Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 Just now, smuvtalker said: I'm gonna go with Edmunds, Barkley (Penny maybe, if we get him), and Chark. I'll ask you the same thing I asked pete. Do you KNOW they'll be successful, or is it a "lottery ticket?"
freddyjj Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 Oh and btw, the Bills traded a future Pro Bowl RB, their #1 pick in 1988, their #1 pick in 1989 and a 2nd rd pick in 1989 for an Outside LB named Cornelius Bennett in 1987. That team was building for the future too! And they used a 2nd Rounder in 1988, their first pick in that draft to pick #34 Thurman Thomas. Did everyone have more cajones back then? Why are so many afraid of ID'ing the QB of the future and moving to obtain him? IMHO a strong GM an College Scouting system should yield the returns we all are hoping for again. 1
Logic Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Domdab99 said: Hey, it's possible, and I hope it works. But who is Rosen or Mayfield going to be throwing to, exactly? That question makes it sound as if Free Agency doesn't exist, and that the Bills don't have $90 million going into it next year. Additionally, the picks we would use to move up would only be from this year's -- and potentially next year's -- draft. If we hit on the right QB, he could be here for 10+ years. That being the case, the notion of being temporarily minorly hamstrung in terms of draft picks does not dissuade me from wanting to identify and select said QB. Besides, if said QB is good enough, he will elevate the receivers already on the roster (Benjamin, Jones, Reilly, Clay for starters).
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 QB: Josh Rosen LB: Roquon Smith RB: Derrius Guice WR: DJ Moore I know it.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 Am I wrong about this? Over the past 10 years teams that have traded in to the top 5 were in the playoffs within 2 years? Jets - made playoffs year 1 Redskins - made playoffs year 1 Rams - made playoffs year 2 Eagles - made playoffs year 2 Bears -? The Bills have $100 million in cap and no major contracts for 3 years. They may struggle in 2018, but can build up the roster in 2019.
Big Gun Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 4 hours ago, Domdab99 said: Moving up is sexy, it's fun, it's what's for dinner these days. But moving up will set the team's growth back three, maybe five years. Possibly longer. This team has so many holes, that to throw away all these picks on a QB who might be good is insanity. If we can somehow move up and still have 1 2nd and 1 3rd...I'd be willing to listen. But only for Rosen or Mayfield. Trading up for any of the other QBs is insanity. Especially since Jackson has a very good chance of being there at 12. Hell, he has a good chance of being there at 22. I'd rather pick an elite player at 12 - Roquan Smith, Derwin James, Vita Vea....etc. Use the rest of the picks on holes like WR, OL, DL, LB.... Throwing away this draft along with a first next next year? No thanks. Didn't set the Eagles back.
freddyjj Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 14 minutes ago, Pete said: So we Trent Dilfer, Jim McMahon, Doug Williams, Nick Foles, Jeff Hostletter are ok to overpay for as well? The Ravens D won that superbowl Pete, I believe you got your SB wins by the Ravens mixed up. 2013 SB won by Baltimore 34-31 over 49ers. Ravens "GREAT D" gave up 484 yds and 31 points to Colin Kapepernick led 49ers - let that sink in. Oh and Joe Flacco was 22/33 for 287 and 3 TDs and won MVP of SB. IMHO you are severely underrating the role a QB plays in a team's success. OBD and the Bills are proof of what not having a franchise QB can do to a franchise
smuvtalker Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 14 minutes ago, joesixpack said: I'll ask you the same thing I asked pete. Do you KNOW they'll be successful, or is it a "lottery ticket?" No, I don't know at all. Definitely more of a lottery ticket then anything sure. Edmunds maybe like 50,000 tickets, Barkley, 25,000, and Chark 12 tickets.
#34fan Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, CountDorkula said: The majority of McCarron’s passes in the NFL so far came over his three starts at the end of the 2015 season. Over that stretch, the Bengals beat the 49ers and Ravens, each of whom finished 5-11, and lost in overtime to the eventual Super Bowl-champion Broncos. McCarron completed 54 of his 83 passes (65.1 percent) over that stretch with four touchdowns and no interceptions. That may look impressive and was good enough for a 100.1 passer rating as a starter, but the problem was that the Bengals’ offense slowed to a crawl. He averaged just 184 passing yards in those games, stalling an offense that averaged 376.9 yards in Dalton’s 13 starts. With McCarron at the helm for the final three games, Cincinnati averaged 276 yards and couldn’t top 300. That continued into the postseason, where the Bengals lost 18-16 to the Steelers and were outgained 369 yards to 279. Even during McCarron’s days at Alabama, he had a reputation as a game manager who leaned on a strong running game and an NFL-caliber cast around him. Hoping he can generate offense on his own and lead a team to points with his arm may be too much to ask. https://www.sbnation.com/2018/3/13/17020272/aj-mccarron-nfl-free-agency-2018-cincinnati-bengals so 4 TD's in 3 games with no INT's but the offense failed to move the ball consistently. hmmm.. where have i heard that before. The numbers AJ put up as a starter aren't inconsistent with the backup QB position... In that role, you just want someone that won't lose you games... Tyrod, by contrast was a starter giving you consistent backup production... He did not fulfill his role... 134 yards and 1 interception in the Jacksonville wildcard game is unforgiveable... AJ gets credit for time spent sitting behind a pro, learning the game... he also gets kudos for NOT losing the majority of the games he started as a pro... To me, that's a better starting point than ZERO in terms of NFL experience. -Especially given the sketchiness we now have at OC. Edited April 3, 2018 by #34fan 1
Tyrod's friend Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 4 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Rams say Hi After the 2016 season they went out and got themselves a damned good LT, a couple of WR, and a pretty brilliant offensive mind. I don't think anyone in LA was saying "Hi" before then and I know my RamsFanSinceWarner son wasn't crowing too much.
gobills1212 Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Augie said: There are “different opinions”, I’d like to think there is not “stupidity”. I’ll try to relax, we still have weeks to go.... Agreed I will NEVER EVER EVER subscribe to OPs thought process here. It just will never happen, and even knowing the FQB could bust and it could be a waste, 10/10 times I hope they do ANYTHING possible to get that guy. Thats as FAR opposite as OP and I can get. That said, its his view. Its thought out and explained and isnt like the people who crawl out from under a rock, listen to 1 draft show, state the obvious and dub themselves an expert. Anything in the vein of the former cant be considered stupid.... just and opinion. Its OK to disagree. Sometimes we seem to forget that. 1
wagon127 Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 When we missed the playoffs for 17 straight years, were we without a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round draft picks the entire time? Or were we missing a franchise QB? 2
BuffaloRush Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 5 hours ago, Domdab99 said: Moving up is sexy, it's fun, it's what's for dinner these days. But moving up will set the team's growth back three, maybe five years. Possibly longer. This team has so many holes, that to throw away all these picks on a QB who might be good is insanity. If we can somehow move up and still have 1 2nd and 1 3rd...I'd be willing to listen. But only for Rosen or Mayfield. Trading up for any of the other QBs is insanity. Especially since Jackson has a very good chance of being there at 12. Hell, he has a good chance of being there at 22. I'd rather pick an elite player at 12 - Roquan Smith, Derwin James, Vita Vea....etc. Use the rest of the picks on holes like WR, OL, DL, LB.... Throwing away this draft along with a first next next year? No thanks. “It’s whats for dinner?” WTF stupid kind of verbiage is that? Terrible
Tyrod's friend Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Does having all of those picks meant that the Bills will hit on each one? Even if they do the team only gets so far without a consistently good to great QB. Take the swing, it's long overdue. Can we still call it taking a swing if we just draft the QB available at 12? or for that matter, 22? Question is whether or not we can trust the brains over there. If not they are just as likely to screw up the second pick in the draft as the 12th. Just get it right. This one time, be the team that drafts Ryan Clady instead of Leodis. Be the team that drafts Haloti Ngata instead of Donte Whitner. Get Clay Matthews instead of Aaron Maybin. It's always taking a swing. No matter where in the draft.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 23 minutes ago, wagon127 said: When we missed the playoffs for 17 straight years, were we without a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round draft picks the entire time? Or were we missing a franchise QB? If I told you that, barring the players we selected this past year, there are only 3 players on our roster that we used a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round pick on since 2000 (and all of them are still on their rookie deals) would it be surprising? If you want to include Tre White, Zay Jones, and Dion Dawkins then there are 6.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: If I told you that, barring the players we selected this past year, there are only 3 players on our roster that we used a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round pick on since 2000 (and all of them are still on their rookie deals) would it be surprising? If you want to include Tre White, Zay Jones, and Dion Dawkins then there are 6. Why do you figure that is? I know the answer, but I wanna see if you think the same way I do on this.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Why do you figure that is? I know the answer, but I wanna see if you think the same way I do on this. A combination of poor picks, coaching/scheme turnover, and an unwillingness to pay up once the rookie contract ends.
Foxx Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 5 hours ago, Domdab99 said: Moving up is sexy, it's fun, it's what's for dinner these days. But moving up will set the team's growth back three, maybe five years. Possibly longer. This team has so many holes, that to throw away all these picks on a QB who might be good is insanity. If we can somehow move up and still have 1 2nd and 1 3rd...I'd be willing to listen. But only for Rosen or Mayfield. Trading up for any of the other QBs is insanity. Especially since Jackson has a very good chance of being there at 12. Hell, he has a good chance of being there at 22. I'd rather pick an elite player at 12 - Roquan Smith, Derwin James, Vita Vea....etc. Use the rest of the picks on holes like WR, OL, DL, LB.... Throwing away this draft along with a first next next year? No thanks. i'll tell you what is insanity, doing what has always been done and expecting different results. you only need ask yourself one question, what did Buffalo's glory days consist of? i'll give you a hint, a franchise QB. the rest of Bills history, not much to be desired. glad your not the GM. get your QB McBean
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