NewEraBills Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Rosen is a day 1 starter. Honestly, I have two guys that I'd trade up for that's it. The Bills FO probably has more but to me, if it's not for Rosen or Mayfield, I'm not moving. Darnold's turnovers, and throwing motion concern me. I'd take him around 10/12 but not before that. Allen I'd sit right at 12 and take him. Way too many concerns about him to move up and take him. Rudolph I wouldn't trade up for, but because of inflation would probably take him at 12. That's just how I see it. Outside or Rosen or Mayfield, I'm not giving up the assets for the other guys. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: At least he'd be productive. I doubt they'd start Darnold in 2018 unless it's week 10. Same for Rosen. Mayfield is the other I think would play early. And then there's Allen who shouldn't see the field in 2018. So what are we saying? Either way we won't know what he is until 2019 anyhow. Yeah, I dont know who will start where and when, but given recent history, I wouldnt be surprised with any of these guys starting from Day 1. Nor would I be against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Trubisky, Wentz, Goff, Winston, Watson, etc... If they can start right away, so can Rosen, and maybe even a couple more from this draft Those players are better then Rosen IMO. Also I don't believe all of those you mentioned started game 1. Edit: I don't think Trubisky is better than Rosen. Edited April 6, 2018 by CuddyDark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Just now, CuddyDark said: Those players are better then Rosen IMO. Also I don't believe all of those you mentioned started game 1. Trubisky, Watson and Goff didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 6, 2018 Author Share Posted April 6, 2018 1 minute ago, NewEraBills said: Honestly, I have two guys that I'd trade up for that's it. The Bills FO probably has more but to me, if it's not for Rosen or Mayfield, I'm not moving. Darnold's turnovers, and throwing motion concern me. I'd take him around 10/12 but not before that. Allen I'd sit right at 12 and take him. Way too many concerns about him to move up and take him. Rudolph I wouldn't trade up for, but because of inflation would probably take him at 12. That's just how I see it. Outside or Rosen or Mayfield, I'm not giving up the assets for the other guys. I'd love to have Darnold, but I would sit him behind AJM. I wouldn't spend a 1st round pick on Rudolph. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don't stop billievein Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Tatonka68 said: Mason Rudolph QB at #12 Leighton Vander Esch ILB at #22 James Washington WR at #53 Donte Jackson CB at #56 GET R DUN! The closer it gets to draft day, the more I’m on board with a scenario like this. If he isn’t a huge drop off from the top 4 guys then let’s keep our picks and take him at 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I'd love to have Darnold, but I would sit him behind AJM. I wouldn't spend a 1st round pick on Rudolph. Someone probably will. I can't see team allowing the "2nd level QB's" get out of the bottom of round one because they get a 5th year option on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Don't stop billievein said: The closer it gets to draft day, the more I’m on board with a scenario like this. If he isn’t a huge drop off from the top 4 guys then let’s keep our picks and take him at 12. I think he is a significant drop off and it would be a criminal overpay to take him at 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Just now, Dr. Who said: I think he is a significant drop off and it would be a criminal overpay to take him at 12. Yea I wouldn't take Rudolph at #12. At #22 I would be okay with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 6, 2018 Author Share Posted April 6, 2018 I'd rather take Mike White in a later round vs. Rudolph as a 1st round pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will-GM-for-food Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) I think he will be available at 22 unless someone like the Pats jump up and grab him. It would be ridiculous to take him at 12 and miss out on a guy like Roquan or Vea. I'm not a supporter of drafting him, but that's the way I see it. Edited April 6, 2018 by Will-GM-for-food Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Trubisky, Watson and Goff didn't. And the two who did start right away won college championships, are big time leaders and love football more than anything. Rosen is a pretty boy, everything must be right kind of QB. He's gonna be Matt Ryan or a Ryan Tannehill type. Injured. Pouty. Follower. You have to build an outstanding team for a player like Rosen. And he never wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Just now, GunnerBill said: Yea I wouldn't take Rudolph at #12. At #22 I would be okay with it. You are considerably higher on Rudolph than I am. I admit you have a more professional eye, but I'm still going with my own assessment. At 22, I can barely tolerate Rudolph. I would hope a lb would be available at 12 (UGA fan, so I love Roquan Smith.) All that said, I am not a hater who wants to be proved right at any cost. Rudolph is a likeable fella and I will root for him to be great if we take him. I just want more than the next Andy Dalton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea I wouldn't take Rudolph at #12. At #22 I would be okay with it. Only problem is because of inflation and because QB is a problem area that needs to be fixed for the Bills you'd probably have to take him at 12. I definitely don't think he should go there, but hey, if you say I'll take him at 22 then you better get ready to trade up for Falk or White later. What can you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Just now, Dr. Who said: You are considerably higher on Rudolph than I am. I admit you have a more professional eye, but I'm still going with my own assessment. At 22, I can barely tolerate Rudolph. I would hope a lb would be available at 12 (UGA fan, so I love Roquan Smith.) All that said, I am not a hater who wants to be proved right at any cost. Rudolph is a likeable fella and I will root for him to be great if we take him. I just want more than the next Andy Dalton. My preference is to trade up as you know. But if the choice is the next Andy Dalton or AJ McCarron I'll take the next Dalton. There is a reason McCarron never beat him out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Just now, CuddyDark said: And the two who did start right away won college championships, are big time leaders and love football more than anything. Rosen is a pretty boy, everything must be right kind of QB. He's gonna be Matt Ryan or a Ryan Tannehill type. Injured. Pouty. Follower. You have to build an outstanding team for a player like Rosen. And he never wins. Disagree on Rosen, but we're all just guessing. I do have to take umbrage with your assessment of Matt Ryan. The Bills would be LUCKY to end up with a Matt Ryan at QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Just now, NewEraBills said: Only problem is because of inflation and because QB is a problem area that needs to be fixed for the Bills you'd probably have to take him at 12. I definitely don't think he should go there, but hey, if you say I'll take him at 22 then you better get ready to trade up for Falk or White later. What can you do? I personally think the Bills at #22 is Rudolph's draft ceiling. I very much doubt he goes before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 6, 2018 Author Share Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: And the two who did start right away won college championships, are big time leaders and love football more than anything. Rosen is a pretty boy, everything must be right kind of QB. He's gonna be Matt Ryan or a Ryan Tannehill type. Injured. Pouty. Follower. You have to build an outstanding team for a player like Rosen. And he never wins. What the heck did Mason Rudolph win? With better talent I might add. Edited April 6, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: Disagree on Rosen, but we're all just guessing. I do have to take umbrage with your assessment of Matt Ryan. The Bills would be LUCKY to end up with a Matt Ryan at QB. Not a guess at all. That is who he's been. He gets injured. No one describes Rosen as the leader at UCLA. And I don't think Matt Ryan is bad I think that's Rosen ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) Most if not all of this quarterback draft class will need some developing. Does anybody on this board feel that there is a member of the Bills coaching staff is good at developing a raw qb? This has me more concerned than who we draft. To me, Daboll is unproven in this area. Edited April 6, 2018 by longtimebillsfan Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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