SoFFacet Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, thebandit27 said: Very, very few people think Allen sucks. There is a faction of folks that don't think he's got the skill set to be an NFL QB. Most folks see the raw ability, but vary in opinion regarding how much honing of his skill set it'll take to make him successful, and what type of offense he can operate efficiently. Very few people think he'll be any good. He's inaccurate and slow. Almost nobody with his stats & pedigree has ever been successful in the NFL.
YoloinOhio Posted April 5, 2018 Author Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, SoFFacet said: Very few people think he'll be any good. He's inaccurate and slow. Almost nobody with his stats & pedigree has ever been successful in the NFL. Really? I’ve seen the exact opposite.
SoFFacet Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: 13 isn’t low for Mayfield, that’s pretty high. This isn’t a mock draft. 13 is low for QB1.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Compared to some other big boards, He’s high on Rosen and Mayfield, low on Darnold and Allen. Also high on Hurst and Sony Michel and low on Vita Vea and Tremaine Edmonds. Four RBs with 1st rd grades, plus he said nick Chubb wasn’t far off ... makes the Browns it Giants giving up a haul of high picks from the Bills vs drafting Barkley at 2 or 4 a joke. Any idea what happened to Barkley in his draft? He’s def. not herd-mind influenced.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 This is such a fascinating QB class. So many different opinions.
NewEraBills Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 13 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: This seems so weird to me. What’s the point in grading draft picks without positional value? Seems like a totally academic exercise. Because QB is really the only position where it matters for some people and that's primarily due to the inflation of the position. So when it comes to QBs they look at positional value. I tend to agree with that approach.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, SoFFacet said: 13 is low for QB1. ? QB#1 in Ledyard’s Board is Rosen at #4
SoFFacet Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Really? I’ve seen the exact opposite. Allen is the laughingstock of the Draft Analyst community. Sorry if that hasn't permeated this forum as much as the know-nothing ESPN pundits etc.
thebandit27 Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, SoFFacet said: Very few people think he'll be any good. He's inaccurate and slow. Almost nobody with his stats & pedigree has ever been successful in the NFL. No offense, but everything you've said here is flat-out incorrect. He's extremely likely to be a top-10 pick. He's at or near the top of most analysts' draft boards, and that includes guys that have actually worked in NFL front offices (and been offered GM jobs) like Daniel Jeremiah. He's not slow in any respect whatsoever. He makes better tight-window throws than anyone else in the class; "inaccurate" has always been a mischaracterization. He needs to learn to adjust is touch on short boundary throws and to further refine his footwork. As for the "nobody with his stats" stuff, that's been debunked on this board many, many times. 1
SoFFacet Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: ? QB#1 in Ledyard’s Board is Rosen at #4 As I said, Ledyard is low on Mayfield, who is the QB1 according to most informed analysts.
thebandit27 Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, SoFFacet said: Allen is the laughingstock of the Draft Analyst community. Sorry if that hasn't permeated this forum as much as the know-nothing ESPN pundits etc. Again, you're wrong. Just now, SoFFacet said: As I said, Ledyard is low on Mayfield, who is the QB1 according to most informed analysts. This is also wrong.
YoloinOhio Posted April 5, 2018 Author Posted April 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, SoFFacet said: Allen is the laughingstock of the Draft Analyst community. Sorry if that hasn't permeated this forum as much as the know-nothing ESPN pundits etc. Link?
SoFFacet Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, thebandit27 said: No offense, but everything you've said here is flat-out incorrect. He's extremely likely to be a top-10 pick. He's at or near the top of most analysts' draft boards, and that includes guys that have actually worked in NFL front offices (and been offered GM jobs) like Daniel Jeremiah. He's not slow in any respect whatsoever. He makes better tight-window throws than anyone else in the class; "inaccurate" has always been a mischaracterization. He needs to learn to adjust is touch on short boundary throws and to further refine his footwork. As for the "nobody with his stats" stuff, that's been debunked on this board many, many times. Of course he will probably be a top-10 pick. He doesn't deserve that but some idiot team will pick him there. Inaccurate is not a mischaracterization at all. He is inaccurate, period. He is also mentally slow. This is a documented fact. I seriously doubt that anyone on this board could debunk anything. Everything you've said is laughably wrong. 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: Again, you're wrong. This is also wrong. Dunning Kruger.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: No offense, but everything you've said here is flat-out incorrect. He's extremely likely to be a top-10 pick. He's at or near the top of most analysts' draft boards, and that includes guys that have actually worked in NFL front offices (and been offered GM jobs) like Daniel Jeremiah. He's not slow in any respect whatsoever. He makes better tight-window throws than anyone else in the class; "inaccurate" has always been a mischaracterization. He needs to learn to adjust is touch on short boundary throws and to further refine his footwork. As for the "nobody with his stats" stuff, that's been debunked on this board many, many times. I highly doubt he lasts beyond pick #3.
thebandit27 Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, SoFFacet said: Of course he will probably be a top-10 pick. He doesn't deserve that but some idiot team will pick him there. Inaccurate is not a mischaracterization at all. He is inaccurate, period. He is also mentally slow. This is a documented fact. I seriously doubt that anyone on this board could debunk anything. Everything you've said is laughably wrong. Dunning Kruger. First, you need to look at the difference between opinion and fact. Allen, as I said, made more tight-window throws than any other QB in the class. He cannot do that if he's inaccurate. What you're talking about is completion percentage, which is affected by far more than accuracy (but that's a whole different discussion that's probably too nuanced for someone that won't decipher opinion from fact). As for mentally slow, well, he did outscore the QB field in the Wonderlic test, so that must make Mayfield and Rosen mental midgets, right? Or are you referring to on-field processing speed? That's got far more to do with experience in a system and comfort level with the people around him, but again, we're getting way too far into subject for what you're ready to discuss. Do yourself a favor and stop now. You've said some really silly things (he's a laughingstock among the analyst community, Mayfield is everyone's QB1) that can easily be disproved with a link or two (that I'm happy to provide if you want to continue), and the further we go down this rabbit hole, the worse this has the potential to get. 4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I highly doubt he lasts beyond pick #3. Barring a trade, he and Darnold will be the first 2 QBs off the board IMO. 2
GunnerBill Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, SoFFacet said: Inaccurate is not a mischaracterization at all. He is inaccurate, period. He is also mentally slow. This is a documented fact. How is him being slow a documented fact?
thebandit27 Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, GunnerBill said: How is him being slow a documented fact? Run while you still can... 1
CuddyDark Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Ledyard said he would take Darnold in the 1st due to positional value but gave him a day 2 grade. Happens all the time now. Teams want the 5yr option for QBs.
GunnerBill Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: Barring a trade, he and Darnold will be the first 2 QBs off the board IMO. I agree. Darnold to Browns and Allen to Jets.
4merper4mer Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, Forward Progress said: I will boldly predict that 32 players will be selected in the first round. Go on with your day. I've noticed this happening in the off years when New England hasn't been caught cheating. 3
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