Alphadawg7 Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 18 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I sit firmly in the camp of “the Bills receivers are bad.” Would you deal a late round pick to the Bears for Kevin White? He is seemingly healthy (finally) and they have added Robinson and Gabriel. It’s probably not likely that White regains his form but was an elite talent just a few years ago. He's never been an Elite talent, at least not in the NFL. He's the most recent version of Carlos Rogers. If he was cut, sure...but wouldn't trade for the most frail person in the NFL whose struggled in the very rare instances he was healthy.
3rdand12 Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I agree with this theory. If you can buy talent cheap, do it. If it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work. i do agree with this point. But i am very nearly depressed about Bills approach to garner WRs. Again. this year feels worse than last season abysmal line up. I am very wtf is the thinking up there? waiting on Beckham lol Seriously , Bills better have some FA Wrs on their list that are worth a darned. ugghh. edit and by FA i mean ones that might need to be traded for to acquire post draft. Meredith got picked up today, i do believe Edited April 6, 2018 by 3rdand12
jr1 Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 he seems too brittle now to recapture the magic of his final season at West Virginia
HOUSE Posted April 7, 2018 Posted April 7, 2018 (edited) His father Barry was a great singer Edited April 7, 2018 by HOUSE
NoSaint Posted April 7, 2018 Posted April 7, 2018 5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Watch him put up crazy numbers. Not the answer but as a depth guy would you like to see the bills offer Willie Snead if his tender is pulled? Go to camp with something like: Benjamin zay rookie with speed (day 2) snead reilly holmes streeter i still want one reliable guy for depth and one speedy wild card added in the group.
Kirby Jackson Posted April 7, 2018 Author Posted April 7, 2018 8 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Not the answer but as a depth guy would you like to see the bills offer Willie Snead if his tender is pulled? Go to camp with something like: Benjamin zay rookie with speed (day 2) snead reilly holmes streeter i still want one reliable guy for depth and one speedy wild card added in the group. I’m all for bringing in Snead. They still need the speed guy but that would give them a boost. They could still look for a trade or some more dumpster diving like Thompson last year. Honestly, outside of Benjamin I wouldn’t say that there is another lock to make the team. Zay likely does but if he slips up again this offseason I could see them cutting ties (I wouldn’t personally). That group doesn’t scare ANYBODY though. There will be 11 defenders at the LOS!
NoSaint Posted April 7, 2018 Posted April 7, 2018 17 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’m all for bringing in Snead. They still need the speed guy but that would give them a boost. They could still look for a trade or some more dumpster diving like Thompson last year. Honestly, outside of Benjamin I wouldn’t say that there is another lock to make the team. Zay likely does but if he slips up again this offseason I could see them cutting ties (I wouldn’t personally). That group doesn’t scare ANYBODY though. There will be 11 defenders at the LOS! It really is remarkable how bad the current group is in such a pass centric league, and expecting a young qb. it feels like we have a borderline 1 and borderline 3 and a few 5-7. We need to add a starter and a guy that can play heavy snaps off the bench (and one of those to have speed) to even be a functional unit... 1
Rocky Landing Posted April 7, 2018 Posted April 7, 2018 Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this draft class also seems pretty slim at quality WR.
Kirby Jackson Posted April 7, 2018 Author Posted April 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, NoSaint said: It really is remarkable how bad the current group is in such a pass centric league, and expecting a young qb. it feels like we have a borderline 1 and borderline 3 and a few 5-7. We need to add a starter and a guy that can play heavy snaps off the bench (and one of those to have speed) to even be a functional unit... Without being overly negative, how is this team going to score? Where are the plays going to be made? Shady is still elite but teams can commit to stopping him and only him at the moment. I don’t see them sustaining drives and I don’t see them making big plays. Where will the points come from?? 1 minute ago, Rocky Landing said: Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this draft class also seems pretty slim at quality WR. It isn’t a great group by any stretch. Like every draft though some guys will emerge. The Bills have to get AT LEAST 1 of them.
NoSaint Posted April 7, 2018 Posted April 7, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Without being overly negative, how is this team going to score? Where are the plays going to be made? Shady is still elite but teams can commit to stopping him and only him at the moment. I don’t see them sustaining drives and I don’t see them making big plays. Where will the points come from?? It isn’t a great group by any stretch. Like every draft though some guys will emerge. The Bills have to get AT LEAST 1 of them. Lots of pressure on the defense to create turnovers and short fields huge need to stay 100% healthy (which is tough with wr1 and te1 having bad knees and a high miles back that’ll be the focus) And do really well with calculated risks (3rd and 7? Throw it downfield and see what happens) and exploiting every blown play (and creating those with creative play calls) I could see us semi productive in September when healthy and nothing on film but as defenses start tightening for playoff races and we get nicked up it could get ugly unless we add some solid pieces Edited April 7, 2018 by NoSaint
RocCityRoller Posted April 7, 2018 Posted April 7, 2018 no, he sucks. why would we want another team's garbage?
NewEra Posted April 7, 2018 Posted April 7, 2018 On 4/5/2018 at 8:59 PM, NoSaint said: Thats like the 70th highest paid wr. Could you get a safer guy? Yea. But with the risk comes potential reward. The 70th highest paid is very little when you have lots of cap room. In this instance, it’s ALL of our cap room and we still have some big holes and very little depth. Trading a draft pick for a combine freak that will use all of our remaining cap room and only has 21 catches form 193 yards and 0 TDs in 3 seasons is just ridiculous to me. We can sign 2 WRs for 2.7 mill and they won’t cost us a draft pick. If we trade for Kevin White, I’ll be shocked. He doesn’t make sense for this team. We need WRs that can suit up on sundays, 10 hours ago, NoSaint said: Lots of pressure on the defense to create turnovers and short fields huge need to stay 100% healthy (which is tough with wr1 and te1 having bad knees and a high miles back that’ll be the focus) And do really well with calculated risks (3rd and 7? Throw it downfield and see what happens) and exploiting every blown play (and creating those with creative play calls) I could see us semi productive in September when healthy and nothing on film but as defenses start tightening for playoff races and we get nicked up it could get ugly unless we add some solid pieces You said it yourself, just in different words. Kevin White makes zero sense for this team.
NoSaint Posted April 7, 2018 Posted April 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, NewEra said: The 70th highest paid is very little when you have lots of cap room. In this instance, it’s ALL of our cap room and we still have some big holes and very little depth. Trading a draft pick for a combine freak that will use all of our remaining cap room and only has 21 catches form 193 yards and 0 TDs in 3 seasons is just ridiculous to me. We can sign 2 WRs for 2.7 mill and they won’t cost us a draft pick. If we trade for Kevin White, I’ll be shocked. He doesn’t make sense for this team. We need WRs that can suit up on sundays, Ill say I’m not advocating here but I wouldn’t be upset A month ago he would’ve been VERY low on my radar. But when you say sign two guys with that money— who are your two that are left out there? the day 3 draft pick is of no real consequence. But the market is super thin at this point unless you want to go sign a guy like Brandon Tate to come back. I’d be super down for the Bryant idea once we make our qb trade- though I’m guessing many here don’t have the stomach to risk a pick on him. We need talent though and it’s not on the free agent market, and we don’t have huge resources - so there’s a good argument to be made for a big chance on an injury or character risk.
NewEra Posted April 7, 2018 Posted April 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Ill say I’m not advocating here but I wouldn’t be upset A month ago he would’ve been VERY low on my radar. But when you say sign two guys with that money— who are your two that are left out there? the day 3 draft pick is of no real consequence. But the market is super thin at this point unless you want to go sign a guy like Brandon Tate to come back. I’d be super down for the Bryant idea once we make our qb trade- though I’m guessing many here don’t have the stomach to risk a pick on him. We need talent though and it’s not on the free agent market, and we don’t have huge resources - so there’s a good argument to be made for a big chance on an injury or character risk. I hear ya, I wouldn’t be upset, so to speak. The upside is there. I just don’t think, considering our current WRs, that he makes much sense due to his inability to suit up year after year. If he was a free agent and we could pay him minimum, sure, but to trade a draft pick and pay the guy 2.7......it just doesn’t make sense to me http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/wide-receiver/
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted April 7, 2018 Posted April 7, 2018 I know WR seems bleak, but I got a feeling that Brandon Reilly is going to step up and become a Hogan/Edelman type of receiver with the right QB. With KB as the #1 and Clay/O'Leary/Thomas at TE and Ivory/Shady out of the backfield, I don't think it is as bad as people think. If Zay becomes a true #2 we get lucky, but if we can land a Kamara/Hunt type back in the 3rd (Penny) and another outside receiver (Kirk/Sutton/Moore/Clark) suddenly this group looks good with AJ and has room to grow. If we trade up and draft an LB early then it might be good to bring in Maclin/Decker/Aiken or kick the tires on Alfred Morris and take a look at Gragg if he is healthy. Greg Robinson, Alex Boone and Luke Joekal are still out there for O-line. Minter/Hodges still there at LB. Even with the cap and draft, I think we can put together another playoff run regardless if we trade up.
BringBackOrton Posted April 7, 2018 Posted April 7, 2018 (edited) On 4/6/2018 at 6:40 AM, Kirby Jackson said: I agree with this theory. If you can buy talent cheap, do it. If it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work. Pats do it every year. I think a former top 10 pick bust has a better chance than a late 6th or 7th. Shoot for the ceiling. Physically, White is fast and has quite a bit of height on him. I liked him a lot. Edited April 7, 2018 by jmc12290
baskingridgebillsfan Posted April 7, 2018 Posted April 7, 2018 I know the Bills don't have a lot of money to spend on free agents this year so the top guys were out but they must have very low grades on the rest of the lost to think they will be able to bring in a 2nd or 3rd round pick and get the same results.
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