CuddyDark Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: I give up. I hope they stay at 12 and take Rudolph at 22. Then, we can sit on our butts and wait 3 years for him to debut and hope and pray that he's learned how to read a legitimate NFL defense and make throws through tight windows over the middle. WONDERFUL!!!!!!!!! Good now we're in the same place with these QBs. I feel like that about all of them except Mayfield or Jackson.
#34fan Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 This year's Russell Wilson is Riley Ferguson... Bank on it.
IgotBILLStopay Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 I dont mind a non Rosen / Mayfield pick at 22. But, please please not at #12.
billspro Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 58 minutes ago, JohnC said: Are you talking about Gunner? If the criticisms get too heated he puts on his worn out raincoat and gets lost in the crowd at the neighborhood pub. No, the CBS guy is not afraid to go against the grain. All of the analysts at nfl.com and ESPN have very similar opinions. It gets boring reading the same thing over and over. I'm sure NFL teams have very different opinions on a lot of these prospects. If Rudolph ends up being the best QB from this class he is going to look like a genius.
PIZ Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 It's nice to see some coming around to Rudolph. Lots of us on here have been saying he is the guy in the 1st, and have been bashed for it. I personally think he is the guy Beane was referring to after trading into #12, when he said to his guys "why are we looking at this guy? He's not going to be available at 22"....or something like that.
GunnerBill Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: If we draft Rudolph over Rosen or Mayfield I’ll be pissed. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. I am not passing on the superior talent (especially in Rosen’s case). Oh I think there is no way we draft hin over them. He is the backup option if they can't get up only I suspect and that is how I view him too.
Buffalo Bills Detective Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 41 minutes ago, PIZ said: It's nice to see some coming around to Rudolph. Lots of us on here have been saying he is the guy in the 1st, and have been bashed for it. I personally think he is the guy Beane was referring to after trading into #12, when he said to his guys "why are we looking at this guy? He's not going to be available at 22"....or something like that. Rightfully so.
BobbyC81 Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 5 hours ago, HappyDays said: The thing that worries me with Rudolph is he comes from the Air Raid offense and there are very few if any Air Raid QBs that have made the transition to the NFL. That being said he seems smart enough to figure out NFL offenses if he's given time to develop. This video made me a believer: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000919190/Combine-Whiteboard-Mason-Rudolph-with-Steve-Mariucci His arm strength doesn't worry me. It is good enough for the NFL. He'll have to get accustomed to NFL speed and learn to work through progressions faster. I'd take him in the 20s and hope his football smarts make him a good one-year project. If he picks up a pro offense quickly enough he could see starting time before his rookie season is over. I still don't get why the NFL teams refuse to adapt to what QBs are comfortable with in college. Who dictated what an NFL offense should look like? If a QB excelled in college in an Air Raid offense, why doesn't the NFL team that drafts him hire an OC that has been successful with that offense and implement it? Why make the QBs have to "transition to an NFL offense"? The most infamous NFL OC/head coach that actually did this was June Jones with the run-and-shoot. I don't understand why there haven't been more.
NewEraBills Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 6 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: If we draft Rudolph over Rosen or Mayfield I’ll be pissed. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. I am not passing on the superior talent (especially in Rosen’s case). I don't think it's a matter of drafting him over Rosen or Mayfield. I think it's more of in case we can't get Rosen or Mayfield.
K D Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 Rudolph has a million question marks coming out of a bs gimmicky offense and he did nothing in the offseason to answer those questions. He had to fake an injury to get out of the senior bowl where he was going to look like a fool vs better players like Mayfield, Allen, even probably White and Lauletta. Then he gets to the combine and doesn't know how to do a 3 step drop and was literally throwing the ball into the ground because he's too unathletic to figure out the concept. Chris Trepasso last year grabbed on to the idea that this was a senior with ideal size and stats so he must be good so I'll make a name for myself by going against the grain and say he's the top QB prospect. Perhaps at one point he was up there but then you need to evaluate how this player translates to the next level and nothing he has shown is NFL caliber. I would urge anyone who is on the Rudolph train to watch the tape for yourselves and let me know where you see an NFL level throw because it's all lob passes and dink and dunks
LeGOATski Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 I've never been down on Rudolph. I just think 12 is a reach. That said, QBs are usually taken too early because it's the most important position. His velocity is something that can be improved at the next level. My biggest question mark is actually his leadership potential. I admittedly know very little about his personal makeup, but from interviews and stories, he just seems like he could be too immature (in terms of life experience/relatability) at this time to be expected to lead a group of men. It could be a non-issue or it could be a problem. Who knows. Maybe McDermott's "process" is perfect for mitigating that, if it's an issue.
NoSaint Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: I've never been down on Rudolph. I just think 12 is a reach. That said, QBs are usually taken too early because it's the most important position. His velocity is something that can be improved at the next level. My biggest question mark is actually his leadership potential. I admittedly know very little about his personal makeup, but from interviews and stories, he just seems like he could be too immature (in terms of life experience/relatability) at this time to be expected to lead a group of men. It could be a non-issue or it could be a problem. Who knows. Maybe McDermott's "process" is perfect for mitigating that, if it's an issue. At some point this class is going to hit a wall and guys will fall. Something like 6 QBs in the top half of the first round after one of the best free agent classes in a long time seems crazy. Especially if some GMs see a few of the guys as interchangeable.
JohnC Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 2 hours ago, billspro said: No, the CBS guy is not afraid to go against the grain. All of the analysts at nfl.com and ESPN have very similar opinions. It gets boring reading the same thing over and over. I'm sure NFL teams have very different opinions on a lot of these prospects. If Rudolph ends up being the best QB from this class he is going to look like a genius. I was responding in jest because Gunner has also not been reluctant to go against the grain.
billspro Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 Just now, JohnC said: I was responding in jest because Gunner has also not been reluctant to go against the grain. Gunner does a very good job with his analysis.
JohnC Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 Just now, billspro said: Gunner does a very good job with his analysis. Gunner, Bandit and Bloke are terrific. What I find most interesting is not when they usually agree but when they have fundamental differences. I believe that it is Bandito who embraces Josh Allen more than the other two stalwarts. On this issue I lean toward the Bandit.
Augie Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 I think I like Rudolph more than most, but NOT over Rosen or Mayfield!
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 Is this the same group @CBS that picks against the Bills time and again? what did they say about Prescott prior to him being drafted?
JohnC Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Augie said: I think I like Rudolph more than most, but NOT over Rosen or Mayfield! If you like Rudolph but prefer either Rosen or Mayfield then the question is whether it would be worth it to move up to get one of the qbs you like better or stay at 12 and get Rudolph and still have a full complement of picks? If either Rosen ,Mayfield or Allen slides then the price for moving up becomes less costly. My feeling is if you have a conviction on a qb or two then be aggressive. If there isn't much disparity in rankings then be less aggressive or simply wait for the draft to come to you. It's not an easy call. If I had to guess right now I would say that the Bills are targeting Rosen and Allen. If a reasonable deal can be made then I see the Bills making the move for one of them.
purple haze Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: If we draft Rudolph over Rosen or Mayfield I’ll be pissed. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. I am not passing on the superior talent (especially in Rosen’s case). Beane might not be able to move up for either of them. Or he might not want to move up for either of them for whatever reason. No reason to be pissed unless you know their draft board.
reddogblitz Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) Dak Prescott's playoff record is the same as Hotrod's even with a monster run game. 0-1. Not good enough. Edited April 9, 2018 by reddogblitz
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