Chuck Wagon Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, cle23 said: Even by your point total, Cleveland basically breaks even. No one trades out of the 1st pick to break even, and then essentially trade down from 4 too. If they go from 1st and 4th to 2, 12, and 22 and lose 35, they better be getting a huge ransom back. 1st and 2nd next year, and more. I don't see how the Bills go from 12 to 1 without next year's first involved. I think the more realistic deal is: Bills out: 12 / 22 / 53 / 65 / 2019 1st ( ~3,615 points) Bills in: 1 (3,000 points) Browns out: 1 / 4 / 35 (5,350 points) Browns in: 2 / 12 / 22 / 53 / 2019 Bills 1st (5,845 points) Giants out: 2 (2,600 points) Giants in: 4 / 35 / 65 (2,615 points) Browns crush it in trade value, Bills pay the premium to get 1, Giants break even, but draft the same player and pick up an early 2 and early 3. Browns get the same guy they are going to take #1 at #2, 12 is in "elite" player territory and 22 is in range where they could easily move up and get 2 elite players outside of the QB, plus load up with 2 1sts next year. 11 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Youre kind of blending though, no? If we believe this one that says it’s mayfield or Rosen, and combine it with that one that says it’s allen.... at that point is it hearing what you want and ignoring discrepancies out of two already sketchy sources and just running with it? Truly no offense there- I’ve been guilty of just that before. If they have good intel the Giants aren't going QB, they know they are getting Rosen or Baker. If the Giants are sure QBs are going 1-3 and they don't want one, I'd have to believe they'd be more than willing to drop back to 4 getting extra picks. I'm sure I'm blending. I badly want this to happen. There's likely too many moving parts for it to really happen and I'm sure I'm seeing things I want. But I think it sounds as plausible as anything else. I'm sure these teams have talked over and over again.
cle23 Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: They didn't essentially trade down from 4, they traded up from 4 to 2. Of course the team that trades back and then back up is going to gain less than the team that only trades back. And Cleveland in this case went from 1, 4, 33, and 35 to 2, 12, 22, and 33, plus they picked up an additional 2nd next year. The cost to go from 6 to 3 was a 1st, 2 2nds, and a future 2nd. The cost I gave for moving from 4 to 2 was a 1st, 2 2nds, and the first pick of the 3rd this year. If you think the Bills price should've been a 2019 1st and 2nd that would be a premium of 68%, which is astronomically higher than even the Jets gave in their deal. You have Buffalo moving from 12 to 1 for two 1sts, two 2nds, and a third, but you have Cleveland moving from 4 to 2 for a first and two seconds and a 3rd, and Cleveland's 1st is 8 picks higher and their 2nd is 18 picks higher. And like I said, why would Cleveland do a deal where they essentially break even? You are making Buffalo's move a lot cheaper than Cleveland's. Cleveland should expect that type of trade for the number 4, not for the number 1. Edited April 13, 2018 by cle23
stony Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 1 hour ago, TaskerTough said: I love all "my _____ knows someone at the team" rumors. They are the crown jewel of rumors IMHO. This one is particularly good because it plays upon two truths: Beane is a wizard and Brandon is a chatty dope. They're my favorite part of draft season. I'll admit, I bite hard. 1 hour ago, cle23 said: Even by your point total, Cleveland basically breaks even. No one trades out of the 1st pick to break even, and then essentially trade down from 4 too. If they go from 1st and 4th to 2, 12, and 22 and lose 35, they better be getting a huge ransom back. 1st and 2nd next year, and more. I think it's possible, but you're correct, there needs to be more on the back end in 2019 and 2020. 1
gobills1212 Posted April 14, 2018 Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: It makes sense.... I’m not saying that he is right or wrong but at least it’s logical. Everyone gets the guy that they want in this case and the Giants and Browns get other assets as well. I agree. Somehow I missed this thread, but saw it on Twitter. What I didnt understand and maybe someone can clear up is the Browns motivation to do this. 1 goes to 2, and 4 goes to 12. Taking a hit like that would require some serious compensation- so as much fun as it is to believe and read stuff like this- when I try and picture it in reality I get stuck on that. Maybe that's the 'other compensation ' but I cant imagine what that would be unless someone gets the Bills 2019 1st or something etc Not to mention, where do the Broncos come into play as the title suggests? Typo? 7 hours ago, CuddyDark said: I should get credit for this. LOL Were you the caller on GR on monday who called and said this? Edited April 14, 2018 by gobills1212
whatdrought Posted April 14, 2018 Posted April 14, 2018 One day one of these crazy "i know someone who knows someone who saw someone who overheard someone" rumors are going to be true and this board is going to implode. 1
PIZ Posted April 14, 2018 Author Posted April 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, gobills1212 said: Not to mention, where do the Broncos come into play as the title suggests? Typo? It was a typo. Should have been Giants. Fixed. Kid now says he might possibly delete the tweet because people are bashing him.
Kirby Jackson Posted April 14, 2018 Posted April 14, 2018 16 minutes ago, gobills1212 said: I agree. Somehow I missed this thread, but saw it on Twitter. What I didnt understand and maybe someone can clear up is the Browns motivation to do this. 1 goes to 2, and 4 goes to 12. Taking a hit like that would require some serious compensation- so as much fun as it is to believe and read stuff like this- when I try and picture it in reality I get stuck on that. Maybe that's the 'other compensation ' but I cant imagine what that would be unless someone gets the Bills 2019 1st or something etc Not to mention, where do the Broncos come into play as the title suggests? Typo? Were you the caller on GR on monday who called and said this? I referenced it in another thread but a Bills - Browns trade makes more sense. The Bills give up 12, 22 and 56 (as an example) for pick 4. The Browns turn around and trade 12 and 35 for 6 or 7 (and still get their elite guy). The Browns will start the draft with something like Allen, Barkley, and then have 22, 33, 56, 64. 1
gobills1212 Posted April 14, 2018 Posted April 14, 2018 7 hours ago, Derby Dan said: I have check and we are now in talks with the giants and the browns Checked what?
YoloinOhio Posted April 14, 2018 Posted April 14, 2018 6 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Okay, who's ready to put some numbers to the crazy? Here's everyone's picks in the first 3 rounds: Bills: 12, 22, 53, 56, 65, 96 - Total Value 160.72 Browns: 1, 4, 33, 35, 64 - Total Value 260.21 Giants: 2, 34, 66, 69 - Total value 149.96 Bills trade 12, 22, 53, 65, and a 2019 2nd to the Browns for 1 - 146.51 vs 100 (146%) Browns trade 4, 35, 53 and 65 to the Giants for 2 & 69 - 147.17 vs 106.26 (138%) After the madness: Bills: 1, 56, 96 - Total Value 123.97 Browns: 2, 12, 22, 33, 64, 69, Bills 2019 2nd - Total Value 265.81 Giants: 4, 34, 35, 53, 65, 66 - Total Value 190.87 Hopefully everyone else is having a productive Friday! You Hokies are wicked smaht
Mr. ChumChums Posted April 14, 2018 Posted April 14, 2018 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: One day one of these crazy "i know someone who knows someone who saw someone who overheard someone" rumors are going to be true and this board is going to implode. It's happened before!
NoSaint Posted April 14, 2018 Posted April 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mr. ChumChums said: It's happened before! Or at least we throw enough logical guesses and soooomething comes true
Zerovoltz Posted April 14, 2018 Posted April 14, 2018 Browns - Darnold. They are going to end up doing this if for no other reason than, so if he doesn't work out they can sort of say "out of that grouping, most people had him no.1" He does seem to be no.1 on many folks lists. The Browns need some fallback excuse if they choose wrong. They can't take Allen even if they like him....red flags everywhere. Giants - Rosen. They could trade out, as Bills fans continue to hope is the case. Here is the problem with the "Bills trade up with Giants" scenario. Lets assume for a moment the Giants really don't want a QB and are considering Chubb, or whoever. The Bills will be on the phone certainly. The problem is the Jets. They will also be on the phone. The Jets will be taking a QB. The Giants can move back to 3 if they dont' want a QB, and gain a nice extra set of picks...like the Niners did with the Bears last year. They still get the Non QB they want. In this case the Giants get the player they want and extra picks. The Bills offer to get to 2 in this market, is going to have to be outrageous. (I'd pay whatever it took if my QB was there but....) I still think the Giants take a QB and it's a moot point. If they do stick or only move to 3, it's Chubb..but I am staying with Rosen. The Jets moving to three was a stroke of pre emptive brilliance frankly. The Bills are effectivly boxed out of the top 3, or at best, the price is going to be astronomical. One way or another at 2 or 3, the Jets will get Mayfield. Cleveland at 4 will stay put and get a non QB. Broncos at 5 will consider a trade down, but will take the Notre Dame guard they need badly...read my other posts for why. 6-7-8 Non QB. 9-10-11. Ripe trade up destinations for whoever wants a piece of Allen. This is the reality the Bills are facing down. Trade up for Josh Allen? Stay for Josh Allen? Someone else comes up for Allen and the Bills stand still for someone else? worst case. Bills don't move off 12 and someone (Arizona) comes up for Allen. Bills don't move off 22 and Mason Rudolph goes to the Chargers. Saints get wild hair and move ahead of Bills and take Lamar Jackson at 20 or so. Bills wait to day 2 or 3 for Lauletta, Mike White, etc.
Mr. WEO Posted April 14, 2018 Posted April 14, 2018 "Dicision I football"?? That was the tell he left you fellas.... Anyway, why is this so interesting? Talk of the Bills moving up to the Browns #1 pick was first discussed here a month ago.
Doc Brown Posted April 14, 2018 Posted April 14, 2018 If this happens he's my number one source for rumors from now on.
bills522 Posted April 14, 2018 Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) Darnold/Rosen/Mayfield, in that order (could be talked into flipping first two, doesn't matter) - get one, I don't care how - I approve this batshit plausible rumor Also I love TBD for finding said rumors when I'm unable, love it Edited April 14, 2018 by bills522 spelling, added parenthesis
BarleyNY Posted April 14, 2018 Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, gobills1212 said: I agree. Somehow I missed this thread, but saw it on Twitter. What I didnt understand and maybe someone can clear up is the Browns motivation to do this. 1 goes to 2, and 4 goes to 12. Taking a hit like that would require some serious compensation- so as much fun as it is to believe and read stuff like this- when I try and picture it in reality I get stuck on that. Maybe that's the 'other compensation ' but I cant imagine what that would be unless someone gets the Bills 2019 1st or something etc This is a common sort of flaw in many BS rumors. One or two teams get what they want which creates a huge gap for another team. It’d take more than the Bills 2019 1st rounder to make something like this happen. And when was the last 3 way trade done in the NFL? Has it ever happened? edit: I found one 3 team NFL trade in 2010 involving only day 3 picks and players. That’s it. Edited April 14, 2018 by BarleyNY
H2o Posted April 14, 2018 Posted April 14, 2018 Maybe this 12 year old really is Dunkirk Dick? Maybe he embellishes his stories a little bit more for the board? Very similar in the way he posts and reacts when called out or questioned. VERY similar.
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