SouthNYfan Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: You know this how? The same way everyone else "knows things" Taking the 30 seconds to Google "Giants darnold" and reading the dozens of articles linking them to Darnold being plan A. Is it 100% correct? No. Is it quite probable? Yep. When everyone seems to think it's who they want, and he is a great fit for a team most likely moving on from their franchise guy in 1-2 years, then yes, they most likely want Darnold. Just now, inaugural balls said: Why would anyone be interested in your ass? You beat me to it.
stinky finger Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said: The same way everyone else "knows things" Taking the 30 seconds to Google "Giants darnold" and reading the dozens of articles linking them to Darnold being plan A. Is it 100% correct? No. Is it quite probable? Yep. When everyone seems to think it's who they want, and he is a great fit for a team most likely moving on from their franchise guy in 1-2 years, then yes, they most likely want Darnold. You beat me to it. I'd say it's possible, not quite probable. I wouldn't put too much stock into what you read. Mere speculation.
PrimeTime101 Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 4 hours ago, Commonsense said: Nah. What if the draft goes 1.Allen 2.Rosen 3.Mayfield Beane are we trading up to 4 with the Browns and taking Darnold? I don't know Terry we didn't work him out, can you stop calling me so I can watch his YouTube clip before I call Dorsey!? it's not the most likely scenario but it's just Beane and company doing their jobs. then I am trading in with Denver and a happy person..
Foxx Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 15 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: Why would anyone be interested in your ass? reading comprehension helps.
RochesterRob Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: If he is going to shred his knee in non-contact workouts it is bound to happen in training camp if Browns pick him. This is not directed at you but the broader subject of shutting down work outs. It just does not work like the previous poster has implied. You can't take a team at its "word" even if it is given and most likely goes against the protocol the league has with college athletes in terms of denying workouts based on who a team is. Further, I would think that a prospect's agent would be advising taking as many workouts as possible within reason in part due to a team perhaps not keeping its "word." Also, it makes the agent look bad in the future as the agent and player might be perceived as being too difficult to deal with hence a team choosing a different prospect.
Mr. WEO Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 Did "blue collar" Darold hide his lunch pail at the workout so the Browns wouldn't want to draft him?
Mojo44 Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 At this point it is due diligence and nothing more. Don’t make too much of the fact that they went out to LA for this. Teams do this all the time. No big deal. Don’t get me wrong. It could happen. This visit in no way portends anything for certain.
CommonCents Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Did "blue collar" Darold hide his lunch pail at the workout so the Browns wouldn't want to draft him? Rumor has it that Darnold fumbled his lunch pail while at the airport and he was unable to recover it. 1 1
timekills17 Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, theRalph said: Some of us are waking at 3AM every day to see if the Bills have further traded up. That hasn't occurred as yet, but a 10-ton hint to this part of "the process" was dropped yesterday when reports surfaced that the Bills' top evaluators would travel to USC to work out Sam Darnold this Friday. When I heard this from Mike Schopp, I was compelled to call to say that the Bills must know they can get to #1 or #2, or why would you spend valuable pre-draft time vetting a QB you've no chance of drafting. Mike agreed, as did morning host Jeremy White this morning. Howard Simon questions, though, how can the Bills get to 1 or 2 from 12? Well, here's a bold prediction: 1. Browns select Josh Allen with the first pick. 2. Browns trade the 4th pick to the Bills with a big price tag. We've all heard what that price might be (12, 22, 53, 65...hopefully not 2019 first rounder also). 3. Bill trade the Giants the 4th pick, plus their remaining 2nd round pick (56) for the #2 pick. 4. Bills select Sam Darnold with the second pick. 5. Jets select one of the remaining QBs with the third pick. 4. Giants either select Bradley Chubb with the fourth pick, or trade down a few slots with any QB hungry team, with the assurance that Chubb will be available at 5, 6, or 7...maybe further. We'll see. I sincerely - sincerely - doubt that a GM who has never traded back in his prior history, including being part of the Giants that grabbed their testicles and rode out the Eli/Rivers trade, would drop to #4 from 2 for a second when they'd know how desperate the Bills are. What might influence them to do this is the pressure to take a QB when they don't want to mess with Manning again. If Darnold is available and they don't take him, and he winds up great...bad things man, bad things. Not so good if they trade the spot away and he winds up great either, but better than straight passing on him. However, I still think it's going to take at least the second and something else, possibly from next year. Also, why wouldn't the Bills, and any other QB needy team, travel to evaluate one of the top QBs available. Whether they want him, as a smoke screen, or even just to glean a little more insight into strengths and weaknesses in case they have to play against him (Browns/Jets), they should evaluate as part of normal business. If they didn't, I'd question their professionalism. Edited April 11, 2018 by timekills17 clarity
Beast Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 59 minutes ago, H2o said: I'm not saying they won't move up. I am saying that if you think they are going to sell their first 3 rounds of the draft and next year's 1st to move up 10 slots for a QB you've lost your mind. It's not happening. If you think they will then you will be disappointed. And if the Bills love one of these QB’s, you can bet they will move heaven and earth to get him.
theRalph Posted April 11, 2018 Author Posted April 11, 2018 20 hours ago, billsredneck1 said: these guys dorsey /gettleman and beane already have this stuff worked out and i don't doubt it for a minute. you think guys that worked as partners in the same office prior , along with long time connections, aren't having open no b.s conversations? i don't.... Exactly. Great point.
Mr. ChumChums Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 The other part of this equation is that Sam Darnold & his agents at CAA would not have agreed to the private workout if they weren't convinced the Bills had a legitimate chance to pick him within the top 5 picks. Heard something on Good Morning Football on NFL network this am to this effect. 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) On 4/10/2018 at 1:10 PM, theRalph said: Some of us are waking at 3AM every day to see if the Bills have further traded up. Seriously? You need more exercise, less caffeine, and more of a life if that's true. Or perhaps expert psychological help The Bills are going to perform due diligence to their satisfaction on all the QB prospects. Since no one knows for sure what all the top drafting teams will do, they need to be prepared with a value on top players they don't think they will draft. Say the Browns take Allen #1, the Giants take Chubb or Barkley #2, Mayfield is the Jets guy. Do the Bills want to offer something for #4 and draft Darnold or no? And what do they want to offer if they do? I think at this point the Bills have a very good idea what they would need to give up to move to various places in the draft I think it's a stretch to believe that vetting a player with a private workout indicates they know they can move up, or that they plan to move up. 10 minutes ago, Mr. ChumChums said: The other part of this equation is that Sam Darnold & his agents at CAA would not have agreed to the private workout if they weren't convinced the Bills had a legitimate chance to pick him within the top 5 picks. Heard something on Good Morning Football on NFL network this am to this effect. That's a point, but in theory any team can move up and pick a guy, the question is whether they want to. It doesn't hurt a guy's draft stock to feel there are a bunch of QB-needy teams interested in him, so the agents have no reason to turn a team with a legit interest in drafting a 1st rd QB away. No one has promised Darnold he'll go in the top 5 picks either. Edited April 11, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan 1
4merper4mer Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Who is LA Darnold , I hate QB's with initials Everybody has initials.
theRalph Posted April 11, 2018 Author Posted April 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Seriously? You need more exercise, less caffeine, and more of a life if that's true. Or perhaps expert psychological help No need to make personal attacks, !@#$tard. oops....that slipped.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 21 minutes ago, theRalph said: No need to make personal attacks, !@#$tard. oops....that slipped. Nothing personal at all, man. You said " Some of us are waking at 3AM every day to see if the Bills have further traded up. " That ain't normal, man. More exercise, less caffeine, psychological help, or more of a life. Nothing derogatory intended. 1
Bing Bong Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 Are we really losing sleep over the draft? It's out of our hands boys, let's just roll the dice with this FO
MAJBobby Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 Agree it speaks volumes. To me it screams we have a path to get high enough for Darnold.
HOUSE Posted April 11, 2018 Posted April 11, 2018 47 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Everybody has initials. Yes, JP, EJ, TJ, CJ all were bad
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