Should The Bills Let Richie Incognito Out Of His Contract

[Robert James]

2 hours ago, ALF said:

Richie was great his last 3 seasons , even did his best to learn a complex blocking scheme last season. So they rewarded that effort with a pay cut . That was a real insult. 

 

He negotiated and agreed to the pay cut.  If he found it insulting he could have simply turned the Bills down.  That they offered him a deal he now wishes he hadn't accepted is hardly bad conduct by the Bills. 

 

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

It's not a two way street though. Richie earned a new contract and that wasn't honored. 

 

I always have a hard time siding with teams over these things because of the way they treat players in relation to other sports. Richie plays good, earns a contract extension. A couple years later, they say, nevermind I don't want to pay that. It's just so warped to me, so all of you who say Richie should honor the contract he signed, the Bills didn't do that first. 

 

So when the Bills do this it's just the nature of the business, and when a player does it they get called all sorts of names, told their spoiled and to be happy with what they make now. All these teams are making way more money than any player and turn around and ask for money back from the players, and the public. They are the spoiled ones.

 

I'm not the biggest fan of Richie personally, it just happens he's in a situation where I tend to side with the player. 

 

Then your not smart. If you tend to side with the player. 

 

This was a negotiated pay cut. It was negotiated and signed by the TEAM and PLAYER 

 

cutting said player would fit into your scenario of honoring the contract 

[Ol Dirty B]

46 minutes ago, napmaster said:

 

There's a reasonable expectation that you will do an even better job next year based on last year's experience, and would likely deserve to be paid more, not less.  That's the real world, not professional sports.

 

I think it's a reasonable expectation that RI would have played at a lower level this coming season based on his age and with EW retiring.  Beane made him a fair offer and he agreed to it and put pen to paper.

 

 

But you're giving the team a pass. It's not like age is a random thing, they knew how old he'd be. I understand it wasn't Beanes contract, and maybe he'll prove me wrong. But teams seem to never plan on the one thing that is certain regarding players, not health, productivity, scheme fit, supporting cast... But age. You know a guy is getting older. Don't say we'll pay you X dollars on the front end when you're 34, then when we hit 34, say... actually, we're just gonna give you this.

 

It's league wide, but it's scummy.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

But you're giving the team a pass. It's not like age is a random thing, they knew how old he'd be. I understand it wasn't Beanes contract, and maybe he'll prove me wrong. But teams seem to never plan on the one thing that is certain regarding players, not health, productivity, scheme fit, supporting cast... But age. You know a guy is getting older. Don't say we'll pay you X dollars on the front end when you're 34, then when we hit 34, say... actually, we're just gonna give you this.

 

It's league wide, but it's scummy.

 

Team approaches player says we need to relook your contract. 

 

NEGOTIATION between PLAYER and TEAM started. 

 

Now 35 year old OG takes some Guaranteed Money upfront but overall lowers his pay. 

 

PLAYER signs it. 

 

How is that a team not honoring the contract again???

[Ol Dirty B]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

Then your not smart. If you tend to side with the player. 

 

This was a negotiated pay cut. It was negotiated and signed by the TEAM and PLAYER 

 

cutting said player would fit into your scenario of honoring the contract 

 

I agree. Fine cut him. I believe he would have made more money. 

 

I'd just rather the NFL have guaranteed contracts like the other major professional sports in North America. 

[Kwai San]

1 hour ago, BuffaloMatt said:

Nearsighted view. Benevolence that rewards performance endears employees to employers and garners loyalty.

 

Tell that to the endless trail of Pats players who were shoved aside.....yet they seem to have no problems getting people to play there.  @Hapless Bills Fan has a strong point.  The Bills win - they payers will come here - end of statement.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

It's not a two way street though. Richie earned a new contract and that wasn't honored. 

 

That's just the nature of a non-guaranteed contract, though.  The player has a right to ask for a reno or to ask to be released.  The team has a right to ask for a reno or to release the player.

 

If you think all NFL contracts should be guaranteed, that's your right, though it's tough on teams to do that under a salary cap system.

 

3 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

I always have a hard time siding with teams over these things because of the way they treat players in relation to other sports. Richie plays good, earns a contract extension. A couple years later, they say, nevermind I don't want to pay that. It's just so warped to me, so all of you who say Richie should honor the contract he signed, the Bills didn't do that first. 

 

We just have to disagree on that.  The Bills did not offer Richie a guaranteed contract.  They had the right to release him under the contract; executing one of the terms of a contract is not failing to honor it IMO.

 

3 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

So when the Bills do this it's just the nature of the business, and when a player does it they get called all sorts of names, told their spoiled and to be happy with what they make now. All these teams are making way more money than any player and turn around and ask for money back from the players, and the public. They are the spoiled ones.

 

I'm not the biggest fan of Richie personally, it just happens he's in a situation where I tend to side with the player. 

 

I'd have complete sympathy with Richie if he refused to sign the restructure contract and just said "either honor it, or release me and I'll look for my market value"

But to agree to, and sign on, a restructure and then go nutsoid doing your bizness on Twitter in public - nope, no sympathy here.

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I agree. Fine cut him. I believe he would have made more money. 

 

I'd just rather the NFL have guaranteed contracts like the other major professional sports in North America. 

 

Nope he signed a contract. Then wants to play the f f games. 

 

He rots on the retired list.

 

fully guaranteed contracts are the hell of sports 

[napmaster]

4 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

But you're giving the team a pass. It's not like age is a random thing, they knew how old he'd be. I understand it wasn't Beanes contract, and maybe he'll prove me wrong. But teams seem to never plan on the one thing that is certain regarding players, not health, productivity, scheme fit, supporting cast... But age. You know a guy is getting older. Don't say we'll pay you X dollars on the front end when you're 34, then when we hit 34, say... actually, we're just gonna give you this.

 

It's league wide, but it's scummy.

 

Both valid points.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Ol Dirty B said:

I'd just rather the NFL have guaranteed contracts like the other major professional sports in North America. 

 

I'm ignorant here, educate me: do the other major professional sports in NA have team salary caps where injury guarantees etc fall under the cap?

[Ol Dirty B]

5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Team approaches player says we need to relook your contract. 

 

NEGOTIATION between PLAYER and TEAM started. 

 

Now 35 year old OG takes some Guaranteed Money upfront but overall lowers his pay. 

 

PLAYER signs it. 

 

How is that a team not honoring the contract again???

 

Look, I believe in guaranteed contracts for the player. Renegotiating a contract is not honoring it in my opinion. It's idealistic and probably will never happen, but it's what I believe in.

 

I've never renegotiated anything I owe people. I pay them what I agreed upon. I don't see what is hard about asking a billionaire and I understand the salary cap makes money more finite, that said, an organization like the Bills should be able to manage their money.

 

You and me have salary caps every day in life and we manage it.

 

Edited April 15, 2018 by Ol Dirty B

[Beast]

Just like Boldin, no.

 

Buffalo gave Incognito a chance to return to this league. Yes, he has reqarded the Bills by playing great but to show no loyalty is a bit revolting.

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Look, I believe in guaranteed contracts for the player. Renegotiating a contract is not honoring it in my opinion. It's idealistic and probably will never happen, but it's what I believe in.

 

I've never renegotiated anything I owe people. I pay them what I agreed upon. I don't see what is hard about asking a billionaire and I understand the salary cap makes money more finite, that said, an organization like the Bills should be able to manage their money.

 

You and me have salary caps every day in life and we manage it. 

 

Look, I believe in guaranteed contracts for the player. Renegotiating a contract is not honoring it in my opinion. It's idealistic and probably will never happen, but it's what I believe in.

 

I've never renegotiated anything I owe people. I pay them what I agreed upon. I don't see what is hard about asking a billionaire and I understand the salary cap makes money more finite, that said, an organization like the Bills should be able to manage their money.

 

You and me have salary caps every day in life and we manage it. 

 

Cool so you believe an employer should never go to a employee and renogotiate a contract. 

 

Are you ok with a player wanting to renogotiate his contract or a team wanting to re-sign (renogotiate) or even offer pay raises (more renogotiation). 

 

For the RECORD Bills owed NOTHING this year on that contract. His SERVICES for this year have NOT been performed 

Edited April 15, 2018 by MAJBobby

[ghostwriter]

38 minutes ago, Dalton said:

Why?  No benefit to Bills.

 

Please explain why.

 

Headcase, doesn't want to be here, don't need his poor attitude effecting the locker room and other players. Have him pay back the bonus and move on.

[Ol Dirty B]

14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm ignorant here, educate me: do the other major professional sports in NA have team salary caps where injury guarantees etc fall under the cap?

 

I'm more familiar with the NBA, but they have a couple provisions where you can get the money off the cap. They're given one amnesty per CBA where they can just release and pay a guy for no reason and it doesn't count against the cap. I believe their is another way, I'll read up on it if you want, where a guy can be released due to injury and not count on the cap. I believe it was the case with Chris Bosh and his reoccurring blood clots. However, in the NBA injured players count against the cap.

 

It'll never happen in the NFL and is way more complicated to make a reality in that league. It's just a principle I believe in. I understand it's not necessarily practical.

 

Hence the reason I usually side with the player. I understand a lot of you disagree and you're all making legitimate points.

10 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Cool so you believe an employer should never go to a employee and renogotiate a contract. 

 

Are you ok with a player wanting to renogotiate his contract or a team wanting to re-sign (renogotiate) or even offer pay raises (more renogotiation). 

 

For the RECORD Bills owed NOTHING this year on that contract. His SERVICES for this year have NOT been performed 

 

Dude you're getting way too into this, read what I posted above.

 

And when does a team ever just say, hey, you played good let's give you more money. They never do, look at the philosophy formed about taking advantage of building a team around an underpaid QB on his rookie contract.  

 

If contracts were fully guaranteed, then no, a player shouldn't hold out. But they aren't, which goes into my point on why it's not a two way street and I'm fine with guys holding out or asking for money. Because that's what they are doing, asking. The teams aren't asking, they're telling you it's this amount to leave or even nothing, or you can take this, your choice.

 

The capitalized words are obnoxious.

Edited April 15, 2018 by Ol Dirty B

[Manther]

19 minutes ago, Robert James said:

 

He negotiated and agreed to the pay cut.  If he found it insulting he could have simply turned the Bills down.  That they offered him a deal he now wishes he hadn't accepted is hardly bad conduct by the Bills. 

 

Agreed.  At that point he and his agent (I am assuming) thought the money (after the pay cut) from the Bills was still more than he would get on the open market and/or/combination that staying in Buffalo for close to what he would get on the open market was worth it.

[cba fan]

2 hours ago, BuffaloMatt said:

Nearsighted view. Benevolence that rewards performance endears employees to employers and garners loyalty.

He said you get what you are worth. So poster agrees with you.

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I'm more familiar with the NBA, but they have a couple provisions where you can get the money off the cap. They're given one amnesty per CBA where they can just release and pay a guy for no reason and it doesn't count against the cap. I believe their is another way, I'll read up on it if you want, where a guy can be released due to injury and not count on the cap. I believe it was the case with Chris Bosh and his reoccurring blood clots. However, in the NBA injured players count against the cap.

 

It'll never happen in the NFL and is way more complicated to make a reality in that league. It's just a principle I believe in. I understand it's not necessarily practical.

 

Hence the reason I usually side with the player. I understand a lot of you disagree and you're all making legitimate points.

 

Dude you're getting way too into this, read what I posted above.

 

And when does a team ever just say, hey, you played good let's give you more money. They never do, look at the philosophy formed about taking advantage of building a team around an underpaid QB on his rookie contract.

 

Sure last Summer Eric Wood

Kyle Williams ring a bell

TT ring a bell 

 

Edited April 15, 2018 by MAJBobby

[billsfan_34]

2 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Not the brightest bulb in the box, signs deal, thinks about it, fires agent, retires, un-retires, asks for release.

Sounds like drugs to me

Or Bipolar- in his manic state!

[Kwai San]

2 hours ago, BuffaloMatt said:

Nearsighted view. Benevolence that rewards performance endears employees to employers and garners loyalty.

 

Tell that to the endless trail of Pats players who were shoved aside.....yet they seem to have no problems getting people to play there.  @Hapless Bills Fan has a strong point.  The Bills win - they payers will come here - end of statement.