YoloinOhio Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 (edited) https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/nfl-draft-why-josh-rosen-is-like-eli-mason-rudolph-is-like-dak-prescott-and-more-qb-comparisons/ Before the Non-Rudolph people attack this, I understand that this writer really likes Rudolph and has had him as his QB1 all year. But if you listen to him interviewed, he is measured about his approach on that, with balanced perspective on his strengths/weaknesses and I frankly applaud people with the courage to go against the grain. It means they have conviction on their work and don’t just go along with groupthink because they are afraid to be wrong. That said, the comparison to Dak is interesting and not something I’ve seen before. Usually i see Dalton or Petty. And Dak was drafted in the 3rd, so this isn’t trumpeting him as some top 10 pick. I’m still 1)Rosen 2) Mayfield but I’m keeping an open mind because no one knows who will emerge as a franchise, playoff-level QB. A LOT depends on system, coaching, and situation. Like it did with Dak. So would I be disappointed if we drafted Rudolph instead of Rosen and Mayfield? Admittedly so. But I wouldn’t be pissed. He could end up being perfect for this team. No one knows, yet. It’s a good article. I found this interview with Trapasso pretty interesting from yesterday as well - https://d3efjls8gnbg8i.cloudfront.net/1642018/122414888.mp3?rhihttphost=wgr550.hosted.cx Trapasso said he thinks he will go in the first round, outside top 10, the 5th or 6th QB taken. He indicated how good he is in the classroom and how many defenses and coverages he’s seen being a 3 year starter (similar to Mayfield). He’s able to diagnose a lot and audible at the line, understanding route concepts. As far as arm strength he indicates it is overhyped because in the last 5 years, 95% of throws in the nfl were under 30 yards in the air and 80% are from the shotgun. It’s outdated thinking that a guy needs to be under center and able to throw it 70-80 yards or he’s not going to succeed in the league. He does think velocity could be an issue (this was also a knock on Deshaun Watson), but everything else with pocket movement, pocket patience, and downfield accuracy are advanced. Edited April 8, 2018 by YoloinOhio 4 3
Chuck Wagon Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 Everything is relative. If we pick Rudolph #53, I can get on board. At 12? storm the castle. 6
Kirby Jackson Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 (edited) If we draft Rudolph over Rosen or Mayfield I’ll be pissed. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. I am not passing on the superior talent (especially in Rosen’s case). Edited April 8, 2018 by Kirby Jackson 4
billspro Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 It is definitely a breath of fresh air to have a draft analyst formulate an opinion not in line with everyone else. 1
JohnBonhamRocks Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 I buy into the line of thinking that trying to compare a prospect to a current player is an exercise in futility. That said, I think the possibility that Rudolph could go late Round 1 means he might end up in a near ideal situation. For example, I think going to the Steelers (like in the TSW mock draft) is both realistic and likely to be a benefit to his career.
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 The article might not be “trumpeting” Rudolph as a top 10 pick, but he will likely be drafted higher than Dak. Rudolph would be worth taking a chance on in the third round (where Dak was picked), but I wouldn’t take him much higher. The Cowboys were able to receive a big reward while taking a low risk. Rudolph is likely to go much higher than any GM should be willing to take him.
TigerJ Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: If we draft Rudolph over Rosen or Mayfield I’ll be pissed. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. I am not passing on the superior talent (especially in Rosen’s case). If Rosen and Mayfield are on the board, Mason Rudolph is not getting drafted. The point of the article is that Mason Rudolph has some positive traits as did Dak Prescott. Prescott was passed over early in the draft because his college offense was a spread offense where he lined up in the shotgun all the time. There is always a question about whether or not the skill set of a spread system QB will translate to the NFL. Dak Prescott had the advantage of going to a team with an outstanding offensive line, so he got better protection than your average rookie. The Dallas Cowboys also drafted Ezekiel Elliot in the first round of that draft, and Elliot's ability certainly made life easier for Prescott as he made the transition. Should Buffalo draft Rudolph, their offensive line will not be quite so established, but it may not be bad. Also, AJ McCarron would probably start while Rudolph makes the transition. There is reason to believe he could succeed long term. 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 19 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Everything is relative. If we pick Rudolph #53, I can get on board. At 12? storm the castle. ...what about 22 or with the first 2nd?..........
Chuck Wagon Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...what about 22 or with the first 2nd?.......... 53 is the first 2nd....
YoloinOhio Posted April 8, 2018 Author Posted April 8, 2018 20 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: If we draft Rudolph over Rosen or Mayfield I’ll be pissed. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. I am not passing on the superior talent (especially in Rosen’s case). I don’t think that will happen unless a team is simply unwilling to trade down regardless of what the Bills offer, which would not allow them the opportunity. I don’t see them “willingly” passing.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said: 53 is the first 2nd.... ...so 22 would be out of the mix?...........I should have excluded the "first 2nd" part with my apology............
Chuck Wagon Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...so 22 would be out of the mix?...........I should have excluded the "first 2nd" part with my apology............ Several analysts have said there's ~18-21 players with a "1st round grade". Rudolph isn't one of them. If one of those level players is on the board it would be a mistake to take Rudolph over them. I don't see all that much difference between Rudolph, Lulietta, Luke Falk, Mike White. If we get shut out of the top 4, using one of the picks betweeen 53-65 on one of those guys isn't a terrible alternative.
YoloinOhio Posted April 8, 2018 Author Posted April 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Several analysts have said there's ~18-21 players with a "1st round grade". Rudolph isn't one of them. If one of those level players is on the board it would be a mistake to take Rudolph over them. I don't see all that much difference between Rudolph, Lulietta, Luke Falk, Mike White. If we get shut out of the top 4, using one of the picks betweeen 53-65 on one of those guys isn't a terrible alternative. The one that I saw with that analysis said that with the caveat that positional value will push up the QBs (as it should). He didn’t have Darnold or Allen there either but they are both going in the 1st. If the Bills can’t trade up then they could stick to 1st rd grades only at 12 and 22, but with the QB position it will likely mean getting a 3rd rd prospect in the 2nd instead of a 2nd round prospect in the 1st. The advantage of taking a QB in the 1st, if he’s even close, is the 5th year option as it’s the most expensive position in the league. 1
HappyDays Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 The thing that worries me with Rudolph is he comes from the Air Raid offense and there are very few if any Air Raid QBs that have made the transition to the NFL. That being said he seems smart enough to figure out NFL offenses if he's given time to develop. This video made me a believer: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000919190/Combine-Whiteboard-Mason-Rudolph-with-Steve-Mariucci His arm strength doesn't worry me. It is good enough for the NFL. He'll have to get accustomed to NFL speed and learn to work through progressions faster. I'd take him in the 20s and hope his football smarts make him a good one-year project. If he picks up a pro offense quickly enough he could see starting time before his rookie season is over. 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 19 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Several analysts have said there's ~18-21 players with a "1st round grade". Rudolph isn't one of them. If one of those level players is on the board it would be a mistake to take Rudolph over them. I don't see all that much difference between Rudolph, Lulietta, Luke Falk, Mike White. If we get shut out of the top 4, using one of the picks betweeen 53-65 on one of those guys isn't a terrible alternative. ...nice assessment AND reasonable too....then again, may want to don kevlar when the top four dawgs pundits reign on your reasonableness...........
thebandit27 Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, HappyDays said: The thing that worries me with Rudolph is he comes from the Air Raid offense and there are very few if any Air Raid QBs that have made the transition to the NFL. That being said he seems smart enough to figure out NFL offenses if he's given time to develop. This video made me a believer: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000919190/Combine-Whiteboard-Mason-Rudolph-with-Steve-Mariucci His arm strength doesn't worry me. It is good enough for the NFL. He'll have to get accustomed to NFL speed and learn to work through progressions faster. I'd take him in the 20s and hope his football smarts make him a good one-year project. If he picks up a pro offense quickly enough he could see starting time before his rookie season is over. I can't see how some folks could watch Rudolph's throws to the boundary consistently hang up, fade, and miss their proper placement and think that his arm strength is sufficient to make all of the throws an NFL starter needs to make consistently. He's going to have to function in a timing offense that also features a good number of over the top downfield throws to back the coverage away. Press corners on the boundary will eat him alive if he tries to challenge them in the short passing game Edited April 8, 2018 by thebandit27 2 1
Passepartout Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 Amid Mayfield, Rosen, Allen, Darnold talks. He could sneak up on others.
Domdab99 Posted April 8, 2018 Posted April 8, 2018 This QB class is so confusing. History says at least half of these guys are going to be busts. I just have no clue about who’s going to be good and who’s not. 1
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