FearLess Price Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 1 hour ago, cba fan said: Giants had decent draft? Gettleman overplayed his picks value and no one would trade with him. I hope Beane learns from his ineptitude. FAIL. Ineptitude? Teams havent even played pre season yet. You must not watch the Giants cuz Gettlemans been handling business in NJ. He grabbed a top RB and top OG to go along with the Solid LT they picked up in FA, than added pieces to an already decent defense. The Giants got hammered with injuries last year and this draft and fa they bplstered their weaknesses on the OL and in the backfield. They will compete for a WC this year as long as they stay moderatly healthy at key spots. You can argue he could've traded back and accumulated a lot of picks but at this point thats a hypothetical. If they hit on the 1st 2 picks their team is instantly better, same as us.
NoSaint Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 55 minutes ago, Gugny said: I think he fell because he's an arrogant little prick and due to his injury/concussion history. I don't think it has anything to do with politics or with him being outspoken. Team chemistry, to me, is the biggest concern; by all accounts, the kid is a major dick. And in a league that has a laserpoint focus on head injuries, even if the concussion "history" is more perceived than real ... I think it weighed heavily on teams' draft boards. I think you may be overstating “by all accounts”
Chris66 Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 Moment Gettlemen said you have to "run and stop the run" he should have been fired.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 19 minutes ago, Chris66 said: Moment Gettlemen said you have to "run and stop the run" he should have been fired. Huh, why would that be? Are you thinking it's because in the divisional round of the playoffs last year, only 3 of the final 8 teams had a run game out of the top-10 .....and all three of those teams LOST (Atlanta, Titans, and Pittsburgh)? Conf. championship was #3 run game vs #7 run game (#3 wins), #10 run game vs #1 run game (#10 wins) Superbowl was #3 vs #10 (#3 wins) Kind of looks to me like you have to run and stop the run in the NFL. 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yup and I agree. As much of some people think people turned off the nfl because of other factors, I think part of the reason was because they league kinda sucked to watch last year. The nfl is much better with a lot of good qbs. IMHO the league needs to rein the officiating into control and make it consistent. I turned off a bunch of games last year which had nothing to do with pre-game antics and everything to do with being disgusted by how inconsistent officiating impacted many of the games. 1
ColoradoBills Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 So I log into The Stadium Wall this morning to see Tyrod Taylor and Josh Rosen threads at the top of Page 1. Confused, I check the calendar and confirm it is in fact June 2nd. 1
HOUSE Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 I lost my pre draft notes, they got old so I tossed them....
John from Riverside Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Gugny said: I think he fell because he's an arrogant little prick and due to his injury/concussion history. I don't think it has anything to do with politics or with him being outspoken. Team chemistry, to me, is the biggest concern; by all accounts, the kid is a major dick. And in a league that has a laserpoint focus on head injuries, even if the concussion "history" is more perceived than real ... I think it weighed heavily on teams' draft boards. Late May I went up to UCLA for an advising conference.....at the Luskin Center where we stayed there was a event going on that several UCLA student's attended and my group stopped by. The student population is generally not a fan of Josh Rosen.....I think the proper term used by several students was "entitled" and "arrogant ass". This is the direct opposite of the trip up to Oregon me and my son took for his recruitment where Marcus Marriotta was exceptional and the oregon kids loved him and he spoke to a lot of them by name as we were walking across campus. P.S. It is amazing how far the tech for the athletic facilities as come.......the security and the facilities really upgraded when we me and my son to a recruitment visit up to UCLA the first time.......you would love it 3
njbuff Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 This is going to be a long 99 days. I suggest summer plans.
John from Riverside Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 1 hour ago, The Red King said: Keep in mind it doesn't have to be one or the other. It's not a shell game where we know there is only one good QB in the draft. It's quite possible Rosen does wonderful in Arizona, and Allen does remarkable in Buffalo. This is my feeling as well.....this was a QB draft and the biggest one in quite some time......there is a possibility that as many as 5 starting QBs come out of this draft. I am just glad the bills got in on the sweepstakes and didnt screw around looking at "other talent on the board" we still also got Edmunds with a 1st round pick. 1
BurpleBull Posted June 2, 2018 Author Posted June 2, 2018 On 4/10/2018 at 11:04 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think you can go to sleep without worries. The Patriots want to win. They need to restock other parts of their team, and no one hits 100% on draft picks. I'll go further and make a bold statement: no team with an established Franchise QB is gonna expend the draft picks to trade up and draft a QB. Moreover, usually teams drafting at the top, take a player that fills needs for them. I just made your bold statement bolder. The Ravens expended draft picks trading up to grab Lamar Jackson.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, BurpleBull said: I just made your bold statement bolder. The Ravens expended draft picks trading up to grab Lamar Jackson. That's quite true: " the Ravens sent their 52nd, 125th picks and a 2019 second-round selection to Philadelphia in exchange for the 32nd and 132nd selections this year" It's also true that context matters, and if you go back and look at the context of the statement you bolded, " no team with an established Franchise QB is gonna expend the draft picks to trade up and draft a QB.", you will see it was made in the context of discussions of expending the sort of draft capital needed to trade up into the top of the first round. Specifically, it was made in the context of your post: On 4/9/2018 at 2:33 PM, BurpleBull said: Giants are apparently now dangling Josh Rosen out there for the entire NFL and any club willing to pay up to get him. Would sure hate to wake up tomorrow and learn that the Patriots packaged their picks to secure the No.2 spot and Josh Rosen. As you can see, that didn't happen, and neither did any other team with an established franchise QB expend the draft capital to trade up into the top of the first round (the original context). 1
BB@Shooter Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Allen missed more games than Rosen in college. And not one of his teammates have said one word negative about him. Personally,, I think things worked out great for Rosen. Near home, playing for a pretty well run franchise. I also think Fitzgerald will be a great mentor for him. But Allen and Rosen will be forever linked here. Hopefully, McBeane (who’s offensive evaluations have been shaky at best so far) made the right choice. Allen missing more games than Rosen is misleading and you know it. In his first game he got hurt and had pins and screws put in his shoulder, knocking him out for the year. Last year he got hurt in the Air Force game and missed the 2nd half and two more full games. He came back and played in his bowl game. Something Rosen could have done but he decided to protect his ass in the draft and didn't play. Most of the media says he was OK to play in the bowl game. And how did sitting out his bowl game help Rosen in the draft? So Allen didn't actually miss as many games as you allude to. He was granted a redshirt for his injury of playing half of a game 1 season, his first season at Wyoming. Edited June 2, 2018 by BB@Shooter
John from Riverside Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 Just now, BB@Shooter said: Allen missing more games than Rosen is mis eading Yes it absolutely is. Its not a fair stat because Allen had an injury that definately takes longer to heal but DOES heal. Concussions on the other hand it is highly questionable if you ever truly heal from that....its a injury that you only have so many and then you are forced to retire. Also based on their style of play Allen is much more durable then Rosen......because actually ran with the ball at times and has excellent athletism. Rosen is a pure pocket passing qb who would get killed if he played the same way. 1
cba fan Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 1 hour ago, FearLess Price said: Ineptitude? Teams havent even played pre season yet. You must not watch the Giants cuz Gettlemans been handling business in NJ. He grabbed a top RB and top OG to go along with the Solid LT they picked up in FA, than added pieces to an already decent defense. The Giants got hammered with injuries last year and this draft and fa they bplstered their weaknesses on the OL and in the backfield. They will compete for a WC this year as long as they stay moderatly healthy at key spots. You can argue he could've traded back and accumulated a lot of picks but at this point thats a hypothetical. If they hit on the 1st 2 picks their team is instantly better, same as us. It's just my opinion, however, I have seen this movie time and again. lately with Flacco at Baltimore and Carson at Cards. Gettleman had a chance to get a stud QB without paying extra as he had #2 and could have moved down for net advantage of picks and still picked Rosen. Instead he now may have to mortgage the future to move up, like teams drafting in late 1st, when he needs QB. He choose to ride Eli which I believe will prove to be a fail. I firmly believe Eli is done and Giants will fold like a house of cards this year. Time will tell and I have been wrong before. I did predict Maclin going to a ship sinking slowly in Baltimore was correct.?
SouthNYfan Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 59 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Huh, why would that be? Are you thinking it's because in the divisional round of the playoffs last year, only 3 of the final 8 teams had a run game out of the top-10 .....and all three of those teams LOST (Atlanta, Titans, and Pittsburgh)? Conf. championship was #3 run game vs #7 run game (#3 wins), #10 run game vs #1 run game (#10 wins) Superbowl was #3 vs #10 (#3 wins) Kind of looks to me like you have to run and stop the run in the NFL. IMHO the league needs to rein the officiating into control and make it consistent. I turned off a bunch of games last year which had nothing to do with pre-game antics and everything to do with being disgusted by how inconsistent officiating impacted many of the games. I'm not so sure you have to be a top running team though, but you definitely have to be somewhat balanced. Stopping the run is very important, especially when you can do it with just your front 4-5 guys and leave the rest to defend the pass. Being consistent against the run can help to negate 2nd and short for the opposing team. Look at the advanced metrics of pittsburgh's defense after shazier went down. They gave up run plays of 7+ yards on something like 68% of rushes (i'm trying to remember, too lazy to look it up) That led to a lot of extended drives against them. Anyway, I think a balanced offense is very important. Passing and Pass Defense (including pass rush) are the most important things, but, you cannot just ignore running/run defense. I truly do think that the Giants taking Barkley was a mistake @ #2 though. He's now a top 3 paid back in the NFL day 1, and they could have gotten a guy 85%+ as good as him in the second round, while stockpiling a few picks. In the end though, them passing on Chubb led to Denver taking him, which led to us giving up less to move up and get Allen, which led to us having that second 1st rounder to get Edmunds, so really, even if Gettleman made a mistake, it benefited us significantly, so I'm okay with it =D
BurpleBull Posted June 2, 2018 Author Posted June 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That's quite true: " the Ravens sent their 52nd, 125th picks and a 2019 second-round selection to Philadelphia in exchange for the 32nd and 132nd selections this year" It's also true that context matters, and if you go back and look at the context of the statement you bolded, " no team with an established Franchise QB is gonna expend the draft picks to trade up and draft a QB.", you will see it was made in the context of discussions of expending the sort of draft capital needed to trade up into the top of the first round. Specifically, it was made in the context of your post: Giants are apparently now dangling Josh Rosen out there for the entire NFL and any club willing to pay up to get him. Would sure hate to wake up tomorrow and learn that the Patriots packaged their picks to secure the No.2 spot and Josh Rosen. As you can see, that didn't happen, and neither did any other team with an established franchise QB expend the draft capital to trade up into the top of the first round (the original context). Nope...I learned yesterday that disregarding context is very much encouraged in here. That is my offering. It really is too bad that the Ravens messed around and traded up for Flacco's replacement, because then you would've been right.
GunnerBill Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 6 hours ago, FearLess Price said: I guess ill be that guy... After the PR nightmare that was Elis benching in 2018, the Giants ended up taking Barkley at #2 going all in on Mannings last few years at QB. As for Rosen? Well conservative owners and Republican influence turned his outspoken political beliefs into a smear campaign labeled as "personality flaws" or "@sshole syndrome". Even tho he was the most developed passer in the draft he ended up going #10 to the Arizona Cardinals, where he proclaimed "there were 9 mistakes before me", forgetting to do the math of qbs vs other positions taken before him. Cards took him after failing to trade up for Allen. Early reports seem to insinuate Rosen might beat out Bradford in preseason or at least start if Bradford gets hurt. He is the definitive #2 qb. Where Josh Allen still sits at #3 on the depth chart behind career back up AJ McCarron and 2nd year struggle QB Pick5Petermen. As for the Giants? They had a decent draft, as long as they stay healthy they will challenge for a WC spot at least, this year. You are not the only one of "those guys". I 100% agree on why he dropped.
Cripple Creek Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 6 hours ago, FearLess Price said: I guess ill be that guy... After the PR nightmare that was Elis benching in 2018, the Giants ended up taking Barkley at #2 going all in on Mannings last few years at QB. As for Rosen? Well conservative owners and Republican influence turned his outspoken political beliefs into a smear campaign labeled as "personality flaws" or "@sshole syndrome". Even tho he was the most developed passer in the draft he ended up going #10 to the Arizona Cardinals, where he proclaimed "there were 9 mistakes before me", forgetting to do the math of qbs vs other positions taken before him. Cards took him after failing to trade up for Allen. Early reports seem to insinuate Rosen might beat out Bradford in preseason or at least start if Bradford gets hurt. He is the definitive #2 qb. Where Josh Allen still sits at #3 on the depth chart behind career back up AJ McCarron and 2nd year struggle QB Pick5Petermen. As for the Giants? They had a decent draft, as long as they stay healthy they will challenge for a WC spot at least, this year. For reals? You resurrected a thread long dead because Allen has been playing with the 3's? during OTAs? Does it make you feel any better that he was #1 for the rookie camp? 1
John from Riverside Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: For reals? You resurrected a thread long dead because Allen has been playing with the 3's? during OTAs? Does it make you feel any better that he was #1 for the rookie camp? Pretty ridiculous isn’t it Edited June 2, 2018 by John from Riverside
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