HappyDays Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 I see Darnold as Philip Rivers with more mobility. His downside is Mark Sanchez and his upside is Aaron Rodgers. 2
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) On 4/19/2018 at 2:27 PM, kdiggz said: I think because of 1) durable 2) makes plays outside of structure 3) youngest (untapped potential) 4) high floor, won't be a bust so it's a safe pick I think if you got into the nuts and bolts with these guys they would admit he is not the best QB in the draft. he is just a very nice player and a safe pick Expand He is a nice player and reasonably safe. And, that is why Josh Allen is no go for me if Rosen, Mayfield and Darnold are available. You can win Super Bowls with guys who aren't necessarily the biggest, strongest- armed guys, protypical QBs. On 4/19/2018 at 2:27 PM, TheFunPolice said: The Darnold/Stafford comparisons make some sense to me... Stafford throws for a billion yards but also turns it over a lot. I think coaching can correct that a bit, though. Expand They seem somewhat similar personality wise too. Edited April 19, 2018 by horned dogs
K D Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) On 4/19/2018 at 2:32 PM, horned dogs said: He is a nice player and reasonably safe. And, that is why Josh Allen is no go for me if Rosen, Mayfield and Darnold are available. You can win Super Bowls with guys who aren't necessarily the biggest, strongest- armed guys, protypical QBs. Expand with some of the other guys you are definitely trying to manage risk. any of those other guys can be great but there's also a higher chance they will be busts. the reasons given for Rosen don't bother me. Mayfield, it's his size. with Allen it's about 10 different things. i think it's really hard to try and predict what they will be. that's why i lean a little more towards what they are now. Rosen is the best now imo Edited April 19, 2018 by kdiggz 1
whatdrought Posted April 19, 2018 Author Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 2:38 PM, kdiggz said: with some of the other guys you are definitely trying to manage risk. any of those other guys can be great but there's also a higher chance they will be busts. the reasons given for Rosen don't bother me. Mayfield, it's his size. with Allen it's about 10 different things. i think it's really hard to try and predict what they will be. that's why i lean a little more towards what they are now. Rosen is the best now imo Expand Rosen (seems to me) is one big hit away from broken. When I look at him, he just looks tiny. Are there any small (210 at 6'3) drop back QB's who have survived? Especially Since I've read that he struggles with getting rid of the ball when need be. I think that his character concerns aren't a huge deal, but the question of "does he need football" is a valid one when you consider his injury history.
K D Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) On 4/19/2018 at 2:43 PM, whatdrought said: Rosen (seems to me) is one big hit away from broken. When I look at him, he just looks tiny. Are there any small (210 at 6'3) drop back QB's who have survived? Especially Since I've read that he struggles with getting rid of the ball when need be. I think that his character concerns aren't a huge deal, but the question of "does he need football" is a valid one when you consider his injury history. Expand he's 226, he's bigger than Darnold and much bigger than Mayfield from the combine: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/josh-rosen?id=32462018-0002-5600-59bd-f150d938ca3e https://www.nfl.com/prospects/sam-darnold?id=32462018-0002-5600-578a-86541c8f8891 almost an inch taller than Darnold, a few pounds heavier, longer arms, bigger hands Edited April 19, 2018 by kdiggz 1
What a Tuel Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 You guys gotta stop talking about QBs. I am consistently clicking on this damn thread thinking there's a new rumor. 1
BillsGuru4 Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 2:45 PM, What a Tuel said: You guys gotta stop talking about QBs. I am consistently clicking on this damn thread thinking there's a new rumor. Expand Haha!
whatdrought Posted April 19, 2018 Author Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) On 4/19/2018 at 2:44 PM, kdiggz said: he's 226, he's bigger than Darnold and much bigger than Mayfield Expand I stand corrected. I was quoting a bad source. Here are their combine measurements: Rosen: 6'4, 226lbs Darnold: 6'3, 220lbs Mayfield: 6'1, 215lbs That being said, I still would say that Rosen is smaller than those two given the height to weight ration and the fact alone that his build is much more "frail" or "slight" (which is pretty evident in pictures/exactly what Daniel Jeremiah said on RE show yesterday.) Rosen also has (unless I am mistaken) missed significant time with concussions, which is worrisome. I did look up stats about sacks and it looks as if Rosen and Mayfield were both sacked 26 times last year, and Darnold was sacked 29 times. So I could be wrong in my idea that Rosen gets hit more. Edited April 19, 2018 by whatdrought
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 2:27 PM, Coach Tuesday said: Really? To me they couldn't be more different. Stafford is all arm - he seems to lack a feel for the game and game situations. Rarely comes up big with the game on the line. Darnold has bad mechanics but, despite that, his ball placement is the best in this class. And he's a natural leader, which Stafford really isn't. Expand Really?? Stafford has 32 career game winning drives (7th among active QBs, and nobody else in the top 10 is from 2009 or later) and he has 26 4th Quarter comebacks (T-4th among active QBs, and nobody else in the top 10 is from 2009 or later).
whatdrought Posted April 19, 2018 Author Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 2:52 PM, BuffaloHokie13 said: Really?? Stafford has 32 career game winning drives (7th among active QBs, and nobody else in the top 10 is from 2009 or later) and he has 26 4th Quarter comebacks (T-4th among active QBs, and nobody else in the top 10 is from 2009 or later). Expand Yeah... Stafford is a stud with the game on his shoulders. Detroit should be in the running for the big dance every year, except that they seem incapable of providing a defense and a run game for Stafford to work with...
K D Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 2:51 PM, whatdrought said: That being said, I still would say that Rosen is much smaller than those two given the height to weight ration and the fact alone that his build is much more "frail" or "slight" (which is pretty evident in pictures/exactly what Daniel Jeremiah said on RE show yesterday.) Rosen also has (unless I am mistaken) missed significant time with concussions, which is worrisome. Expand he's 21, he can gain some size. when i was 21 i could eat whatever i wanted and i stayed skinny. now it's VERY easy to gain weight lol. the concussions are an issue but i also think in the NFL they protect the QB's a lot better and he will learn to throw the ball away to stay safe like what Tom Brady is able to do
whatdrought Posted April 19, 2018 Author Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) On 4/19/2018 at 2:54 PM, kdiggz said: he's 21, he can gain some size. when i was 21 i could eat whatever i wanted and i stayed skinny. now it's VERY easy to gain weight lol. the concussions are an issue but i also think in the NFL they protect the QB's a lot better and he will learn to throw the ball away to stay safe like what Tom Brady is able to do Expand You could definitely be right. (though I have yet to see them protect a Bills QB) I really don't know about Rosen. My ranking is: Mayfield* Rosen & Darnold Allen (though I have a sneaky feeling he could be great) Rudolph Jackson * I even go back and forth on Mayfield because I, as a rule, prefer guys who use their play to talk for them, so his attitude concerns me a bit (just personally), but I think he has a passion that will serve him well. If the bills take Rosen, he will be our guy and I will love it. Also, I was thinking the other day that Rosen might be nice because his political leanings and attitude is bound to get us some attention, which can be nice. Edited April 19, 2018 by whatdrought
YoloinOhio Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 I am listening to the John Dorsey press conference. He is so incredibly abrasive. Ok they are definitely taking Darnold. He just went on about the importance of hand size and specifically said that Darnold’s hands were worrisome because of the Cleveland weather. Ok Buddy Nix.
Roundybout Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 3:30 PM, YoloinOhio said: I am listening to the John Dorsey press conference. He is so incredibly abrasive. Ok they are definitely taking Darnold. He just went on about the importance of hand size and specifically said that Darnold’s hands were worrisome because of the Cleveland weather. Ok Buddy Nix. Expand Is this good or bad? I don't even remember now.
What a Tuel Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 3:39 PM, BillsEnthusiast said: Is this good or bad? I don't even remember now. Expand Good if you think that means the Giants would be willing to trade. Bad if you think that means the Giants are stuck on Barkley.
YoloinOhio Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 3:39 PM, BillsEnthusiast said: Is this good or bad? I don't even remember now. Expand No idea anymore he also said he is very open to trading. Said his phone is charged up and he expects talks to heat up on draft day
K D Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 Allen has big hands and a strong arm. He's going to Cleveland! 1
Coach Tuesday Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 3:30 PM, YoloinOhio said: I am listening to the John Dorsey press conference. He is so incredibly abrasive. Ok they are definitely taking Darnold. He just went on about the importance of hand size and specifically said that Darnold’s hands were worrisome because of the Cleveland weather. Ok Buddy Nix. Expand Why go to those lengths to lie if you have the top pick?
YoloinOhio Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 3:46 PM, kdiggz said: Allen has big hands and a strong arm. He's going to Cleveland! Expand Smokescreen .. why would he be so obvious with his statement?
Recommended Posts