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Pretty interesting tweet, and one that I felt the need to look back on past draft classes for.

 

ESPN archives all of the Scouts Inc. grades dating back to the 2004 draft (Eli, Rivers, Big Ben, Losman). It appears that either in 2014 or 2015, they tweaked their grading formula and became much harsher. For example, 2008 had 13 players rated 95+. 2013 had 9. 2014 had 5, and 2015-2018 has had 5 combined. So in that context, the tweet above is even more impressive.

 

Unfortunately, there's no way to adjust the ratings from past years to match whatever this new rating system is, so I made no attempt to. I did, however, gather up all of the QBs from 2004-2018 that had a grade of 90+ and came up with the following, in order:

 

T1        Ben Roethlisberger

 

T1        Aaron Rodgers

 

T1        Andrew Luck

 

T4        Eli Manning

 

T4        Alex Smith

 

T4        Matt Leinart

 

T4        JaMarcus Russell

 

T4        Matt Ryan

 

T9        Vince Young

 

T9        Brady Quinn

 

T9        Sam Bradford

 

T9        Robert Griffin III

 

T9        Jameis Winston

 

T14      Jay Cutler

 

T14      Matt Stafford

 

T14      Blaine Gabbert

 

T17      Philip Rivers

 

T17      Mark Sanchez

 

T19      Ryan Tannehill

 

T19      Sam Darnold

 

T21      Brian Brohm

 

T21      Cam Newton

 

T21      Marcus Mariota

 

T24      Josh Allen

 

T24      Josh Rosen

 

T26      Blake Bortles

 

T26      Carson Wentz

 

T26      Jared Goff

 

T26      Baker Mayfield

 

T30      Chad Henne

 

T30      Jake Locker

 

T30      Johnny Manziel

 

 

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So based off of this, you could expect 2 out of the 4 QB's to either be decent to really good and the other 2 to be mediocre to bad.

 

50% odds

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That’s why it’s imperative we draft one of these guys.

We will forever be stuck in mediocrity until lightning strikes.

 

Get it done Beanie.

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9 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

 

Pretty interesting tweet, and one that I felt the need to look back on past draft classes for.

 

ESPN archives all of the Scouts Inc. grades dating back to the 2004 draft (Eli, Rivers, Big Ben, Losman). It appears that either in 2014 or 2015, they tweaked their grading formula and became much harsher. For example, 2008 had 13 players rated 95+. 2013 had 9. 2014 had 5, and 2015-2018 has had 5 combined. So in that context, the tweet above is even more impressive.

 

Unfortunately, there's no way to adjust the ratings from past years to match whatever this new rating system is, so I made no attempt to. I did, however, gather up all of the QBs from 2004-2018 that had a grade of 90+ and came up with the following, in order:

 

T1        Ben Roethlisberger

 

T1        Aaron Rodgers

 

T1        Andrew Luck

 

T4        Eli Manning

 

T4        Alex Smith

 

T4        Matt Leinart

 

T4        JaMarcus Russell

 

T4        Matt Ryan

 

T9        Vince Young

 

T9        Brady Quinn

 

T9        Sam Bradford

 

T9        Robert Griffin III

 

T9        Jameis Winston

 

T14      Jay Cutler

 

T14      Matt Stafford

 

T14      Blaine Gabbert

 

T17      Philip Rivers

 

T17      Mark Sanchez

 

T19      Ryan Tannehill

 

T19      Sam Darnold

 

T21      Brian Brohm

 

T21      Cam Newton

 

T21      Marcus Mariota

 

T24      Josh Allen

 

T24      Josh Rosen

 

T26      Blake Bortles

 

T26      Carson Wentz

 

T26      Jared Goff

 

T26      Baker Mayfield

 

T30      Chad Henne

 

T30      Jake Locker

 

T30      Johnny Manziel

 

 

 

Where's Jevan Snead?

 

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Todd McShay—of Scouts, Inc. and ESPN fame—graded Snead in the 90s and pegged him as a first rounder.

 

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 In that case, the bills should draft two of them to play it safe. In that way the odds are significantly increased that at least one of them will be a hit.

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10 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

Everyone knows that Mason Rudolph is the best QB in the draft...

Not that I personally think so, but in the end he very well have the best career of the bunch.  People get too caught up in pre-draft rankings to consider that the best careers aren't always the ones who go first.

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I see 10 or 11 out of 33 that are flat our suckfest/ busts.

Leinart

Russell

Young

Quinn

RG3

Sanchize

Brohm

Henne

Locker

Manziel

(Cutler, Tannehill)???

 

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Just now, Buffalo Boy said:

I see 10 or 11 out of 33 that are flat our suckfest/ busts.

Leinart

Russell

Young

Quinn

RG3

Sanchize

Brohm

Henne

Locker

Manziel

(Cutler, Tannehill)???

 

And we cried when the Bills didn't draft them. Same will happen this year. 

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2 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said:

And we cried when the Bills didn't draft them. Same will happen this year. 

Brian Brohm lol. 

Kinda funny 3 are former Bill's now

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The different assessments on Allen is baffling. There is a camp that believes he is the next Roethlisberger and there is a camp that believes he is going to be a Kyle Boller type bust. I have seen projections where he could be the first qb off the board or a qb that teams are vying to get him. 

 

Can't Gunner, Bandit and Bloke get together and come up with a consensus? Just hash it out and come to an agreement. I need to warn Gunner and Bloke that Bandito is pugnacious and that he will forcefully hold to his position that Allen is worth being the apple of one's eye. If you continue to disagree you will be in a bloody battle until you relent. 

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Yeah I don’t know- Biff from Tonawanda insists that Josh Allen is definitely gonna suck.  Surely he knows more than Scouts Inc. (Biff being a metaphor for half the people on this website).

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13 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Based on that article, it sounds like he had Snead as a 90 going in the preseason but by the time he actually declared for the draft, he was no longer in the top 100 of his draft class.

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4 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said:

And we cried when the Bills didn't draft them. Same will happen this year. 

Some yes, some no, point taken.

We could have had Watson or Maholmes last year with no trade.

Kinda feeling like we screwed the pooch on those non picks.

 

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16 minutes ago, Woodman19 said:

Not that I personally think so, but in the end he very well have the best career of the bunch.  People get too caught up in pre-draft rankings to consider that the best careers aren't always the ones who go first.

It’s possible, just not likely..

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2 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

It’s possible, just not likely..

Not too unlikely, anyone who is going to get taken in the first couple rounds obviously has skill and say he ends up getting taken by the Patriots or Steelers and has a chance to learn for a year or two while the Darnolds, Rosens etc get drafted by teams like the Browns and Jets then anything can happen.  Just look at any draft and see how the best players from them aren't always taken in the top 5.  Talent is littered throughout because players develop differently in different environments. 

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11 minutes ago, JohnC said:

The different assessments on Allen is baffling. There is a camp that believes he is the next Roethlisberger and there is a camp that believes he is going to be a Kyle Boller type bust. I have seen projections where he could be the first qb off the board or a qb that teams are vying to get him. 

 

Can't Gunner, Bandit and Bloke get together and come up with a consensus? Just hash it out and come to an agreement. I need to warn Gunner and Bloke that Bandito is pugnacious and that he will forcefully hold to his position that Allen is worth being the apple of one's eye. If you continue to disagree you will be in a bloody battle until you relent. 

 

Kyle Boller isn't nearly the bust people make him out to be, especially as the 19th pick...JaMarcuss Russell or Ryan Leaf are more synonymous with bust

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3 minutes ago, Mikey152 said:

 

Kyle Boller isn't nearly the bust people make him out to be, especially as the 19th pick...JaMarcuss Russell or Ryan Leaf are more synonymous with bust

Its kinda true that almost every QB taken in the first couple of rounds who isnt a Hall of Fame QB is always a "bust" in peoples mind.

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