ganesh Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 9 hours ago, billspro said: It is definitely a breath of fresh air to have a draft analyst formulate an opinion not in line with everyone else. At this time of the year, it is hard to believe who is telling the truth. Everyone is getting someone to talk about them. The stakes have become way too high....This is an exciting year when 6 QBs are likely to go in the top 15 and may be even a few other in the top half of the 2nd round.....
YoloinOhio Posted April 9, 2018 Author Posted April 9, 2018 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: Dak Prescott's playoff record is the same as Hotrod's even with a monster run game. 0-1. Not good enough. Prescott went 12-4, won the division, and went to the playoffs as a rookie. Tyrod won 8 games and went to the playoffs in his 7th season. He also had an all-pro RB. Not sure you can say Dak isn’t “good enough” at this point.
reddogblitz Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 24 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Prescott went 12-4, won the division, and went to the playoffs as a rookie. Tyrod won 8 games and went to the playoffs in his 7th season. He also had an all-pro RB. Not sure you can say Dak isn’t “good enough” at this point. Show me the baby. 1
YoloinOhio Posted April 9, 2018 Author Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Show me the baby. We all want things. People in hell want ice water. I want you to stop calling TT “hotrod” and to get rid of the TT wearing a fedora avatar. You want Dak’s baby. Edited April 9, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1
reddogblitz Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 20 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: We all want things. People in hell want ice water. I want you to stop calling TT “hotrod” and to get rid of the TT wearing a fedora avatar. You want Dak’s baby. Wins are all I want 1
Gugny Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 Dak was Dak because of the O Line and Zeke. Games are won in the trenches. A top 5 O line makes any good QB, great. 1
Augie Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Gugny said: Dak was Dak because of the O Line and Zeke. Games are won in the trenches. A top 5 O line makes any good QB, great. ALMOST any QB, but yes, win the line of scrimmage and you should win the game.
GreggTX Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 11 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...what about 22 or with the first 2nd?.......... I can't see any reason to take Rudolph before the very late 2nd round. Yes, some team might reach for him. Yes, he may turn out better than predicted, but most draftniks say he will be very average. I wouldn't mind taking him late on day 2 as a 2nd option, but please not in round 1. 19 minutes ago, Gugny said: Dak was Dak because of the O Line and Zeke. Games are won in the trenches. A top 5 O line makes any good QB, great. Great? I think that's a stretch. How about "much better"?
Doc Brown Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 You know Baker and Taylor and Bradford and Cousins, Allen and Rosen and Darnold and Jackson but do you recall .... The draft can't get here soon enough.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 11 hours ago, reddogblitz said: Dak Prescott's playoff record is the same as Hotrod's even with a monster run game. 0-1. Not good enough. Man oh man .... You really need to work on your take 56 Yards
Gugny Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 9 hours ago, GreggTX said: Great? I think that's a stretch. How about "much better"? Okay, sure. I'm down with compromising.
MrEpsYtown Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 Article on how finding the next draft steal is an inexact science and very difficult to identify. It basically talks about how Dak stepped into an ideal situation for success in terms of players around him. Interesting read. It also mentioned how Cincy had Andy Dalton #2 on their board after Cam that year. They still waited and did not overdraft him. https://www.theringer.com/2017/4/24/16042746/nfl-draft-quarterback-steals-dak-prescott-russell-wilson-4ec09ab7f4a1
jrober38 Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 I don't see any similarities at all between Prescott and Rudolph. 1
MrEpsYtown Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 Last season Jerod Evans of Vigninia Tech was said to be the next Dak. Oh and here is an article that lists the top 5 possibilities of being the next Dak Prescott from the 2017 draft. #1 on the list: Nathan Peterman https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-draft-2017-5-quarterbacks-who-could-be-next-dak-prescott-120516 This what someone wrote about Nathan Peterman: "Peterman wasn't asked to be "the man" at Pitt, but when you watch his game tape, it's hard to say that he wasn't. I love his footwork. I love his accuracy. I love his tenacity. He doesn't have the best arm in the world. He rolled out on a lot of bootlegs. He doesn't have a totally ideal frame. To all that, I say put on the Clemson tape. This guy is the top sleeper at the position and could prove to be a Day Two steal." So yeah. We can find articles that defend our guys, or we can do true analysis and see that Rudolph is a guy who will not be able to make NFL level throws. Teams are trying to push him up the board to get a team to panic which forces talent down the board.
YoloinOhio Posted April 9, 2018 Author Posted April 9, 2018 The comparison in the article is about playing style, not being a “steal” like Dak was.
dave mcbride Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 13 hours ago, reddogblitz said: Dak Prescott's playoff record is the same as Hotrod's even with a monster run game. 0-1. Not good enough. Oh jeez. Prescott was 24-38 for 302 yards, 3 tds, and 1 turnover (pick) for a 103.2 rating. The Cowboys scored 31 points and lost on a miracle play by Rodgers. Prescott did not "lose" the game. People, be better than this. (Also, Yolo: the Cowboys went 13-3, not 12-4.) 1
jrober38 Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: The comparison in the article is about playing style, not being a “steal” like Dak was. How can that be true though? One guy was a zone read QB who rushed for 2,500 yards. The other guy is purely a spread pocket passer who rushed for 250 yards.
YoloinOhio Posted April 9, 2018 Author Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: How can that be true though? One guy was a zone read QB who rushed for 2,500 yards. The other guy is purely a spread pocket passer who rushed for 250 yards. I guess you will need to read it... it’s just one analyst’s opinion Edited April 9, 2018 by YoloinOhio
MrEpsYtown Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: The comparison in the article is about playing style, not being a “steal” like Dak was. Trappaso's argument is just simply wrong. It is inaccurate. Plus I have to take all of his articles with a grain of salt because he clearly has an agenda when it comes to his Rudolph love. "Prescott didn't enter the NFL with a huge arm" This is wrong. Comparing Dak's arm strength to Rudolph is such a lazy way to try and support his argument. Here is Greg Cosell: Arm strength is not an issue with Prescott. He can make every required NFL throw. He doesn’t have the arm strength of Joe Flacco or Matt Stafford, but he doesn’t have limitations like many quarterbacks around the league. Rudolph has a limitations in his arm strength. Dak had a really good arm, huge hands, and physical specimen. He dropped because the spread offense and his arrest. What makes them most similar is that they often threw to wide open receivers and struggled making accurate tight window throws. The Cowboys offense allows Dak to continue to throw to mostly open receivers. Plus he fell into a great situation. The Cowboys only took him because they couldn't trade up for Paxton Lynch and missed out on Connor Cook. He was a second round pick who fell to the fourth. Rudolph is a third round pick who people want to draft at 12. 1
BigBuff423 Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said: Trappaso's argument is just simply wrong. It is inaccurate. Plus I have to take all of his articles with a grain of salt because he clearly has an agenda when it comes to his Rudolph love. "Prescott didn't enter the NFL with a huge arm" This is wrong. Comparing Dak's arm strength to Rudolph is such a lazy way to try and support his argument. Here is Greg Cosell: Arm strength is not an issue with Prescott. He can make every required NFL throw. He doesn’t have the arm strength of Joe Flacco or Matt Stafford, but he doesn’t have limitations like many quarterbacks around the league. Rudolph has a limitations in his arm strength. Dak had a really good arm, huge hands, and physical specimen. He dropped because the spread offense and his arrest. What makes them most similar is that they often threw to wide open receivers and struggled making accurate tight window throws. The Cowboys offense allows Dak to continue to throw to mostly open receivers. Plus he fell into a great situation. The Cowboys only took him because they couldn't trade up for Paxton Lynch and missed out on Connor Cook. He was a second round pick who fell to the fourth. Rudolph is a third round pick who people want to draft at 12. 1. The bolded part seems to be the qualifier as "huge" in that Dak's is fine, it's not just Stafford like. Rudolph has average arm strength as well, his downfield throws show he's got the arm but not that high speed velocity that Josh Allen or Rodgers or Newton have. That's not a deal breaker, plenty of good QBs have average arm strength. Look at the article from 20 years ago when comparing Peyton to Leaf...Peyton wasn't thought to have a "huge" arm either, but we know how that worked out. 2. As for how it worked out for Cowboys, I'd say they did all right....and yes, sometimes we're protected from our own poor decisions by extraneous factors. Russell Wilson, 3rd, Cousins, 4th, now Dak in 4th....keep in mind, everyone who thinks they KNOW what QBs will do well and which ones won't are simply over confident. Rudolph has had one of the best college careers and he's shown he can throw deep, make progressions - give Trapasso credit for pointing this out and showing you how he's doing it, and is accurate. Can he throw the ball on a frozen rope on the 20 yard out? Probably not right now....but velocity can improve just a notch...and he doesn't need it to be improved that much. The key will be will the OC scheme to fit Rudolph's strengths? But, that could be said about all the QBs, especially the Rookie type and this year seems to be even more in that direction. Rudolph is a decent late 1st to 2nd round guy. He'll be good on the right team in the right system.
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