SouthNYfan Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 31 minutes ago, FearLess Price said: Thats the thing. Darnold could aslp start by mid season depending how coaching feels he is doing. He might pull a Russel Wilson and light it up in camp. He has more of a chance to get on the field year one. I agree with you on that, I will say that I feel the Browns acquisition of Tyrod points to Darnold or Allen being their guy, with the intention of Tyrod being their QB for 1-2 seasons, depending on who they draft. I'm could see Darnold coming in midseason for whoever drafts him as well. Good points. 1
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 I want to get the guy Beane and McDermott actually covet. That means moving up to #2. Jets obviously are not moving out of #3. Trading up to only #4 or #5 guarantees you the third QB off the board at best. Possibly the 4th off the board. That means you are settling for a QB you may not even covet as much as the 1st or 2nd guy on your board. Just move to #2 and get the guy you really like. If that is Allen then so be it. Plus, at least we didn't get outmaneuvered by the Jets by moving up to #2. 1
Lofton80 Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 Agree completely Wily Dog. I have a lot of faith in Beane and McDermott. Imagine they have a handle on which QB fits them. Allen has some big time skill that translates to the NFL. Will it take some time to harness like it did for Bradshaw, Manning etc. , of course. McDermott coached up a completely turned over secondary to an elite unit, he transformed Preston Brown to the leading tackler in the league (he stunk the year before). These guys made the playoffs with guys like Yarborough, DuCasse, Deonte Thompson, Milano and Brandon Tate contributing. If they pick Allen, I support it.
FearLess Price Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 3 hours ago, SouthNYfan said: I agree with you on that, I will say that I feel the Browns acquisition of Tyrod points to Darnold or Allen being their guy, with the intention of Tyrod being their QB for 1-2 seasons, depending on who they draft. I'm could see Darnold coming in midseason for whoever drafts him as well. Good points. I agree on that as well. They will def go Darnold or Allen. Hopefully Darnold so Giants have more of a reason to trade out. 1
Gordio Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 19 hours ago, Nihilarian said: Every Bills fan feels the same way about JP Losman now. Although it wasn't his fault he was drafted by a team with no patience in allowing him to develop properly. Drafted in 2004 by Mike Mularkey as HC, Tom Clements as OC. Losman sat his first year after breaking his leg after being run into during training camp by Troy Vincent. The team brought in Kelly Holcomb after they dumped Bledsoe and he was the backup QB with Losman starting. Needless to say that Losman's offensive line wasn't any better at protecting him then it was Bledsoe and so the musical chairs of benching QB's started. Losman actually played pretty decently in 2006 despite the crappy O line and the team went 7-9 under new HC Dick Jauron with Steve Fairchild as OC. That year Losman was the 11th best passer in the NFL with an 84.9 rating. Bad lines, bad coaching and always looking over your shoulder to see if you will be benched. Two head coaches, four different OC's. Clements, Fairchild, Schonert, Alex Van Pelt and none really worth a damn. Clements wasn't bad later on but he got his first job as an OC in Buffalo. I feel bad for both JP and Edwards as they really had no chance to do well in Buffalo. yeah I respectfully disagree. Losman & Edwards did not succeed because they were not very good QBs. JP's accuracy was his big issue & that is hard to correct. Van Miller told me one time early in Losman's career that he will never make it because he is not accurate. In the NFL if your not accurate you have very little chance of succeeding. The windows are just too tight. It kind of make me intrigued by Mayfield. The one poster, not sure who he is, but he sounds like he studies QBs & knows what he is talking about said Mayfield's placement of the football is terrific & by far the best in this draft. Accuracy is also what scares the hell out of me with Allen. He is all over the place. I wouldn't take him with the 12th pick. Trade up to 5/6 & grab Mayfield or stay put at 12 & hope Jackson is there.
Mat68 Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 4 hours ago, WideRightRevenge said: I want Baker ... but don't trade up beyond #6 to get him if he drops . .which I doubt ..... if he's gone we have AJ ... see his college stats in a stacked SEC vs. this years draft class .. and come back in 2nd/3rd for Rudolph, Falk, White, etc. Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Alabama 686 1026 66.9 9019 8.8 9.6 77 15 162.5 *2010 Alabama SEC FR QB 13 30 48 62.5 389 8.1 9.4 3 0 151.2 *2011 Alabama SEC SO QB 13 219 328 66.8 2634 8.0 8.3 16 5 147.3 *2012 Alabama SEC JR QB 14 211 314 67.2 2933 9.3 10.8 30 3 175.3 *2013 Alabama SEC SR QB 13 226 336 67.3 3063 9.1 9.8 28 7 167.2 Alabama in 2011, 2012 and 2013 had more talent on the field than their opponent every game he quarterbacked. That is why he was a mid rd qb. He doesn't do anything great. Probably, a career backup at most a game manager.
Mojo44 Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 29 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Alabama in 2011, 2012 and 2013 had more talent on the field than their opponent every game he quarterbacked. That is why he was a mid rd qb. He doesn't do anything great. Probably, a career backup at most a game manager. AJ may or may not be a franchise level talent quarterback. However, in my opinion, you way over state your opinion. I don’t believe for one minute that his statistics at Alabama, which are quite impressive, are diluted or misleading because of the talent on the field with him. They are exactly what you see on that chart. When you think about the quarterback position, it matters little who is on the field with him. It takes a great quarterback, at least a great college quarterback, to put up those numbers. To me, this is not even debatable. 1 1
SouthNYfan Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 24 minutes ago, Mojo44 said: AJ may or may not be a franchise level talent quarterback. However, in my opinion, you way over state your opinion. I don’t believe for one minute that his statistics at Alabama, which are quite impressive, are diluted or misleading because of the talent on the field with him. They are exactly what you see on that chart. When you think about the quarterback position, it matters little who is on the field with him. It takes a great quarterback, at least a great college quarterback, to put up those numbers. To me, this is not even debatable. Tim Tebow says hi. So does every single Ohio State QB of the last three decades.
Mojo44 Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Tim Tebow says hi. So does every single Ohio State QB of the last three decades. In no way, shape or form is this comparable. Comparing Tebow to AJ is like comparing apples to kumquats. Sorry, missed this one by mile, didn’t you? Let me put it to you in another way. Who would you rather have playing quarterback for the bills of those two? Something tells me I already know what your answer is.
SouthNYfan Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, Mojo44 said: In no way, shape or form is this comparable. Comparing Tebow to AJ is like comparing apples to kumquats. Sorry, missed this one by mile, didn’t you? Let me put it to you in another way. Who would you rather have playing quarterback for the bills of those two? Something tells me I already know what your answer is. Both national championship QBs from high power programs, who were surrounded by massive talent. Your idiotic statement about "the QB position matters little who is on the field with him" in regards to claiming that mccarron's college success had nothing to do with the fact that year in year out Alabama's roster could probably win 3-5 games in the NFL was why I brought up Tebow. He had ridiculous college stats, won a Heisman, and National champ, because he was in a loaded Miami roster. I never once said they were the same type/style of QB, but the point remains. College QBs with crazy talent around them excel. They rarely translate to high caliber NFL players.
Mojo44 Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 Whether at the peewee level, High school level, college or the NFL the quarterback is the most important position on the field. You are using the TyrodTaylor argument that the reason he was so putrid was because he didn’t have enough talent around him. Bull crap! It’s always the other way around by and large. That’s football 101. The Tim Tebow comparison is simply wrong! But, unlike you, I will not resort to an insulting term describe your opinion. I actually respect it. I just completely disagree. In any team sport, by far the quarterback is the most important position. A distant second might be the starting pitcher in baseball but they never finish games. A distant third might be a point guard in basketball. Again, football 101. Have a good one.
njbuff Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 If we turn the clock back to the beginning of the college football season................. I was a BIG Josh Allen fan and this is the QB I fully wanted the Bills to tank for. Fast forward to now................... Should my opinion change so drastically as it has? I am totally up in arms now as to take Allen or not. I know the talent around him deteriorated badly this past season for Allen, but the inaccuracy he showed is worrisome on the pro level. If Allen is seriously the target for Buffalo, I hope to God he isn't another EJ Manuel. That would be a disaster of epic proportions for this franchise.
LABILLBACKER Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Gordio said: yeah I respectfully disagree. Losman & Edwards did not succeed because they were not very good QBs. JP's accuracy was his big issue & that is hard to correct. Van Miller told me one time early in Losman's career that he will never make it because he is not accurate. In the NFL if your not accurate you have very little chance of succeeding. The windows are just too tight. It kind of make me intrigued by Mayfield. The one poster, not sure who he is, but he sounds like he studies QBs & knows what he is talking about said Mayfield's placement of the football is terrific & by far the best in this draft. Accuracy is also what scares the hell out of me with Allen. He is all over the place. I wouldn't take him with the 12th pick. Trade up to 5/6 & grab Mayfield or stay put at 12 & hope Jackson is there. I guarantee, Allen will be alot like JP. Neither can throw an accurate 15 yard out to save their lives. I have to believe McB will only be willing to trade up for Darnold (maybe ? Rosen). I also love Mayfield@ 6? If we give up tons of picks to get Allen it will set this team back even more. Edited April 5, 2018 by LABILLBACKER
njbuff Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 I believe the Bills organization has been all over Darnold and Rosen since this new regime took over. A trade up is for either of these two...................... If that fails, the Bills will either stay put of trade back further and accumulate more draft capital to build up the roster. McBeane is working diligently to get Darnold or Rosen in a Bills uniform.
3rdand12 Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 On 4/4/2018 at 2:13 PM, Reed83HOF said: Which is true, we didn't even have Tre in last year IIRC... I honestly do not recall whether true or not 83. But i am firm in my opinion. I do not think the Qty of visits tells the tale. On 4/4/2018 at 6:20 PM, SouthNYfan said: Right. I think it's to push the browns to get him. It's pretty much accepted that darnold should get a year on the bench though... and that fits perfectly with AJ being given his chance to be the Starter 23 hours ago, SouthNYfan said: I'll not here to debate who is better My point was darnold should sit for 1 year is accepted across the board Allen for minimum 1, maybe 2 So your assertion that the bills signed aj mccarron as a backup to use a day 1 starter would then eliminate darnold by your logic as well That was my point I suspect AJ is the starter till he either fulfills the dream or the Newly Drafted QB is deemed ready. and that is the plan all along. 1
SouthNYfan Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 3 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: I honestly do not recall whether true or not 83. But i am firm in my opinion. I do not think the Qty of visits tells the tale. and that fits perfectly with AJ being given his chance to be the Starter I suspect AJ is the starter till he either fulfills the dream or the Newly Drafted QB is deemed ready. and that is the plan all along. Yeah. I wonder what happens if we trade up, draft a QB high, and AJ turns into a beast?? Do we trade the young guy? Let AJ ride it out?
BillsFan17 Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Yeah. I wonder what happens if we trade up, draft a QB high, and AJ turns into a beast?? Do we trade the young guy? Let AJ ride it out? Sounds like the Brees/Rivers conundrum. As long as the one you hold onto doesnt flop... 1
3rdand12 Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 7 hours ago, SouthNYfan said: Yeah. I wonder what happens if we trade up, draft a QB high, and AJ turns into a beast?? Do we trade the young guy? Let AJ ride it out? I will do a little dance at our good fortune to begin with..... 1
SouthNYfan Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 7 hours ago, BillsFan17 said: Sounds like the Brees/Rivers conundrum. As long as the one you hold onto doesnt flop... def. although brees was coming back from a possible career ending injury, and pre-injury he never played at the level he wound up reaching in NO. 15 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: I will do a little dance at our good fortune to begin with..... me too. i meant it would be a tough choice 1
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