Ol Dirty B Posted April 4, 2018 Posted April 4, 2018 No one cares about Saban, or Alabama on this board. Go to a Bama board to talk tide. This has nothing to do with Rosen. Even if what he said is something you could somehow quantify as being wrong, it has nothing to do with what he's going to be as an NFL QB. 1 minute ago, Sky Diver said: Frankly those rankings don’t mean much. Have you ever looked at the criteria? Alabama’s 25th to 75th percentile ACT scores are 23 and 32. The average ACT is 27. 40% of students have an ACT of 30 or greater. However, as you can tell from the 25th percentile score, UA also enrolls a lot of low stat students. Serving a broad range of students lowers it’s ranking. Does that diminish the quality of the students get there? I don’t think so. If you have a 33 ACT and a 3.5 GPA, UA gives you $25,000 yr. If you are in engineering, they give you another $2,500 yr. Assuming no financial aid, you can get a fine education at UA for about a quarter of the cost of an Ivy League school. Go to a Bama board... No one cares. 2
xxxxxxxx Posted April 4, 2018 Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sky Diver said: Rosen has no clue what he’s talking about regarding UA, and suggesting that UA isn’t a strong academic institution is ridiculous. More than 40 percent of UA’s 7,407-member freshman class scored 30 or higher on the ACT, and 38 percent were in the top 10 percent of their high school graduating class. The entering class in 2017 carries an average high school grade-point average of 3.72, with 34 percent having a high school GPA of 4.0 or higher. Fifty-one UA students have been named Goldwater Scholars, including four in 2017. The University of Alabama has produced a total of 15 Rhodes Scholars, 16 Truman Scholars, 32 Hollings Scholars and 11 Boren Scholars. UA is perennially ranked a top school for enrolling National Merit Scholars. http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/news/20130206/ua-tops-list-of-freshman-national-merit-scholars Your cute, and clearly swallowing the promotional Kool aid. GPA's are weighted differently in different regions. Tougher schools will have lower average GPA's, and easier schools will inflate theirs. UCLA, where Rosen is attending, lists there average GPA at 4.31, so your average Alabama undergrad isn't even close. Rosen knows exactly what he is talking about. And for the record, Alabama has one of the poorest public education systems in the developed world. Edited April 4, 2018 by MURPHD6
Sky Diver Posted April 4, 2018 Author Posted April 4, 2018 Demanding degrees and Ivy League schools aren’t for everyone. Rosen doesn’t go to an Ivy League school and he isn’t in a particularly difficult major. I think he’s a guy who’s led a sheltered existence and has no clue what he is talking about.
Royale with Cheese Posted April 4, 2018 Posted April 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Frankly those rankings don’t mean much. Have you ever looked at the criteria? Alabama’s 25th to 75th percentile ACT scores are 23 and 32. The average ACT is 27. 40% of students have an ACT of 30 or greater. However, as you can tell from the 25th percentile score, UA also enrolls a lot of low stat students. Serving a broad range of students lowers it’s ranking. Does that diminish the quality of the education students get there? I don’t think so. If you have a 33 ACT and a 3.5 GPA, UA gives you $25,000 yr. If you are in engineering, they give you another $2,500 yr. Assuming no financial aid, you can get a fine education at UA for about a quarter of the cost of an Ivy League school. Which is why I said it’s a good school but you can’t accept that. You need to hear great or something. You don’t think Time or Forbes researched the criteria? You think they just guessed the rankings? Alabama is at the level academically as other major state schools. It’s the same as Georgia, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Florida, Texas etc....
xxxxxxxx Posted April 4, 2018 Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Demanding degrees and Ivy League schools aren’t for everyone. Rosen doesn’t go to an Ivy League school and he isn’t in a particularly difficult major. I think he’s a guy who’s led a sheltered existence and has no clue what he is talking about. Rosen goes to the most prestigious public post-secondary institution in the world. Alot of folk view the University of California's network _ UCLA, Berkely, San Diego, Santa Cruz, etc. as being better than the Ivy League, because the Ivy league lets in way too many connected rich kids whose parents buy there way in. Edited April 4, 2018 by MURPHD6
Royale with Cheese Posted April 4, 2018 Posted April 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Demanding degrees and Ivy League schools aren’t for everyone. Rosen doesn’t go to an Ivy League school and he isn’t in a particularly difficult major. I think he’s a guy who’s led a sheltered existence and has no clue what he is talking about. Demanding degrees don’t need to come from Ivy League schools. Demanding degreee are Engineering, Mathematics, Medical, Science etc.... Its not marketing, business or communications. That’s what he meant. If Rosen didn’t know what he was talking about, his comments wouldn’t have made so much noise. Do you agree or disagree with AL.com that we should be thanking Rosen? You like using AL.com Whats Rosen’s major?
Sky Diver Posted April 4, 2018 Author Posted April 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said: Your cute, and clearly swallowing the promotional Kool aid. GPA's are weighted differently in different regions. Tougher schools will have lower average GPA's, and easier schools will inflate theirs. UCLA, where Rosen is attending, lists there average GPA at 4.31, so your average Alabama undergrad isn't even close. Rosen knows exactly what he is talking about. And for the record, Alabama has one of the poorest public education systems in the developed world. There are just about as many elite students at UA as UCLA. 25th percentile ACT is 32 at UA vs 33 at UCLA. Even though UA enrolls a lot of low stat students the average ACT between the 2 schools isn’t that far off: 27 vs 29. The majority of students at Alabama are from out of state. 6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Which is why I said it’s a good school but you can’t accept that. You need to hear great or something. You don’t think Time or Forbes researched the criteria? You think they just guessed the rankings? Alabama is at the level academically as other major state schools. It’s the same as Georgia, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Florida, Texas etc.... Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida and Texas A&M are the best SEC schools. Alabama is probably 5th.
xxxxxxxx Posted April 4, 2018 Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: There are just about as many elite students at UA as UCLA. 25th percentile ACT is 32 at UA vs 33 at UCLA. Even though UA enrolls a lot of low stat students the average ACT between the 2 schools isn’t that far off: 27 vs 29. The majority of students at Alabama are from out of state. That means nothing. There are elite students at EVERY INSTITUTION. What matters is the floor, the cut off, the programs that are charging 30,000 tuition for crap. And those programs are common at sports oriented schools. Edited April 4, 2018 by MURPHD6
Sky Diver Posted April 4, 2018 Author Posted April 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Demanding degrees don’t need to come from Ivy League schools. Demanding degreee are Engineering, Mathematics, Medical, Science etc.... Its not marketing, business or communications. That’s what he meant. If Rosen didn’t know what he was talking about, his comments wouldn’t have made so much noise. Do you agree or disagree with AL.com that we should be thanking Rosen? You like using AL.com Whats Rosen’s major? Demanding degrees are school independent. For example, any ABET accredited engineering school will have the same curriculum. Rosen is majoring in economics. Not an easy major, but not as demanding as engineering, mathematics, computer science, natural science, etc.
Royale with Cheese Posted April 4, 2018 Posted April 4, 2018 UCLA acceptance rate is 18%. Alabama is 54%. So more than half of the students who apply at Alabama get in. It’s much harder to get into UCLA.
Sky Diver Posted April 4, 2018 Author Posted April 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said: That means nothing. There are elite students at EVERY INSTITUTION. What matters is the floor, the cut off, the programs that are charging 30,000 tuition for crap. And those programs are common at sports oriented schools. Having a 75th percentile ACT of 32 puts Alabama among the public Ivy’s. The 25th percentile of 23 is largely demographic driven.
Royale with Cheese Posted April 4, 2018 Posted April 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Demanding degrees are school independent. For example, any ABET accredited engineering school will have the same curriculum. Rosen is majoring in economics. Not an easy major, but not as demanding as engineering, mathematics, computer science, natural science, etc. The STEM degrees are not school dependent. They are demanding everywhere. If Rosen wants to pursue Economics at a higher level, it’s very demanding. Dobuou agree with AL.com that we should be thanking Rosen? 1 minute ago, Sky Diver said: Having a 75th percentile ACT of 32 puts Alabama among the public Ivy’s. The 25th percentile of 23 is largely demographic driven. When more than half of students who apply get in, it’s not among the ivy’s.
xxxxxxxx Posted April 4, 2018 Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: The STEM degrees are not school dependent. They are demanding everywhere. If Rosen wants to pursue Economics at a higher level, it’s very demanding. Dobuou agree with AL.com that we should be thanking Rosen? Absolutely. Engineering at any instituion is more demanding than most Alabama programs. Economics is not on that level, but its not easy and not offered at most schools (Marketing is way easier, btw) Most general ranking numbers are marketing BS aimed at stupid parents. The lowest performing student in Rosen's program is, more likely than not, a higher achiever than the majority of student athletes that make up Sabans squad. Edited April 4, 2018 by MURPHD6
Sky Diver Posted April 4, 2018 Author Posted April 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: The STEM degrees are not school dependent. They are demanding everywhere. If Rosen wants to pursue Economics at a higher level, it’s very demanding. Dobuou agree with AL.com that we should be thanking Rosen? When more than half of students who apply get in, it’s not among the ivy’s. Look at the 75th percentile scores of the public Ivy’s. They are generally 32 - 33. If you are in a demanding major, the low stat students are weeded out and if you are in honors, you will be among other high stat students. Just because UA enrolls low stat students it doesn’t mean that you interact with them academically. Most large flagships are a university within a university.
xxxxxxxx Posted April 4, 2018 Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Look at the 75th percentile scores of the public Ivy’s. They are generally 32 - 33. If you are in a demanding major, the low stat students are weeded out and if you are in honors, you will be among other high stat students. Just because UA enrolls low stat students it doesn’t mean that you interact with them academically. Most large flagships are a university within a university. It means that they can play football. Alabama football players are not enrolled in Flagship programs. That is Rosen' point, and its not Sabans point, so I hope that you agree with Rosen now. Edited April 4, 2018 by MURPHD6
Sky Diver Posted April 4, 2018 Author Posted April 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said: Absolutely. Engineering at any instituion is more demanding than most Alabama programs. Economics is not on that level, but its not easy and not offered at most schools (Marketing is way easier, btw) Most general ranking numbers are marketing BS aimed at stupid parents. The lowest performing student in Rosen's program is, more likely than not, a higher achiever than the majority of student athletes that make up Sabans squad. Why would you think engineering at Alabama is easy, lol. Why do you have such a high opinion of UCLA? They had one of the worst records of lowering the bar for athletes. Maybe they have cleaned up their act. http://dailybruin.com/2009/01/06/emucla-should-not-lower-admission-standards-athlet/ 1 minute ago, MURPHD6 said: It means that they can play football. Alabama football players are not enrolled in Flagship programs. That is Rosen' point, and its not Sabans point, so I hope that you agree with Rosen now. I don’t think Rosen had a point nor did he have a clue about what he was taking about. That’s the problem. But he’s perceived by some as a genius.
xxxxxxxx Posted April 4, 2018 Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) There are alot of nuances that you don't understand, and your Roll Tide enthusiasm is clouding your thinking. Alot of people in education have high opinions of UCLA, Alabama not so much. And no, engineering at Alabama is not easy. Its hard everywhere.Alabama has cupcake programs buit for athletes, and people look down on that. The football team wins, the athletes don't get paid, the school makes money, but if your a player who doesn't make the NFL your not necessarily getting rewarded with a solid education, irregardless of what Saban might say. Edited April 4, 2018 by MURPHD6
Sky Diver Posted April 4, 2018 Author Posted April 4, 2018 UCLA and UA are both fine schools that provide great educations. I am sure that if you knew more about Alabama you would agree. 84% of UA’s football players are earning degrees. That’s a good thing. Why Rosen felt the need to demean Alabama and a couple of Clemson players who earned their degrees early is beyond me. I’m not sure what good he thought could come from it.
Ol Dirty B Posted April 4, 2018 Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: UCLA and UA are both fine schools that provide great educations. I am sure that if you knew more about Alabama you would agree. 84% of UA’s football players are earning degrees. That’s a good thing. Why Rosen felt the need to demean Alabama and a couple of Clemson players who earned their degrees early is beyond me. I’m not sure what good he thought could come from it. So... now we finally get to the real reason for the thread... Wow that is amazing. I hope we draft the kid even more. You're sensitive over the school you went to? Get over it... Who cares... People who go to a lot of these schools are like !@#$ing loons who join cults. I'm not just singling you out, trust me, I know people who are just as absurd and crazy who went to PSU, MSU, ND, and LSU. It's a really annoying trait to have though to be honest. Edited April 4, 2018 by Ol Dirty B
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