formerlyofCtown Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 She is a porn star, how much more credibility do you need. Perhaps she can find a crackhead to collaborate her testimony.
cle23 Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said: This. Cleveland still has more draft picks than a 1-31 team can absorb. They need veterans who know how to win more than they need a bunch of talented rookies who get swallowed up by the losing culture. Tyrod was a good start for them. If I’m Cleveland, I take a QB at 1 who sits for a year, then trade pick 4 to the Bills for a 1st rounder next year and Shady. Tyrod, Shady and a decent defense can get 8 wins and get them on road to respectability. It would take more than a 1st next year a McCoy for #4. McCoy is a soon to be 30 year old RB. Take Barkley at 4 for that.
4merper4mer Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 1 minute ago, formerlyofCtown said: She is a porn star, how much more credibility do you need. Perhaps she can find a crackhead to collaborate her testimony. Well that's informative but whoever she is I wouldn't draft her and I certainly wouldn't trade up. OTOH maybe she would attract Gronk.
3rdand12 Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: This. Cleveland still has more draft picks than a 1-31 team can absorb. They need veterans who know how to win more than they need a bunch of talented rookies who get swallowed up by the losing culture. Tyrod was a good start for them. If I’m Cleveland, I take a QB at 1 who sits for a year, then trade pick 4 to the Bills for a 1st rounder next year and Shady. Tyrod, Shady and a decent defense can get 8 wins and get them on road to respectability. hate to admit it. but not a bad thought from a BIll's Fan perspective. I am happy to trade next years first. I do not want to trade LM though. but for that deal. heck ya Not Beane/Pegula move though.
BuffaloRebound Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 14 minutes ago, cle23 said: It would take more than a 1st next year a McCoy for #4. McCoy is a soon to be 30 year old RB. Take Barkley at 4 for that. No it wouldn’t. Barkley isnt getting past the Giants. So Cleveland could either take Chubb or get a 2019 1st rounder and Shady. What are the odds both Chubb and Garrett are on the Browns in 4 years? Chubb is either a bust or you can’t afford to pay both Chubb and Garrett in 4 years. McCoy has 1-2 good years left and immediately changes the losing stench in the locker room.
Reed83HOF Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: Because they don’t have another offer close to that and are still getting the guy that they were taking? It is about the players at this point and not the numbers. If the Bills took Darnold, the Giants take Barkley, the Jets Baker, the Browns take Allen, the Browns can use some of those assets to come back up to 5 even. 12, 35 and 65 would do it for sure. So the Browns would get Allen and Chubb and turn 35 into 22 and 53. Again, this assumes Allen is their guy. Why wouldn’t they do that? They could always ways turn around and use some of the assets to go to 2 if they are worried about the Jets. The Browns and Bills are the power brokers in this draft. The Browns can stay put and walk out with Allen and Chubb and still have 33, 35, 64 (or whatever). They could also get creative and get Allen, Chubb, 22 and 53. It depends how confident they are in the draft playing out in a certain manner. There are a few givens though. The Browns and Jets are taking QBs in the top 4. If the Bills move up, they are as well. The Giants probably (not a given) take Barkley (especially if Darnold is gone). If they take Chubb (the only other realistic option IMO) the Browns will get Barkley. The top 4 (with no trades) is 2 QBs, Barkley and Chubb. If the Browns move down (or anyone does) the top 4 will be 3 QBs and Chubb OR Barkley. The Broncos at 5 and Colts at 6 are both open for business. By relinquishing a couple of assets you can get up there to grab the other one. That’s the exact reason that the Bills have leverage. They can go to 5 or 6 and get Rosen at a fraction of the price (and still a price no one else will pay). The Bills can give up 12, 53 for Rosen or 12, 22, 53, 65 and a 2019 2nd for Darnold. The Browns aren’t holding them at gunpoint (and no one else is even close). So back to your original question, the Browns take it because they get more prime picks and the same guy. Either that or they just take the guy at 1. I think that we’d both agree Allen, Chubb, 22 and 53 is better than Allen, Chubb & 35. It’s just a matter of taking a little risk (basically that the Giants and Jets don’t take Allen). Seeing the Colts want more picks and are looking to trade down from 6; getting scooped by the Jets for #3 isn't looking too good right now... 1
Bing Bong Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 Odell is my fave. Giants could unload him for a good deal. Sure he can sit for the Giants but if he moves teams, he has a one year prove it deal to get payday and we're going to see the one of the best receivers playing at his best. And I hate Odell. Just like a cheap 1 year rookie deal, and who knows, he gells with any mediocre qb we trot out, we can clear some space. I don't think any team is going to give him some QB contract anyway.
cle23 Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: No it wouldn’t. Barkley isnt getting past the Giants. So Cleveland could either take Chubb or get a 2019 1st rounder and Shady. What are the odds both Chubb and Garrett are on the Browns in 4 years? Chubb is either a bust or you can’t afford to pay both Chubb and Garrett in 4 years. McCoy has 1-2 good years left and immediately changes the losing stench in the locker room. You are crazy. I'll take Garrett and Chubb for 5 years and deal with contracts then. Bookend franchise pass rushers for 5 years is a great problem to have. No one trades much for a 30 year old RB, let alone a top 4 pick. Edited April 18, 2018 by cle23 2
BillsFan17 Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 28 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: No it wouldn’t. Barkley isnt getting past the Giants. So Cleveland could either take Chubb or get a 2019 1st rounder and Shady. What are the odds both Chubb and Garrett are on the Browns in 4 years? Chubb is either a bust or you can’t afford to pay both Chubb and Garrett in 4 years. McCoy has 1-2 good years left and immediately changes the losing stench in the locker room. No team in the history of the league has ever looked at their roster and said, we have too many pass rushers. You draft who can best help your football team and worry about contracts later.
ddaryl Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Here's the link to what I posted earlier If every team is in agreement and every team gets the player they covet the overall cost should come down some. Big if, and if it will be one of the biggest trades in NFL history... But until it happens its all just rumor 2
dlonce Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 The Cleveland fan is stuck on value and that’s understandable. Hes not understanding that if the Browns really want Allen and Chubb and moving down a bit gets them those two players anyway then it’s a very good deal. If the Browns truly want Darnold and Barkley or even Darnold then the deals not happening. Why would Cleveland do this? Because it makes complete sense to acquire high draft assets while getting the same players you would have selected anyway,sans maybe Barkley. If the Broncos are included then I agree with the Cleveland guy,there’s a risk you lose both Barkley and Chubb and don’t do this deal. Been interesting,let’s see where these rumors take us.
PIZ Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 Who are we kidding? We're not getting a whiff at Sam Darnold. We will be lucky to get Rudolph or Lauletta. 1
K D Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 Just now, ddaryl said: If every team is in agreement and every team gets the player they covet the overall cost should come down some. Big if, and if it will be one of the biggest trades in NFL history... But until it happens its all just rumor Daniel Jeremiah is on tomorrow's show. I wonder if Rich asks him about it. He was the first one to tweet about the rumor and Bucky joined in. It makes sense for all teams if you can truly trust each other and work together on this. Everybody wins. It's a crazy trade but it's also a unique situation where 2 of the GM's worked together every day for 4 yrs and the other GM has already participated in 2 big trades with the Bills in the past year 1
BillsFan17 Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 1 minute ago, PIZ said: Who are we kidding? We're not getting a whiff at Sam Darnold. We will be lucky to get Rudolph or Lauletta. Wrong on multiple counts.
PIZ Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 Just now, BillsFan17 said: Wrong on multiple counts. I hope you're right.
Bills4life1924 Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 20 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: ^^^THIS^^^ 1
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