbrough are able to do in the second year of McDermott's defense, especially if Star works out the way they plan (which is an if) and takes away the QBs outs and staunches the runs up the middle. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/shaq-lawson?id=2555252 https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/04/04/nfl-draft-scouting-report-shaq-lawson-clemson
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 (edited) Plan for Shaq is let him play out his contract and then let him go or re-sign as if value. Reminds me of Leon Seals Edited May 5, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood
26CornerBlitz Posted May 5, 2018 Author Posted May 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Plan for Shaq is let him play out his contract and then let him go or re-sign as if value. Reminds me of Leon Seals But he was "Dr. Sack". 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: But he was "Dr. Sack". In college- in the pros he was more of a nurse practitioner... 1
frostbitmic Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 Shaq and Hughes led the team in sacks with 4 each, both are good against the run and Shaq is younger and cheaper. I don't see any reason to cut or trade Lawson.
BringBackOrton Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 9 minutes ago, thurst44 said: Again, no, at least not according to scouts, analysts or draftniks. This wasn't a Rex and Whaley reach, and I don't know why people seem to NEED that narrative. He was a top 20 prospect universally who so far has not busted, but has not panned out. And at times he has even done what was expected (see nfl.com scouting report below) to do well, set the edge against the run. It's year two, and he''s been injured. I'm excited to see what Hughes, Shaq, Murphy, and Yarbrough are able to do in the second year of McDermott's defense, especially if Star works out the way they plan (which is an if) and takes away the QBs outs and staunches the runs up the middle. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/shaq-lawson?id=2555252 https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/04/04/nfl-draft-scouting-report-shaq-lawson-clemson I don't care that he was top 20. Plenty of players go in the first round with low ceilings. Shaq is a JAG. And it's not year two, its year three. We lost a year because of the botched shoulder decision. Which means after this year, we decide on his option. Are you gonna pick up his option if he puts up 6 sacks this year (a career year for him)? I wouldn't. So let's recap. Pick #19 for 3 years of a JAG rotational DE. That's a whiff, no matter how you spin it.
Green Lightning Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 1 hour ago, JohnC said: I'm not sure that you can appreciably improve your first step. You either have that initial burst or you don't. That doesn't mean that he can't improve as a player but his physical abilities are what they are. My sense of him as a player is that he can be a solid player but not a major impact player. I'm fine with that. I don't know about that, Lorax got better with age. Shaq has worked on his body so let's see what happens this year. You may be right.
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 My goal: threesome with Margot Robbie and Adriana Lima, afterwards they each Venmo $1 million each. personally, I think mine is more realistic. But aim for the ? Shaq.
BringBackOrton Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: I don't know about that, Lorax got better with age. Shaq has worked on his body so let's see what happens this year. You may be right. Did Lorax truly get better or did he have a fluke season? Look at his sack to pressure ratio. It was ridiculously lopsided. He was not a consistent pass rusher as much as he was an opportunist.
BringBackOrton Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: First sentence says he is a polarizing player in the locker room. But then doesn't really give any examples of such. Sure he has been a bit of a bust up to this point in terms of production and availability but does that alone make one polarizing in the locker room? Polarizing in the locker room is a bad sign. If guys don't like him because they know he's a bust, that's a problem.
boyst Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 I want to buy some stock in Lawson. The guy is talented. I believe we can do something with him 1
Rubes Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 Guys like Shaq (and I would also say Hughes) are talented football players, but not the kind that dominate, change offensive game plans, and open up opportunities for other players. They are more the kind of players that can flourish when there is another dominant player on the line, like a Mario Williams. Hughes can wreak havoc when someone like Mario is drawing attention away from him, and I suspect Shaq could develop into that. But without that other player, they struggle, because they are not at that level. As such, I don't think either one is worthy of a 1st round pick.
thurst44 Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: I don't care that he was top 20. Plenty of players go in the first round with low ceilings. Shaq is a JAG. And it's not year two, its year three. We lost a year because of the botched shoulder decision. Which means after this year, we decide on his option. Are you gonna pick up his option if he puts up 6 sacks this year (a career year for him)? I wouldn't. So let's recap. Pick #19 for 3 years of a JAG rotational DE. That's a whiff, no matter how you spin it. No, first off, it's not a whiff, because no one can see what happens in year three. Let's let it play out instead of blaming him for a bad year that hasn't happened yet. No matter how you spin it, that third season has NOT happened yet. If he's stopping the run (as is his skill set), and gets six sacks, and we have a top 10 defense, I would consider picking up his option. Or...see if we can sign him to an extension. In any case, that would be 4 years with him, but that's not the point. Finally, I wasn't saying he was a top 20 pick, but that he was evaluated as a top 20 talent. I may have misread your post a bit though (as low ceiling, low floor), so apologize for that. However, people here often imply he was a pick that was with foresight an obvious bad pick, when as you say, he was a safe pick, and based on expectations of where he was to be drafted, it's understandable that we might want to take a guy who was rated much higher than the pick we were at. Right now, I just don't get the rush to be rid of this guy. He was expected by some to be drafted top 10 for a reason, and he's going into season 3. If McD's plan works, an edge rusher that's great at stopping the run and gets 5+ sacks could be ideal (and would not be "just a guy").
thurst44 Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 56 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: But he was "Dr. Sack". I grew up a Bills fan in NYC (my family is from Buffalo) and was a vocal enough fan that most sports fans in my high school knew it. We drafted Seals my freshman year, and my classmate Kenyatta, a huge NFL fan--Steelers fan if memory serves, talked to me for an entire Spanish class about how we had got the steal of the draft with Leon Seals, so from that point, while he had a decent run with the Bills, he could never live up to the hype in my mind for Dr. Sack.
26CornerBlitz Posted May 5, 2018 Author Posted May 5, 2018 1 minute ago, thurst44 said: I grew up a Bills fan in NYC (my family is from Buffalo) and was a vocal enough fan that most sports fans in my high school knew it. We drafted Seals my freshman year, and my classmate Kenyatta, a huge NFL fan--Steelers fan if memory serves, talked to me for an entire Spanish class about how we had got the steal of the draft with Leon Seals, so from that point, while he had a decent run with the Bills, he could never live up to the hype in my mind for Dr. Sack. He was a pretty decent player, but it was kind of ironic that he had that nickname while playing with Bruce.
US Egg Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 12 hours ago, billsfan89 said: he might have been a one year wonder in college Exactly, a one year wonder in college and so far a two year blunder for the Bills courtesy of Wrecks.
Green Lightning Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 5 hours ago, jmc12290 said: Did Lorax truly get better or did he have a fluke season? Look at his sack to pressure ratio. It was ridiculously lopsided. He was not a consistent pass rusher as much as he was an opportunist. Really doesn't matter. It's all about results. I'll take results any day.
Wayne Arnold Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 6 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: My goal: threesome with Margot Robbie and Adriana Lima, afterwards they each Venmo $1 million each. personally, I think mine is more realistic. But aim for the ? Shaq.
Success Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 People are always too quick to throw the bust label out there. We we really have no idea how good Shaq can be. He has had some bad luck, but he’s healthy now. He could easily be a real force out there this year. 1
BringBackOrton Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 50 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: Really doesn't matter. It's all about results. I'll take results any day. Pressures can be as effective as sacks, and even sometimes more effective. That's a result.
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