Dkollidas Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 22 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: Lawson has zero value as hes not been healthy or productive when on the field. I mean adding him really wouldn't push the needle to or for a deal IMO. Could be. But then again, a few weeks ago no one thought we’d get anything for Tyrod. No one thought we’d get anything for Cordy either. Regardless, we have the capital, change Shaq to a 2nd Round Pick if need be. This team wont be afraid to add for a guy they want in my opinion.
Lothar Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 13 minutes ago, Dkollidas said: Could be. But then again, a few weeks ago no one thought we’d get anything for Tyrod. No one thought we’d get anything for Cordy either. Regardless, we have the capital, change Shaq to a 2nd Round Pick if need be. This team wont be afraid to add for a guy they want in my opinion. But the difference in including him in a trade versus just keeping him is we lose 6-7 million of the cap. It's not happening. These players are not tinker toys.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) Can we just get this deal done already for crying out loud, everyday there is some report of us moving up. What is the hold up, get it done. On 4/5/2018 at 5:12 PM, Captain Murica said: Draft Fatigue is real at this point.. Preach brother, I'm done with this crap, just do it already. Edited April 7, 2018 by Buffalo Barbarian 1
Dkollidas Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Lothar said: But the difference in including him in a trade versus just keeping him is we lose 6-7 million of the cap. It's not happening. These players are not tinker toys. According to what I saw on Spotrac, if they traded Lawson before June 1st this year, it would be $2.8M in dead cap. But the team does seem to be loading up on d-linemen, it just makes me think that if another player moves, it could be him. He does have pedigree, and while he’s been hurt, and hasn’t put up huge numbers, he’s been a decent edge setter when he’s played and done solid against the run. Again, this is a hypothetical deal. It’d be a negotiation. Don’t want Shaq, fine, want a pick instead, ok. What kind of Pick are you looking for, this year or next year, etc. etc. My basic point is that I think the Bills have the ability, and are determined to make the move to #2. And to do that I think they will need to make two more moves. One with Denver/Indy/Tampa. My money is on Tampa Bay. It’ll be the cheapest deal that still allows the Giants a good chance at one of Barkley, Nelson or Chubb. And from that point, I think Buffalo will add whatever picks necessary to get up to #2. 11 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Can we just get this deal done already for crying out loud, everyday there is some report of us moving up. What is the hood up, get it done. Preach brother, I'm done with this crap, just do it already. I think a big part of it is the Giants waiting to see what Cleveland does. The word is if Cleveland takes Allen, the Giants will stay at #2 and take Darnold. If Darnold goes first, then the Giants will move out, and that’s when the Gettleman/Beane relationship will come into play and I would believe Beane has been talking to teams like Denver, Indianapolis and Tampa Bay about a small jump before the big jump to #2. McDermott before he got here, and especially Beane since he arrived, have been meticulous in their dismantling of the old roster, in order to collect as much capital as possible in order to go ahead and make the move up for a franchise quarterback. Edited April 6, 2018 by Dkollidas
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 6 minutes ago, Dkollidas said: According to what I saw on Spotrac, if they traded Lawson before June 1st this year, it would be $2.8M in dead cap. But the team does seem to be loading up on d-linemen, it just makes me think that if another player moves, it could be him. He does have pedigree, and while he’s been hurt, and hasn’t put up huge numbers, he’s been a decent edge setter when he’s played and done solid against the run. Again, this is a hypothetical deal. It’d be a negotiation. Don’t want Shaq, fine, want a pick instead, ok. What kind of Pick are you looking for, this year or next year, etc. etc. My basic point is that I think the Bills have the ability, and are determined to make the move to #2. And to do that I think they will need to make two more moves. One with Denver/Indy/Tampa. My money is on Tampa Bay. It’ll be the cheapest deal that still allows the Giants a good chance at one of Barkley, Nelson or Chubb. And from that point, I think Buffalo will add whatever picks necessary to get up to #2. I think a big part of it is the Giants waiting to see what Cleveland does. The word is if Cleveland takes Allen, the Giants will stay at #2 and take Darnold. If Darnold goes first, then the Giants will move out, and that’s when the Gettleman/Beane relationship will come into play and I would believe Beane has been talking to teams like Denver, Indianapolis and Tampa Bay about a small jump before the big jump to #2. McDermott before he got here, and especially Beane since he arrived, have been meticulous in their dismantling of the old roster, in order to collect as much capital as possible in order to go ahead and make the move up for a franchise quarterback. what happened to when teams signed the first overall pick weeks in advance? Cleveland needs to do this so we can make our deal. 1
GunnerBill Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Can we just get this deal done already for crying out loud, everyday there is some report of us moving up. What is the hood up, get it done. Preach brother, I'm done with this crap, just do it already. They are not going to do it until they know the Browns have not taken their guy. If it happens it will be on the clock not before. 1
Dkollidas Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: what happened to when teams signed the first overall pick weeks in advance? Cleveland needs to do this so we can make our deal. I think that’s especially different because Cleveland owns #4. They want to keep everyone on their toes just as much as possible.
bills522 Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 The longer this drags on, the value of any top 5 pick is going to increase, and increase, and increase summore.... I gotta think once Beane gets most of the QB in-house visits outta the way...and locks in his top 2-3 QBs, he'll want to make a move by...let's say the 15th. I feel like if he waits til draft night we're gonna have to enter a pretty savage bidding war for any high spot. That said...I'm of the mind that I don't care what it costs, go get your QB and start from there
3rdand12 Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 8 hours ago, gobills1212 said: Seriously? This is some serious Roswell conspiracy stuff : )
2003Contenders Posted April 7, 2018 Posted April 7, 2018 Mayock, who has ties to the Giants, made this rather measured analysis the other day: The Giants believe that they are in a unique position this season to be drafting as high as 2. They (like many teams) also believe that there are 3-non QB top notch players in this draft: Barkley, Nelson and Chubb. All three would fill needs for the Giants. However, if there is one particular QB that the Giants are in love with, that trumps everything. So, first the Giants will have to wait and see what the Browns do. If the Browns take the QB that the Giants would be interested in, then the pick could be up for sale. That is because the Giants know that the #1 pick is a QB, the #2 pick (presumably traded to Buffalo) would be a QB and the Jets are almost certainly taking a QB at 3. Hence, all 3 of those non-QB studs would still be available at 4 and at least one would still be available at 6. That is why Mayock believes that the Giants would be interested in trading down if the QB they covet is gone before 2 -- but not interested in trading later than 6. Obviously, the Bills would have to work a deal to move up to 6 (or possibly 4 or 5) prior to the draft for any shot at getting to 2. Then on draft day they would have to work a deal with the Giants to move to 2. However, this presents a huge risk, as the Giants' decision to trade up or down will be dependent upon what the Browns do at 1. Maybe we will get lucky and the Browns will make their intentions regarding the #1 overall pick known ahead of time, and the Bills, Giants and another team (Colts, Broncos or Browns themselves) can work a three-way deal just before the draft.
FappyTheClown Posted April 7, 2018 Posted April 7, 2018 I really need to stay away from here until the draft is over.
Alphadawg7 Posted April 7, 2018 Posted April 7, 2018 On 4/6/2018 at 12:01 AM, Buffalo Barbarian said: what happened to when teams signed the first overall pick weeks in advance? Cleveland needs to do this so we can make our deal. Cleveland isnt going to likely commit to anyone publicly considering they pick twice in the top 5 and there are a lot of trade possibilities
26TrapDraw Posted April 7, 2018 Posted April 7, 2018 Not real sure what the hold up at the #1overall QB pick for Cleveland would be. Do they not have the guy they want on their draft board yet? I'm sure the Bills are in a wait and see. Wish the Browns would just sign their guy and put the Giants on the clock so we can figure out the #2 spot.
BillsFan4 Posted April 7, 2018 Posted April 7, 2018 On 4/5/2018 at 10:44 PM, BigDingus said: If I were the Bills, I'd hope Allen goes #1, then go from there. If he does, that leaves Mayfield, Rosen & Darnold, to which you then try to trade the Browns to move up to #4. If you are confident in all of them, you will have 1 for your choice no matter what. If the Giants don't go QB, you have your pick of 2, with 1 likely being Mayfield who they clearly are interested in (having met with him 4 or 5 times already). However, if the Browns take Darnold #1 overall (it seems 50/50 between him & Allen according to the "experts"), the pool is a little more murky (IMO). At that point, I'd just hope the Jets are the one to pull the trigger on him, and be happy with avoiding that risk. I'd only consider moving up to #2 if there's one guy I like that much more, head & shoulders above all else. I don't know. I think that could be the nightmare scenario for the Bills if the rumors are true about the only QB the Giants want is Darnold. If true, and the Browns pick Allen, the Giants wouldn't trade that pick and we'd see QBs go off the board 1, 2, 3 and possibly 5 which would leave the Bills shut out of any of the top 4 QBs (unless the Browns are willing to trade #4 which seems unlikely at this point).
YoloinOhio Posted April 7, 2018 Posted April 7, 2018 On 4/6/2018 at 2:06 AM, BillsFan17 said: Lawson has zero value as hes not been healthy or productive when on the field. I mean adding him really wouldn't push the needle to or for a deal IMO. A pass rusher ✅ drafted in the 1st round ✅ on a rookie deal ✅ never been in trouble ✅ played in two different schemes in 2 years ✅ going to disagree with you
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 7, 2018 Posted April 7, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Cleveland isnt going to likely commit to anyone publicly considering they pick twice in the top 5 and there are a lot of trade possibilities Sure, ruin it for everyone. Edited April 7, 2018 by Buffalo Barbarian 1
Chuck Wagon Posted April 7, 2018 Posted April 7, 2018 25 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said: Mayock, who has ties to the Giants, made this rather measured analysis the other day: The Giants believe that they are in a unique position this season to be drafting as high as 2. They (like many teams) also believe that there are 3-non QB top notch players in this draft: Barkley, Nelson and Chubb. All three would fill needs for the Giants. However, if there is one particular QB that the Giants are in love with, that trumps everything. So, first the Giants will have to wait and see what the Browns do. If the Browns take the QB that the Giants would be interested in, then the pick could be up for sale. That is because the Giants know that the #1 pick is a QB, the #2 pick (presumably traded to Buffalo) would be a QB and the Jets are almost certainly taking a QB at 3. Hence, all 3 of those non-QB studs would still be available at 4 and at least one would still be available at 6. That is why Mayock believes that the Giants would be interested in trading down if the QB they covet is gone before 2 -- but not interested in trading later than 6. Obviously, the Bills would have to work a deal to move up to 6 (or possibly 4 or 5) prior to the draft for any shot at getting to 2. Then on draft day they would have to work a deal with the Giants to move to 2. However, this presents a huge risk, as the Giants' decision to trade up or down will be dependent upon what the Browns do at 1. Maybe we will get lucky and the Browns will make their intentions regarding the #1 overall pick known ahead of time, and the Bills, Giants and another team (Colts, Broncos or Browns themselves) can work a three-way deal just before the draft. For that reason, I think Beane should have pulled the trigger on a deal up to 7 if it was a reasonable ask. From 7, you know either one of the "non-QB" 3 would be there or the 4th QB. It's a unique pick, likely one that's not lost on Licht and the Bucs FO. What's our worst case at 7, all the QBs go top 5 and we are left picking a premier pass rusher, badly needed OG or a stud RB to potentially help extend Shady's career. But what do we know. There could already be contingent deals agreed to with any one or multiple of NYG / Cleveland / Denver / Indy or Tampa.
mannc Posted April 7, 2018 Posted April 7, 2018 On 4/5/2018 at 8:19 PM, Lfod said: #1 and #2 spots you pick a QB or you trade down. You don't sit on that sweet QB spot to not go QB. Those are the money picks and if you can't get one of them you already lost a lot of ground. Jets going QB at #3. So that leaves you with a possible #4 trade with the Browns with 3 QBs off the board. I wouldn't be very excited about taking the fourth QB off the board. Unless that QB that was left was one you had a target on. People say it's a QB heavy draft. If he can't get to #1 or #2 then I'd rather him let the draft fall. A QB might drop in to a range it makes sense to move up a few spots. People say it's a QB heavy draft. The mention of trading for pick #4 just smells of desperation if 3 QBs have already been stolen. The last choice on the top 4 QBs. Yuck. Imagine the Jets lighting us up with the guy they picked at #3 and we traded to #4 and busted. If the Bills trade up in a place behind the Jets for QB you might find me being critical until it pays off. Yuck. I like the #1 pick or #2 pick or just pick at #12. The Browns aren’t trading out of the 4 spot. They don’t want or need more picks.
billsfan89 Posted April 7, 2018 Posted April 7, 2018 If the Browns pass on Darnold for Allen they are !@#$ing up on a grand scale. If the Bills trade up to 2 and Darnold is there then they should take him in 10 seconds.
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