Tyrod's friend Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 I'm sorry, if you think that Mayfield got less right on the white board than Rudolph, you heard the wrong interview. All Rudolph did was repeat verbatim what Mooch said. Baker actually elaborated on Mooch's commentary, he amplified and gave different variables. I don't think the conversations were even marginally in the same area. I don't care one wit if Mason remembered the names of the players. Mayfield talked about different looks that he might face using that offense and how he'd respond to those variables. Every fighter has a plan til he gets hit - Mike Tyson. You want a QB to handle pressure, Baker Mayfield knew his reads and his performance - pretty much, from what I've read, this is what he did alone best of any QB this year - got better when the play broke down. 1
USABuffaloFan Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said: I'm sorry, if you think that Mayfield got less right on the white board than Rudolph, you heard the wrong interview. All Rudolph did was repeat verbatim what Mooch said. Baker actually elaborated on Mooch's commentary, he amplified and gave different variables. I don't think the conversations were even marginally in the same area. I don't care one wit if Mason remembered the names of the players. Mayfield talked about different looks that he might face using that offense and how he'd respond to those variables. Every fighter has a plan til he gets hit - Mike Tyson. You want a QB to handle pressure, Baker Mayfield knew his reads and his performance - pretty much, from what I've read, this is what he did alone best of any QB this year - got better when the play broke down. This is why everyone has different thoughts on the draft. You and I am sure are from different generations. 1
Tyrod's friend Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, USABuffaloFan said: This is why everyone has different thoughts on the draft. You and I am sure are from different generations. Ain't it the truth .. I love the different point of views. But the oddity is that we probably are from the same generation. I'd guess you loved the '68 Rose Bowl as much as I did.
USABuffaloFan Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said: Ain't it the truth .. I love the different point of views. But the oddity is that we probably are from the same generation. I'd guess you loved the '68 Rose Bowl as much as I did. 53, not sure I was watching that one.
Kwai San Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 4 hours ago, USABuffaloFan said: Neither of these guys have played a full year of games in the NFL. Right now they project well but they are good QB's. Rudolph has nothing in common right now with these guys, never took a NFL snap. Right now McCarron is 2-1 in NFL regular season and took team to NFL playoffs and played pretty good in a playoff game. That is more than any of the 3 QB's you mentioned did so far. Grappolos 7 wins are nice, they came on a Superbowl team starting a season and last year end of season nothing to lose situation, good but not the same playing for the playoffs. I give McCarron a step on this having played in a playoff game. By the way he has TWO College Championships! I am on the AJM bandwagon......I think he will surprise us all - dude is committed and hungry - he WANTS to be a starter......I am all in on AJ. The more I find out the more I like it.
YoloinOhio Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) Whose draft profile is this? Any guesses? Quote HANDS: 9 1/4" Is one of only two quarterbacks to throw for more than 5,000 yards in a season COMBINE STATS 40 YARD DASH: 4.97 SEC Strengths Has a very quick trigger and good wrist snap that translates to a smooth throwing motion and clean, compact delivery (no windup). Lightning release quickness. Urgent decision maker. Sells play-action. Athletic enough to slide in the pocket and buy time with his feet while keeping his eyes downfield. Good anticipation -- throws his receivers open. Can change ball speeds and drop it in a bucket. Does not take unnecessary sacks and will dump the ball. Will deliver the ball looking down the barrel of a gun. Tough-minded and poised in the pocket -- can withstand a hit and pop back up. Highly competitive. Smart, respected, vocal team leader. Very durable, experienced, four-year starter. Good football intelligence. Weaknesses Is a tad undersized with small hands and short arms. Uses a three-quarters delivery that could lead to batted balls. Works heavily out of the shotgun in a spread offense, and footwork could require adjustment to working from under center. Does not always feel pressure in the pocket. Does not rip the deep out or drive the ball with high RPMs. Undershoots and often hangs the deep ball. Makes receivers work for the ball downfield, and deep accuracy could stand to improve. Makes a lot of simple, one-look reads and was not heavily challenged by consistent pressure or complex looks in the XXX Conference. A decorated passer, XXX could excite quarterback coaches with his quick delivery, mental make-up and work habits, yet he still needs to prove he can fit the ball into tight windows and do more than carve up soft shells the way he regularly did on his way to a record-breaking performance in college. Possesses the physical tools to eventually earn an NFL starting job in a rhythm passing game with continued refinement but is more of a caretaker than a game changer and will require some patience adapting to the NFL game. Edited April 9, 2018 by YoloinOhio
Big Blitz Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 Rudolph is growing on me. Spent the day reading more about him thanks to this thread. My updated: Darnold Mayfield/Rudolph/Rosen (flip a coin) Lamar Allen (trending down for me) I'm at the point taking him at 12 works for me.
BobbyC81 Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 12 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Sharp kid Very “process” As an aside, Mayfield played hurt too He's a man!!
Tyrod's friend Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Whose draft profile is this? Any guesses? I'm going with Kellen Moore.
BobbyC81 Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said: I'm going with Kellen Moore. Every time I see his name, I think Kelly-Moore paints.
BobbyC81 Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 12 hours ago, BobDVA said: I billieved that we would get Rudolph at 22, now I think we have to take him at 12 because the Patcheatiots* will jump a head of us and take him before 22. They're close now at 23.
purple haze Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 5 hours ago, USABuffaloFan said: You had me all the way even trading up from 22 till you said Rudolph. I truly believe him and Jackson slip to 2nd and beyond. I mentioned Rudolph bc he was the QB mentioned in the comment I was responding to. I think Jackson and Rudolph are going in 1st. And Rudolph ain't my first, second, third or fourth choice. BUT he does have skills. It's hard to ignore that he feels like a Beane and McD type of guy. A lot of experience, productive, big in stature, a pocket QB. I won't be shocked if they took him; if they can't trade up that is.
K-9 Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Whose draft profile is this? Any guesses? Jimmy G. 1
YoloinOhio Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 4 hours ago, Tyrod's friend said: I'm going with Kellen Moore. Jimmy G.
WideRightRevenge Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 10 hours ago, purple haze said: No need to trade back. Grab Roquan Smith, Tremaine Edmunds, Denzel Ward at 12. Trade up from 22, a few spots and give up a 3rd; grab Rudolph in the teens. Love this scenario
Tyrod's friend Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Jimmy G. you can see why I thought it was KM. The attributes positive and negative both match to JG. FWIW ... my guess was without the benefit of Google. STRENGTHS Moore is a strong leader and very poised in the pocket and under pressure. He has a quick pass set that is balanced and under control. He gets rid of the ball quickly and picks his spots effectively, although his release is slightly a 3/4 sidearm. He has all the intangibles and is a very accurate thrower both short and long. He understands route progressions and how to put touch on the ball. He will scan the field and locate his second and third options. This is a quarterback that is under control. WEAKNESSES Moore is just under six feet tall, which is the major knock on his game as it translates to the next level. He struggles when throwing on the run and working outside the pocket, and is a very slow mover with his feet. The biggest knock on Moore is his arm strength, as he doesn't show the ability to drive the ball down the field with velocity. With the timing and effectiveness he has worked with under Boise State's system, Moore often lobs the ball and puts touch on it, his deep outs will likely be intercepted early in the NFL if he can't learn to drive it harder.
MrEpsYtown Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 10 hours ago, USABuffaloFan said: We have to remember some of these kids are barely 20 years old. They may still be growing into their bodies. I take back about Rudolph, be fine at 22, he had good college stats. He won't start in 2018 anyway. I personally still like Lauletta and McCarron. Yeah the problem with that argument is that Rudolph is actually 22 and will be 23 when the season starts. He will not be growing into his body and his hands will not get bigger. Mayfield turns 23 in a couple of days. These guys are not particularly young. Allen is 21 going on 22. Darnold is 20 going on 21. Rosen just turned 21. Jackson just turned 21.
T master Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 If he is half what the last player the Bills got from OSU he will still be great I can't see why they would blow out the draft to get a guy that could be a great player no more than this guy could be a great player .
YoloinOhio Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Tyrod's friend said: you can see why I thought it was KM. The attributes positive and negative both match to JG. FWIW ... my guess was without the benefit of Google. STRENGTHS Moore is a strong leader and very poised in the pocket and under pressure. He has a quick pass set that is balanced and under control. He gets rid of the ball quickly and picks his spots effectively, although his release is slightly a 3/4 sidearm. He has all the intangibles and is a very accurate thrower both short and long. He understands route progressions and how to put touch on the ball. He will scan the field and locate his second and third options. This is a quarterback that is under control. WEAKNESSES Moore is just under six feet tall, which is the major knock on his game as it translates to the next level. He struggles when throwing on the run and working outside the pocket, and is a very slow mover with his feet. The biggest knock on Moore is his arm strength, as he doesn't show the ability to drive the ball down the field with velocity. With the timing and effectiveness he has worked with under Boise State's system, Moore often lobs the ball and puts touch on it, his deep outs will likely be intercepted early in the NFL if he can't learn to drive it harder. I thought there were some interesting comparisons between Rudolph’s draft profile and Jimmy G’s. Rudolph is bigger (6’5 vs 6’2 and slightly faster 4.9 vs 4.97). Similar offenses in college though Rudolph went against higher level competition. Eastern Illinois ran a JV version of the Baylor Offense. Both put up 5000 yards in a season and started 3+ years (both played at least some games as a true freshman). Both can see their deep balls hang a bit. Both had underrated athleticism in the pocket. the issue is that Jimmy G was not ready to start as a rookie. When he played, he was clearly a work in progress. It took him 2-3 years behind Brady and under Josh McDaniels to look like an nfl starter. Rudolph could be the next Jimmy G, but it won’t likely happen in Buffalo. They don’t have the luxury of waiting that long and they don’t have the QB for him to learn under. I think he’s a viable QB of the future for a team looking to groom someone but not for a team like the Browns, Jets, Bills. I actually think the NYG could take him if they trade down with the Bills. He’s a Schurmer type. 1
gobills1212 Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) 21 hours ago, thunderingsquid said: True. Not as much zip on the ball in a lot of his highlights. I've also mentioned I think the ball can look REALLY awkward coming out of his hands sometimes but I could get behind building him up in the pros if needed. I often think of Andy Dalton as a fear in that we get one of these lesser guys bc the top tier is gone and then struggle with is he the guy or not for xx years. We kind of had that with taylor but were lucky enough that the regime wanted their own guy. Had Rex have been here, who knows how long tt would be at the helm. That said, if he was still here we would be winning so that might be a wash. I guess I just think abt former 2nd rounders and think man.. even though carr had a down year last year - a guy like that wld be great. But a Dalton... not so much. Tannehill was 8th overall, so it can happen in any round... but that middling is he the guy or isnt he is a tough spot. Now the Phins might be after a qb again as well and the Bengals just keep on keeping on with AD and I just think blah. I even took a look at some Dalton college highlights, and just came to the conclusion I keep coming to with everything. There are things you cant point out.. but in the end - you just dont know! Edited April 9, 2018 by gobills1212 1
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