26CornerBlitz Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) 4-11: Dane Brugler of NFLDraftScout.com on WGR (13:36) Brugler says Mason Rudolph is a 3rd round prospect who is in for a major adjustment at the NFL level. Says Lamar Jackson is by far a much better choice in terms of talent and learning curve if the Bills stay at 12. His best QB prospect is Darnold. He would take a shot on Josh Allen in the 1st round, but not as a top 5 guy. His top WR prospects are Calvin Ridley and DJ Moore. Loves Roquan Smith for the Bills if they can't get a QB at 12. Edited April 11, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 6
jrober38 Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 Fully agree. I don't see any difference between Rudolph and guys like Bryce Petty or Landry Jones. He's a very mediocre QB prospect with a low ceiling. 2
26CornerBlitz Posted April 11, 2018 Author Posted April 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Fully agree. I don't see any difference between Rudolph and guys like Bryce Petty or Landry Jones. He's a very mediocre QB prospect with a low ceiling. Not buying into the late hype for him either. 1
JoPar_v2 Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Fully agree. I don't see any difference between Rudolph and guys like Bryce Petty or Landry Jones. He's a very mediocre QB prospect with a low ceiling. Yup. Dana (and you) got it exactly right. People talking about saving picks and taking Rudolph at 22 are blowing my mind. Trading up is “bad” and “wasteful” but taking a guy 60 picks too early is a-okay with them? The mind reels at the absolute stupidity. 1
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 15 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: 4-11: Dane Brugler of NFLDraftScout.com on WGR (13:36) Brugler says Mason Rudolph is a 3rd round pick who is in for a major adjustment at the NFL level. Says Lamar Jackson is by far a much better choice in terms of talent and learning curve if the Bills stay at 12. His best QB prospect is Darnold. He would take a shot on Josh Allen in the 1st round, but not as a top 5 guy. His top WR prospects are Calvin Ridley and DJ Moore. Loves Roquan Smith for the Bills if they can't get a QB at 12. Imo, Mason Rudolph is getting the placement and hype Josh Allen SHOULD have. But here's to hoping the Browns/Jets shock the world and grab him.
26CornerBlitz Posted April 11, 2018 Author Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) Also want to add that he isn't enthused about the 2019 draft with respect to QBs. Edited April 11, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz
jrober38 Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 16 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Not buying into the late hype for him either. If you watch the guy's highlights, he succeeds when he has a perfect pocket around him. He generally needs a perfect pocket to set up from to be effective, and that's incredibly rare in the NFL. When he's pressured, and has to move off his spot, his play suffers badly. Combine that with limited mobility and a mediocre arm and I see nothing more than a 3rd round prospect. People look at the fact that he threw for 4,900 yards this year and assume he's a great passer. Reality is that he's pretty limited and has very few traits you see from top NFL QBs.
26CornerBlitz Posted April 11, 2018 Author Posted April 11, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: If you watch the guy's highlights, he succeeds when he has a perfect pocket around him. He generally needs a perfect pocket to set up from to be effective, and that's incredibly rare in the NFL. When he's pressured, and has to move off his spot, his play suffers badly. Combine that with limited mobility and a mediocre arm and I see nothing more than a 3rd round prospect. People look at the fact that he threw for 4,900 yards this year and assume he's a great passer. Reality is that he's pretty limited and has very few traits you see from top NFL QBs. Spot on assessment. I can see him struggling at the NFL level with pressure in his face and being very susceptible to turnovers.
BuffaloBillies Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) Say what you want about Rudolph (team, schedule, system, guys around him, etc), but it's tough to argue with his stats: Improvement every year. 65% comp pct. Nearly 5,000 yards last year with a 37/9 TD/Int ratio and a passer rating that is off the charts. Maybe it won't translate to NFL, but at least you'd know he's put up numbers like this in the past, so physically he's capable. Edited April 11, 2018 by BuffaloBillies 1
jrober38 Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 Just now, BuffaloBillies said: Say what you want about Rudolph (team, schedule, system, guys around him, etc), but it's tough to argue with his stats: Improvement every year. 65% comp pct. Nearly 5,000 yards last year with a 37/9 TD/Int ratio and a passer rating that is off the charts. Maybe it won't translate to NFL, but at least you'd know he's put up numbers like this in the past, so physically he's capable. It's actually really easy to argue with stats. They mean absolutely nothing when projecting NFL success. 1
K D Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, jrober38 said: If you watch the guy's highlights, he succeeds when he has a perfect pocket around him. He generally needs a perfect pocket to set up from to be effective, and that's incredibly rare in the NFL. When he's pressured, and has to move off his spot, his play suffers badly. Combine that with limited mobility and a mediocre arm and I see nothing more than a 3rd round prospect. People look at the fact that he threw for 4,900 yards this year and assume he's a great passer. Reality is that he's pretty limited and has very few traits you see from top NFL QBs. correct. in his offense, the passes are basically "long handoffs" where you get the ball instantly to the playmaker. it's 1 read and throw and they are usually wide open because well it's the big 12 and nobody plays defense. those plays will definitely pad your stats. add to that where you have 2 receivers who are going in the top 2 rounds of the NFL draft and against that coverage you can basically just throw the ball up for grabs and they will come down with it, which is what many of his passes are. Rudolph is at best a backup in this league
26CornerBlitz Posted April 11, 2018 Author Posted April 11, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloBillies said: Say what you want about Rudolph (team, schedule, system, guys around him, etc), but it's tough to argue with his stats: Improvement every year. 65% comp pct. Nearly 5,000 yards last year with a 37/9 TD/Int ratio and a passer rating that is off the charts. Maybe it won't translate to NFL, but at least you'd know he's put up numbers like this in the past, so physically he's capable. Means nothing at the NFL level.
Chuck Wagon Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 I can live with Jackson if a trade up simply isn't possible. I don't see much difference in Rudolph vs Falk, Lauletta, Ferguson, White. There's simply going to be too much talent on the board at 12 and 22 to justify taking anyone from that group before our 2nd / 3rd round picks. 1
Tatonka68 Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 Jackson is garbage. Please look at the games he played against quality defenses and not his padded stats against Duke. TaxSlayer bowl 13 of 31 171 yards and 4 INT's. He is just a gimmick QB who pads his stats against under talented undisciplined defenses. He is Tyrod/RGIII 2.0. 3 1
MrEpsYtown Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Means nothing at the NFL level. Yep. Timmy Chang, Ty Detmer, Colt Brennan, Eric Crouch say hi. Graham Harrell is hanging out somewhere as well. Arguably, the best quarterback in college history is now playing minor league baseball. Another one played point guard for the Knicks. People seem to really struggle to understand the idea of projection and what it takes to win in the NFL versus college. Not really sure what the confusion is on these boards. 1
Buffalo Bills Detective Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 50 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: 4-11: Dane Brugler of NFLDraftScout.com on WGR (13:36) Brugler says Mason Rudolph is a 3rd round prospect who is in for a major adjustment at the NFL level. Says Lamar Jackson is by far a much better choice in terms of talent and learning curve if the Bills stay at 12. His best QB prospect is Darnold. He would take a shot on Josh Allen in the 1st round, but not as a top 5 guy. His top WR prospects are Calvin Ridley and DJ Moore. Loves Roquan Smith for the Bills if they can't get a QB at 12. John from Riverside and skycap just had a thunderous, mutual orgasm 1
jrober38 Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Yep. Timmy Chang, Ty Detmer, Colt Brennan, Eric Crouch say hi. Graham Harrell is hanging out somewhere as well. Arguably, the best quarterback in college history is now playing minor league baseball. Another one played point guard for the Knicks. People seem to really struggle to understand the idea of projection and what it takes to win in the NFL versus college. Not really sure what the confusion is on these boards. A lot of people have no idea what to look for, so the easiest crutch to lean on is college production. Next is whether or not they look like other NFL QBs (height, weight, mobility guys). 1
BuffaloBillies Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Yep. Timmy Chang, Ty Detmer, Colt Brennan, Eric Crouch say hi. Graham Harrell is hanging out somewhere as well. Arguably, the best quarterback in college history is now playing minor league baseball. Another one played point guard for the Knicks. People seem to really struggle to understand the idea of projection and what it takes to win in the NFL versus college. Not really sure what the confusion is on these boards. No confusion. Just analyzing as much as possible and prior performance has to at least count for a little something, doesn't it? I'm NOT saying it is at all a primary deciding factor... just a factor. Rudolph 65% and 5,000 yds... Allen 56% and 1,800 yds. last year. Just something to look at.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: John from Riverside and skycap just had a thunderous, mutual orgasm I believe this is the second or third time I've asked nicely: please knock it off. 1 1
thenorthremembers Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 18 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Means nothing at the NFL level. This is completely incorrect. To say their is no correlation to college stats and future NFL success is wrong. You wont find a lot of quarterbacks that have found big time success in the NFL who: Started less than 25 games in college Won less than 20 games in college Had a winning pct under 60% Had a comp % under 57% Threw for less than 200 yards/gm Threw for less than 1.5 Tds/Gm and threw more than 1.0 int/gm There are anomalies in every case, but to say it cant be used as some sort of predictor of future success I think is inaccurate. On the field play may trump stats, but in many cases you cant have one without the other.
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