CamboBill Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) This is a revision of some preliminary thoughts I had on another thread, Tries to put things into context, which is useful when we are talking about mortgaging entire drafts. My rankings: 1) Sam D'Arnold Floor: J Cutler Ceiling: Eli Manning Most likely equivalent: B Bortles (with better intangibles) Comment: Concerns about ball protection but looks like sure fire pro 2) Lamar Jackson Floor: V Young Ceiling: S Young Most likely equivalent: S McNair+ Comments: Highest (likely to reach) upside in draft. Needs to overcome stereotypes and early poor choices in career management. 3)Josh Rosen: Floor: Chad Pennigton Ceiling: Phil Rivers Most likely Equivalent: Sam Bradford Comment: Most sure thing in draft but durability a major concern. 4) Josh Allen Floor: C Hackenburg Ceiling: B Rothlisberger Most Likely Equivalent J Flacco Comment: Riskiest choice in terms of bust potential, but tools to be an NFL star 5) Mason Rudolph Floor: B Weeden Ceiiling: Matt Stafford Most Likely Equivalent: Dak Prescott Comment:: Overlooked prospect. 6) Baker Mayfield Floor: Johnny Manziel Ceiling: D Brees Most Likely Equivalent: Case Keenum Comment: Has upside, but concerns over size and desire for celebrity status overshadow productivity and "swag" 7) K Lauletta Floor: Standard Backup with not enough arm to hold NFL starter job (high quality career back up) Ceiling: M Ryan Most Likely Equivalent: M Schaub+ Comment: Most accurate passer in draft. if only he had enough arm strength. Edited April 9, 2018 by CamboBill Upon further review Adjusted Lamar Jackson comparisons 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 16 minutes ago, CamboBill said: This is a revision of some preliminary thoughts I had on another thread, Tries to put things into context, which is useful when we are talking about mortgaging entire drafts. My rankings: 1) Sam D'Arnold Floor: J Cutler Ceiling: Eli Manning Most likely equivalent: B Bortles Comment: Concerns about ball protection but looks like sure fire pro 2) Lamar Jackson Floor: S McNair Ceiling: S Young Most likely equivalent: M Vick Comments: Highest (likely to reach) upside in draft. Needs to overcome stereotypes and early poor choices in career management. 3)Josh Rosen: Floor: Chad Pennigton Ceiling: Phil Rivers Most likely Equivalent: Sam Bradford Comment: Most sure thing in draft but durability a major concern. 4) Josh Allen Floor: C Hackenburg Ceiling: B Rothlisberger Most Likely Equivalent J Flacco Comment: Riskiest choice in terms of bust potential, but tools to be an NFL star 5) Mason Rudolph Floor: B Weeden Ceiiling: Matt Stafford Most Likely Equivalent: Dak Prescott Comment:: Overlooked prospect. 6) Baker Mayfield Floor: Johnny Manziel Ceiling: D Brees Most Likely Equivalent: Case Keenum Comment: Has upside, but concerns over size and desire for celebrity status overshadow productivity and "swag" 7) K Lauletta Floor: Standard Backup with not enough arm to hold NFL starter job (high quality career back up) Ceiling: M Ryan Most Likely Equivalent: M Schaub+ Comment: Most accurate passer in draft. if only he had enough arm strength. Lamar Jacksons floor is 30,000 passing yards and over 150 passing TDs... sounds like he's hands down the best in the draft according to you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamboBill Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Lamar Jacksons floor is 30,000 passing yards and over 150 passing TDs... sounds like he's hands down the best in the draft according to you I am admittedly a big fan of LJ .... but you make a valid point with the McNair comparison, I think I will adjust it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 13 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Lamar Jacksons floor is 30,000 passing yards and over 150 passing TDs... sounds like he's hands down the best in the draft according to you I'm in agreement, no one in this draft has more tools. He will be picked ahead of Mayfield and possibly Allen. Before you shoot us down, please review his game film and watch how he moves his feet in the pocket and keeps his weight balanced when forced to look at secondary targets. Plus he was trained in a much more complex offensive system then the others and has more "under center" snaps then anyone in the "top 4". I like Rosen but am concerned about durability, Darnold has smaller hands and may be seriously turnover prone, Mayfield is short and may have difficulty in picking out targets and Allen is literally so flawed I can't imagine him being a top 10 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said: I'm in agreement, no one in this draft has more tools. He will be picked ahead of Mayfield and possibly Allen. Before you shoot us down, please review his game film and watch how he moves his feet in the pocket and keeps his weight balanced when forced to look at secondary targets. Plus he was trained in a much more complex offensive system then the others and has more "under center" snaps then anyone in the "top 4". I like Rosen but am concerned about durability, Darnold has smaller hands and may be seriously turnover prone, Mayfield is short and may have difficulty in picking out targets and Allen is literally so flawed I can't imagine him being a top 10 pick. I have watched every snap of every top QB prospect from this draft including Lamar Jackson He is very gifted but has a way to go before becoming a good NFL passer consistently... He tends to float deep balls which he will need to clean up at the NFL level... safeties will eat it up people always compare him to Vick but he's not Vick... I was fortunate to see Vick in college live and Lamar and they aren't the same... Michael also played under center at Tech and he had the quickest delivery I've ever seen. He had great mechanics and the ball left Michaels hand like no other He had tons of personal problems but his skill was top notch hence going #1... I may be wrong but my eyes do not see the same arm talent between Vick and Jackson Edited April 9, 2018 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 I like the idea of the comparisons. The only problem I am having here is your floor and ceilings are completely different type of players. There doesnt seem to be any congruency there. Specifically: Floor: Chad Pennington Ceiling: Philip Rivers They are two very different players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 58 minutes ago, CamboBill said: This is a revision of some preliminary thoughts I had on another thread, Tries to put things into context, which is useful when we are talking about mortgaging entire drafts. My rankings: 1) Sam D'Arnold Floor: J Cutler Ceiling: Eli Manning Most likely equivalent: B Bortles Comment: Concerns about ball protection but looks like sure fire pro 2) Lamar Jackson Floor: V Young Ceiling: S Young Most likely equivalent: S McNair+ Comments: Highest (likely to reach) upside in draft. Needs to overcome stereotypes and early poor choices in career management. 3)Josh Rosen: Floor: Chad Pennigton Ceiling: Phil Rivers Most likely Equivalent: Sam Bradford Comment: Most sure thing in draft but durability a major concern. 4) Josh Allen Floor: C Hackenburg Ceiling: B Rothlisberger Most Likely Equivalent J Flacco Comment: Riskiest choice in terms of bust potential, but tools to be an NFL star 5) Mason Rudolph Floor: B Weeden Ceiiling: Matt Stafford Most Likely Equivalent: Dak Prescott Comment:: Overlooked prospect. 6) Baker Mayfield Floor: Johnny Manziel Ceiling: D Brees Most Likely Equivalent: Case Keenum Comment: Has upside, but concerns over size and desire for celebrity status overshadow productivity and "swag" 7) K Lauletta Floor: Standard Backup with not enough arm to hold NFL starter job (high quality career back up) Ceiling: M Ryan Most Likely Equivalent: M Schaub+ Comment: Most accurate passer in draft. if only he had enough arm strength. Which games did you watch on these guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamboBill Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: I like the idea of the comparisons. The only problem I am having here is your floor and ceilings are completely different type of players. There doesnt seem to be any congruency there. Specifically: Floor: Chad Pennington Ceiling: Philip Rivers They are two very different players. Fair comment. it is a bit hard to match all comparisons perfectly .... there are so many variables. Rosen's good tape reminds me a lot of Phil Rivers on a good day. I guess where I am going with the Pennington comparison is his high accuracy but also lack of mobility and how it lead to injuries derailing his career. He also feuded with the media a lot in NYC ... which if reports about Rosen's outspoken attitude is true, could also be a basis of comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) 28 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said: I'm in agreement, no one in this draft has more tools. He will be picked ahead of Mayfield and possibly Allen. Before you shoot us down, please review his game film and watch how he moves his feet in the pocket and keeps his weight balanced when forced to look at secondary targets. Plus he was trained in a much more complex offensive system then the others and has more "under center" snaps then anyone in the "top 4". I like Rosen but am concerned about durability, Darnold has smaller hands and may be seriously turnover prone, Mayfield is short and may have difficulty in picking out targets and Allen is literally so flawed I can't imagine him being a top 10 pick. This might be the most electrifying highlight video I've ever seen. He appears to be operating in a faster level of reality, or some such. He is incredible. Of course, I still don't want him as the Bills QB, and doubt they will draft him. Edited April 9, 2018 by OJABBA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 1 hour ago, CamboBill said: This is a revision of some preliminary thoughts I had on another thread, Tries to put things into context, which is useful when we are talking about mortgaging entire drafts. My rankings: 1) Sam D'Arnold Floor: J Cutler Ceiling: Eli Manning Most likely equivalent: B Bortles Comment: Concerns about ball protection but looks like sure fire pro 2) Lamar Jackson Floor: V Young Ceiling: S Young Most likely equivalent: S McNair+ Comments: Highest (likely to reach) upside in draft. Needs to overcome stereotypes and early poor choices in career management. 3)Josh Rosen: Floor: Chad Pennigton Ceiling: Phil Rivers Most likely Equivalent: Sam Bradford Comment: Most sure thing in draft but durability a major concern. 4) Josh Allen Floor: C Hackenburg Ceiling: B Rothlisberger Most Likely Equivalent J Flacco Comment: Riskiest choice in terms of bust potential, but tools to be an NFL star 5) Mason Rudolph Floor: B Weeden Ceiiling: Matt Stafford Most Likely Equivalent: Dak Prescott Comment:: Overlooked prospect. 6) Baker Mayfield Floor: Johnny Manziel Ceiling: D Brees Most Likely Equivalent: Case Keenum Comment: Has upside, but concerns over size and desire for celebrity status overshadow productivity and "swag" 7) K Lauletta Floor: Standard Backup with not enough arm to hold NFL starter job (high quality career back up) Ceiling: M Ryan Most Likely Equivalent: M Schaub+ Comment: Most accurate passer in draft. if only he had enough arm strength. I still want to know what games you watched so I can take your opinion credibly. Darnold- ceiling: Rivers, floor: Winston Rosen- Ceiling: Manning, floor: Bradford Mayfield- Ceiling: Brees, Floor: Manziel Rudolph- Ceiling: Prescott, Floor: Bridgewater Allen- Ceiling: Flacco, Floor: Anderson Jackson: Ceiling: Vick, Floor: less accurate RG3 White: Ceiling: Schaub, Floor: Webb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamboBill Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) 55 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said: I'm in agreement, no one in this draft has more tools. He will be picked ahead of Mayfield and possibly Allen. Before you shoot us down, please review his game film and watch how he moves his feet in the pocket and keeps his weight balanced when forced to look at secondary targets. Plus he was trained in a much more complex offensive system then the others and has more "under center" snaps then anyone in the "top 4". I like Rosen but am concerned about durability, Darnold has smaller hands and may be seriously turnover prone, Mayfield is short and may have difficulty in picking out targets and Allen is literally so flawed I can't imagine him being a top 10 pick. Unfortunately, there is no evidence that the Bills even remotely interested in LJ.. I just hope they do not trade away the farm for a qb that is inferior or even subpar to LJ. Edited April 9, 2018 by CamboBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Hmmm. A QB prospect comparison thread. Interesting idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 1 hour ago, CamboBill said: I am admittedly a big fan of LJ .... but you make a valid point with the McNair comparison, I think I will adjust it. I would make Lamar Jacksons floor and equivalent the same player, JaMarcus Russell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamboBill Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I would make Lamar Jacksons floor and equivalent the same player, JaMarcus Russell. That's not fair ... Lamar has never been associated with "Purple Drank" as Russell was. Also Russell's playing weight want over 290 lbs (damn munchies) while most people complain Lamar is too thin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Darnold, Rosen Mayfield--- very good prospects that are sure fire pros IMO. Jackson, has little girl legs will never play a full season. Allen, bust, Cutler2.0 at best. Rudolph, has potential after sitting a year or two. All others drafted later in the draft. backups with a small chance to be starters, if Tyrod/Fitz can be a starter after years of sitting anyone can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Matthew Stafford has one of the strongest arms in the NFL and Mason Rudolphs biggest complaint is that he doesn't have a pro sized arm. That seems like a reach. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 1 hour ago, CamboBill said: I am admittedly a big fan of LJ .... but you make a valid point with the McNair comparison, I think I will adjust it. Change your floor to Vince Young. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamboBill Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Matthew Stafford has one of the strongest arms in the NFL and Mason Rudolphs biggest complaint is that he doesn't have a pro sized arm. That seems like a reach. Fair point, but both have deep ball accuracy and touch and could thrive in a vertical type of offense, it is possible to throw a good deep ball and not have the strongest arm in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 52 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Matthew Stafford has one of the strongest arms in the NFL and Mason Rudolphs biggest complaint is that he doesn't have a pro sized arm. That seems like a reach. Weeden had an incredibly strong arm too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Rosen_Mayfield-Jackson: I’d be fine with any of these three, and don’t really mind paying through the nose for them, either. But it’s likely we could get Jackson or even Mayfield without having to move up into the top 5....so I’m leaning towards them. Darnold: sure, why not? Don’t want to give up two or more firsts for him, tho. Rudolph: I don’t mind taking a flyer on him in the 2nd round, although the Bills would likely have to pick him at 22. Which I’m not thrilled with. Allen: if he somehow slips past the 2nd round, sure, grab him. But to select this obvious bust in the first round, or, god forbid, to actually trade up for the Privilege of drafting him would be a disaster for this organization. It would set us back at least 5 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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