aristocrat Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 so did he get any money from the bills already and is he gonna have to pay that back? he might rethink in a few days
YoloinOhio Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 Just now, aristocrat said: so did he get any money from the bills already and is he gonna have to pay that back? he might rethink in a few days Yes, he will. He should have refused the pay cut and asked to be released.
rodneykm Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Commonsense said: Someone should be checking on this guy. Seriously, something is not right with him today. I hope someone is checking in on him. 2
Formerly Allan in MD Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, Commonsense said: Someone should be checking on this guy. As I mentioned earlier, he might be bipolar. If so, he could change his mind.
Best Player Available Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 1 hour ago, PIP said: Thanks Richie wait until free agency has dried up then retire WTF? Wonder if he received any up front cash for signing the contract? I think he recieved 1M up front. He most likely owes that too the team after he files papers.
IDBillzFan Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 20 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: If I were one of these quarterbacks in this years draft I'd be so excited to play for the Bills; throwing to ghosts and blocking supplied by ether. Plus you get to live in Buffalo, so there's that, too. You know what? This is kind of ridiculous. Most first-round quarterbacks know they are going to less-than-stellar locations because, y'know, the crappiest teams typically are up top.. But if you are even remotely confident of your ability to as a quarterback in the NFL, and you know you're likely going to a crappy team, why would you NOT want to be where the city and fans are every bit as rabid as the university you're leaving? If you can be a successful quarterback in places like Buffalo or Green Bay, the impact you can make for those towns and fans is immeasurable.
turftoe Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 2 hours ago, NoSaint said: Yea and those players around the league deserve that money back in the free agent pool, not Ritchie’s pocket Bologna! A guy renegotiates his contract and gets a $1M check and a couple weeks later he retires. It's totally in bad faith and the Bills have every right to get it back. I think the Bills look worse if they do nothing.
MrEpsYtown Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 3 hours ago, turftoe said: Yep I know Peters was good, but my point was that he took him to the next level. 3 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: I wonder what happened with Miller then. Not sure. It is weird. He doesn't seem to fit the type of lineman Castillo typically worked with. Miller is small, slow, and unathletic, which kind of makes him pretty average at best. But he is a great fit for a power type scheme like the one Roman ran. He is very strong. He could technically play the left side as he has a ton of experience both left and right from his time at Louisville. To me he really is just an overdrafted Whaley special.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Yep I know Peters was good, but my point was that he took him to the next level. Not sure. It is weird. He doesn't seem to fit the type of lineman Castillo typically worked with. Miller is small, slow, and unathletic, which kind of makes him pretty average at best. But he is a great fit for a power type scheme like the one Roman ran. He is very strong. He could technically play the left side as he has a ton of experience both left and right from his time at Louisville. To me he really is just an overdrafted Whaley special. ...may not be the preeminent football site, but how did he go from this to the outhouse??........... That progression has been noticed by the analysts at Pro Football Focus, naming Miller as the most-improved second-year player in the NFL by their grading system. John Miller, G, Buffalo Bills 2015 overall grade: 38.7 2016 overall grade: 77.8 Now firmly entrenched as the Bills’ starting RG, Miller’s rookie season was one to forget, plagued by nagging injuries that had an effect on his play, in particular his run blocking. Bills running backs averaged only 3.9 yards per carry rushing in his direction, and his run-blocking grade ranked 84th among guards, with Miller perhaps struggling to adjust to such a diverse rushing attack. He turned it around in 2016, however, shooting up to 24th among guards in terms of PFF grade as a run blocker, missing only 18 snaps. Overall, he made the step up to a solid, dependable player, with his grade improving from a dismal 38.7 to 77.8. Edited April 10, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy
MrEpsYtown Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...may not be the preeminent football site, but how did he go from this to the outhouse??........... That progression has been noticed by the analysts at Pro Football Focus, naming Miller as the most-improved second-year player in the NFL by their grading system. John Miller, G, Buffalo Bills 2015 overall grade: 38.7 2016 overall grade: 77.8 Now firmly entrenched as the Bills’ starting RG, Miller’s rookie season was one to forget, plagued by nagging injuries that had an effect on his play, in particular his run blocking. Bills running backs averaged only 3.9 yards per carry rushing in his direction, and his run-blocking grade ranked 84th among guards, with Miller perhaps struggling to adjust to such a diverse rushing attack. He turned it around in 2016, however, shooting up to 24th among guards in terms of PFF grade as a run blocker, missing only 18 snaps. Overall, he made the step up to a solid, dependable player, with his grade improving from a dismal 38.7 to 77.8. I think it is just mostly scheme change and I think he was injured a bit. I still think his ceiling is very low, but I don't understand why they would not give him a shot over Vlad. It sounds like Castillo is very demanding and meticulous on how he wants things done. Perhaps Miller didn't want to change, or perhaps he simply couldn't do it.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 Just now, MrEpsYtown said: I think it is just mostly scheme change and I think he was injured a bit. I still think his ceiling is very low, but I don't understand why they would not give him a shot over Vlad. It sounds like Castillo is very demanding and meticulous on how he wants things done. Perhaps Miller didn't want to change, or perhaps he simply couldn't do it. ...interesting perspective....thanks bud........... 1
dave mcbride Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tyrod's friend said: I'm ready. Point out to me anyplace where I have even remotely suggested that we not go after a QB or that I've said that an OG is anywhere near the value of a team to a QB. You are the only one having that conversation, Chicken. There are roughly six, possibly as many as seven QBs that are not terribly different in Grades. You just blew a hole in your offensive line, with a bandaid called Bodine that was meant to cover the last hole. All I am saying, all I've ever said, is that at this point, there are priorities. You can get a roughly equivilant talent for QB in the second round that you can get at 12 or even 22. Don't take my word for it; read Gunnar's analysis. Look at the ranking at NFL.com. I'm not making this sh!t up. There simply isn't that much difference between a lot of these guys and you'll be passing on nearly all of the Tier One positional talent available this year. And just to make sure everyone knows, this isn't JUST THE YEAR OF THE QB. There's a ton of other good players here. I've never said NOT to move up, but the world has changed this morning. If you can simply give Richie $1.25 MM or $2.5 MM and make this problem go away, I'd support that decision by 1BD. In a heart beat. End of the day, sit at 12 or nearly so. If by some miracle Sam Darnold/Josh Rosen/Baker Mayfield you bust the move. But #2 should be out of the conversation at this point. https://www.nytimes.com/1983/05/03/sports/elway-traded-to-broncos-by-colts.html Chris Hinton made 6 pro bowls for the Colts at LT. The 1984 first rounder they received from Denver - Ron Solt - made the pro bowl for the Colts as an offensive guard. They traded him to Philly in late 1988 because of a contract dispute and got Philly's first rounder in '89 and a 4th rounder in '90. With that 1989 first rounder, they took Andre Rison. They traded Rison a year later as part of a package deal with Atlanta to get the number one overall pick, Jeff George. From 1983 to 1998, the Colts never won 10 games. Denver, despite giving up two first round picks that turned out to be pro bowl offensive linemen, had a good run with Elway. Franchise qbs are 15-year investments. Worrying about the line situation for this year or the next is a waste of time. Whoever they take will likely be sitting for much or all of his rookie season anyway. Edited April 10, 2018 by dave mcbride 2
Saxum Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 7 hours ago, FluffHead said: @viccarruci: @68INCOGNITO just told me the following: "I'm, done. That's it. It's been a long career. Went to the doctor. My liver and kidneys are shutting down. The stress is killing me. It's just about doing what's right. I just want to be in the Hall of Fame." Full story to come. He LOVES playing football but liver and kidneys are shutting down due to stress; it appears the contract and whatever his agent advised was causing the stress not playing football. Think if the give him a no contact camp, only use him in one or two preseason games and resolve the contract thing even if it means extending contract a year or two to spread out money this would resolve issues as long as issue is not forced medical retirement of his friend.
Tyrod's friend Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 6 hours ago, horned dogs said: I can't imagine some of the overreactors are decision makers of any type. They run around making thoughtless, emotional responses like junior high girls trying to decide what to wear. SMH First, I'm anything but thoughtless. If I post something it's likely I re-wrote it several times and more often that not you'd find that I edited my comments. It's because I am anything but thoughtless. I have a reason for the things I post and I'm not prone to backing down because I have thought them out. (this particular day I was hasty, but I had thought out the parameters long ago.) You know, a funny thing about my "overreaction" - ESPN later asked the same question I did. Second, by all means continue with ad hominem attacks on myself and others - it puts you in great company. It shows off your own deep thoughts and the overall level of creative and thought provoking posts we all count on from you. I'm sure you have great observations. Third, I don't generally bring my personal life to this forum. I don't know what you do for a living but I'm sure your life is very challenged. Suffice to say I am compensated extremely well for successfully competing at a very high level, requiring nearly daily, split-second decisions. And you know what? I rarely find myself checking out what to wear in advance. But if you'd like to compare 1099's I'm open; table stakes to play in the game are pretty high though. Finally, even when I don't agree with posters I try to give their posts the respect their time deserves. Not always successful and sometimes my emotion gets the better of me. Cheers, Alex
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said: First, I'm anything but thoughtless. If I post something it's likely I re-wrote it several times and more often that not you'd find that I edited my comments. It's because I am anything but thoughtless. I have a reason for the things I post and I'm not prone to backing down because I have thought them out. (this particular day I was hasty, but I had thought out the parameters long ago.) You know, a funny thing about my "overreaction" - ESPN later asked the same question I did. Second, by all means continue with ad hominem attacks on myself and others - it puts you in great company. It shows off your own deep thoughts and the overall level of creative and thought provoking posts we all count on from you. I'm sure you have great observations. Third, I don't generally bring my personal life to this forum. I don't know what you do for a living but I'm sure your life is very challenged. Suffice to say I am compensated extremely well for successfully competing at a very high level, requiring nearly daily, split-second decisions. And you know what? I rarely find myself checking out what to wear in advance. But if you'd like to compare 1099's I'm open; table stakes to play in the game are pretty high though. Finally, even when I don't agree with posters I try to give their posts the respect their time deserves. Not always successful and sometimes my emotion gets the better of me. Cheers, Alex Dude wtf. I guess you must feel like you represent all the overreactors. More power to you and I hope you feel better. still smh If you want to wear it all be my guess, but panicking never works. Edited April 10, 2018 by horned dogs
Tyrod's friend Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 40 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: https://www.nytimes.com/1983/05/03/sports/elway-traded-to-broncos-by-colts.html Chris Hinton made 6 pro bowls for the Colts at LT. The 1984 first rounder they received from Denver - Ron Solt - made the pro bowl for the Colts as an offensive guard. They traded him to Philly in late 1988 because of a contract dispute and got Philly's first rounder in '89 and a 4th rounder in '90. With that 1989 first rounder, they took Andre Rison. They traded Rison a year later as part of a package deal with Atlanta to get the number one overall pick, Jeff George. From 1983 to 1998, the Colts never won 10 games. Denver, despite giving up two first round picks that turned out to be pro bowl offensive linemen, had a good run with Elway. Franchise qbs are 15-year investments. Worrying about the line situation for this year or the next is a waste of time. Whoever they take will likely be sitting for much or all of his rookie season anyway. Good post and a good example. Not 100% sure that I think a 1983 situation is applicable (a special year), and I think there are choices to show that thrusting a QB behind a bad offensive line falls apart to never recover. I don't know the Jeff George experience specifically and can't speak about his line, but since you brought him up I know he was sacked 56 times his second year on the way to a 1-15 record. And as you say, he was a #1 pick; why is his example less important than the success of John Elway? I don't know that a franchise QB is a 15 year investment anymore as well. Kirk Cousins new contract reads out to me like a new paradigm; let's just see of Matt Ryan or Aaron Rodgers resigns with their teams and if they do, how long they sign a contract. But your post certainly made me think I might be wrong. Cheers.
Freddie's Dead Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) I was probably the most vehement anti-Richard guy here when he joined the Bills. He has won me over since then by balling like a mofo, keeping his nose clean, and being a leader in the locker room. I was surprised the Bills asked him to take a pay cut, and even more surprised that he accepted it. He has been, BY FAR, the best OL on the Bills for the last three years. While the Bills may have done him a solid by initially picking him up, he has more than paid them back with his performance both on and off the field. This was a controversy that didn't need to be started. I don't know why McBeane decided to stiff Richard, of all people. But if you go out to www.spotrac.com, and look at what the Bills are paying their OL, it becomes clear why the Bills OL blows as badly as it does. Other than Richard, every guy is making less than $2M/yr. So I guess the Bills felt they needed to go after their highest-paid lineman. NEVER MIND THAT HE'S EARNED EVERY PENNY. I'm really scratching my head at this move by McBeane. Our OL right now is a hot mess. Edited April 10, 2018 by Freddie's Dead
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