Sky Diver Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: His cause of equality for everyone??? How terrible that is!!!! and if he was yelling keeping MAGA, the reverse would be true. People are rooting for Johnny Manziel, who hasn’t done half of what Kaep did in the nfl and hit his girlfriend. So many double standards. its also funny that the people who cry about everything being so sensitive and snowflakes are often the biggest snowflakes. If that guy kneels for the national anthem, I’m not watching!!! Right. We don't have enough politics in entertainment. There should be protests that at half time and during the post game too. 1
What a Tuel Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: His cause of equality for everyone??? How terrible that is!!!! and if he was yelling keeping MAGA, the reverse would be true. People are rooting for Johnny Manziel, who hasn’t done half of what Kaep did in the nfl and hit his girlfriend. So many double standards. its also funny that the people who cry about everything being so sensitive and snowflakes are often the biggest snowflakes. If that guy kneels for the national anthem, I’m not watching!!! Fact is he is a better quarterback than any one on our roster. Two important points: 1) We don't have to watch him hit his girlfriend, and we are 1000% for the law taking care of that. 2) We are forced to watch him kneel during the game and the constant news coverage of it. Its not being a snowflake to vote with your dollars on the NFL changing the show it puts on. What would be a snowflake is if we demanded the government step in and shut kaepernick down because it is infringing on my right to not be offended. Edited April 13, 2018 by What a Tuel 1
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 Just now, jaybee said: His career record 32-32. If I sucked at the position as badly as he, I might resort to similar attention getting activities. But what is lost in all of this he's an average back-up QB at best. I'd take Manziel as a back-up before I'd take this circus clown. So coke head woman beater who hasn’t done squat in the nfl is a better option than a guy who nearly won a SB? Good set of values there. 1 minute ago, Sky Diver said: Right. We don't have enough politics in entertainment. There should be protests that at half time and during the post game too. People didn’t want Jackie Robinson to play baseball. Sports and entertainment can make a huge difference in society.
jaybee Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: So coke head woman beater who hasn’t done squat in the nfl is a better option than a guy who nearly won a SB? Good set of values there. Let this thread be your teacher on why no owner in is right mind would take a controversial and epicly bad football player as a backup wasting a roster spot. 1
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, What a Tuel said: Two important points: 1) We don't have to watch him hit his girlfriend, and we are 1000% for the law taking care of that. 2) We are forced to watch him kneel during the game and the constant news coverage of it. Its not being a snowflake to vote with your dollars on the NFL changing the show it puts on. What would be a snowflake is if we demanded the government step in and shut kaepernick down because it is infringing on my right to not be offended. I respect your opinion but man if anyone can say Manziel is ok but Kaepernick isn’t shouldn’t have kids, especially a daughter.
HappyDays Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 If anyone is interested here's a good objective analysis of what his legal team must prove to win their case: https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/15/colin-kaepernick-collusion-lawsuit-against-nfl He basically needs to show that at least 2 teams, and/or the league office, conspired to deny him an employment opportunity. No clue how the arbitration will go but he does have legal standing here. 1
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, jaybee said: Let this thread be your teacher on why no owner in is right mind would take a controversial and epicly bad football player as a backup wasting a roster spot. Manziel wouldn’t cause any distractions!
What a Tuel Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: I respect your opinion but man if anyone can say Manziel is ok but Kaepernick isn’t shouldn’t have kids, especially a daughter. For the record, I am not for Manziel anything. Actually I'd probably be ok with there being a ban on convicted violent offenders in the NFL.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: If anyone is interested here's a good objective analysis of what his legal team must prove to win their case: https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/15/colin-kaepernick-collusion-lawsuit-against-nfl He basically needs to show that at least 2 teams, and/or the league office, conspired to deny him an employment opportunity. No clue how the arbitration will go but he does have legal standing here. I think that's basically what I said. It's what I tried to say anyway.
Sky Diver Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: So coke head woman beater who hasn’t done squat in the nfl is a better option than a guy who nearly won a SB? Good set of values there. People didn’t want Jackie Robinson to play baseball. Sports and entertainment can make a huge difference in society. Are you comparing Jackie Robinson with Kapernick? I don't recall Jackie Robinson staging any protests before a game.
Augie Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Dalton said: No issue with him protesting on his time, his dime. Big issue with any employee protesting when they are working in an official capacity during work hours. If this was not the NFL there would not be a debate that it is inappropriate in a business environment. If your teller at the bank wants to share their political opinions while cashing your check, you can bet your bottom dollar they will hear about in a hurry. Cease or pack your stuff.
NoSaint Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 Not that it matters in the legal case but didn’t he previously say he would stand if signed?
cba fan Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jobot said: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000926234/article/seahawks-postpone-workout-for-colin-kaepernick So I read this article that Seattle had planned to bring in Kaepernick for a workout, but they are postponing because they want to know if he will continue his kneeling during the anthem... Regardless of where you stand on for or against what he's doing....This sounds like it will seriously bolster any case Kaepernick has about being black-balled... Not sure what they were thinking with letting this information get out. As an employer, this would clearly be seen as discrimination based on a constitutional right. No this is not any type of discrimination. Owner of business is allowed to protect his financial interest and placing reasonable works rules in place are his right. Employee does not need to follow those rules as is their right, but are then subject to discipline including termination. Owner of business has a vested interest in protecting owners financial interest and employees that work for them also expect the owner to do this as it protects their jobs also. EX: if a terrorists wish to demonstrate he/she is sympathetic to terrorist ways they do not have a right to do this during working hours at work. EX: Potential hires have been not hired just based on their social media postings. EX: I do not need to hire anyone I disagree with or just don't like. I don't need a reason. If activists want to protest they can do that anytime they want. On their own time, off company property, MAYBE on company property depending on company rules. Protesting at work and costing owner money is not proper and violates the owners rights. No protestor has a right to put a business out of business. Take the protest to the public spaces. Edited April 13, 2018 by cba fan 1
Augie Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 Just now, NoSaint said: Not that it matters in the legal case but didn’t he previously say he would stand if signed? I’m not positive, but I thought I heard that at some point.
jaybee Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Manziel wouldn’t cause any distractions! My Manziel comment was 100% football centric. Not political. (was a bad example....by me) Point I was trying to make is Kaepernick is not a good QB anymore and we are wasting keystrokes. You can twist this however you will, but my comment was a football comment, not a political or skin-color based comment.
HappyDays Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 22 minutes ago, What a Tuel said: Again its public perception and the public likes to honor their country and its servicemen and women Public perception has no bearing on this case at all. This isn't really a matter of Kaepernick choosing to protest. He isn't running out onto the field holding a banner that says "I hate the anthem." The league requires the national anthem to be played before every game and he's choosing to not stand. Him kneeling for the anthem has nothing to do with what he is employed to do. Companies can't make their employers follow any rule they choose, there are limits. This is getting away from the collusion argument he's bringing to arbitration but there could be a case to be made there to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. I wonder if he'll go that route if the collision argument fails. 10 minutes ago, cba fan said: Protesting at work and costing owner money is not proper and violates the owners rights. No protestor has a right to put a business out of business. Take the protest to the public spaces. But he isn't "protesting" in the way you mean. He doesn't come to work with a picket sign. If he chose to not stand for the anthem because he just didn't feel like it, would his decision suddenly be legally protected? Can our employers force us to stand for the national anthem when our job has nothing to do with that?
JoeF Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 Just now, Augie said: I’m not positive, but I thought I heard that at some point. He and Reid both said they would stand but then backed off that when asked by the Seahawks (Kap) and Bengals (Reid). I mentioned this before. About 2 months ago, I was on a plane and sat across the aisle from Eric and Justin Reid's grandfather. We had a great conversation. He was one of the first African American PhD's from an Ivy league school (Psychology) and I loved talking to him. His sons were both star athletes at LSU and Eric and Justin are both great athletes. I asked him about kneeling and he thoughtfully said its not what he would have done but he loves his grandson and respects his decision. He said he faced a lot of racial turmoil in his life but also realized from his travels to China and other places (as an emissary of the US Government for Education) that this country afforded him opportunities no other country would have. He also said he does want Eric and Kap to use their stature to help address societal ills. Grandpa calls Eric after every game with a critique. It was hysterical to hear some of the feedback he gives...it was an awesome conversation. 1 2
nedboy7 Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 What’s actually sad is people confusing standing drunk at a sporting event w actually helping or respecting a soldier. Insignificant actions offending people.
Big Turk Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Jobot said: I wrote an example up further, but would someone be legally be allowed to not hire a gun owner if he didn't believe in the second amendment? Probably. Not wanting to own a gun or owning a gun does not provide you membership to any protected class I am aware of. 1
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