Old School Catholicism

[Lurker]

56 minutes ago, sherpa said:

Just a thought.

 

IMO, punishment for non-compliance--or the lack thereof due to the absence of an adult male presence--is the driving force behind those statistics...

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Interesting.  My father was 'broken' of the left handed trait by the nuns in his grade school using the same corporal punishment, I am also left handed and he had no thoughts on the subject.  I am in my early 60s, public schools for elementary, private for secondary.  Did your father's parents have 'old world' values, or were they originally from outside North America?

 

Old world values.  But that's the way my father always was/is.  

[ExiledInIllinois]

9 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Interesting.  My father was 'broken' of the left handed trait by the nuns in his grade school using the same corporal punishment, I am also left handed and he had no thoughts on the subject.  I am in my early 60s, public schools for elementary, private for secondary.  Did your father's parents have 'old world' values, or were they originally from outside North America?

My older sister will be 55.  They tried in public school to make her write right-handed.  West Seneca schools.

 

My neighbor is 70.  She went to Catholic school in Cincinnati... The Nuns encouraged her to write left.

 

Go figure... My Sister, late 1960s public, my neighbor mid-1950s parochial.

 

Anyway... We had 10 at the table eating dinner every night.  We parked my sister on the end of the table! 

[Buffalo716]

I was raised a strict Catholic by my mother and grandmother 

 

still am today...

 

Funny enough I am left handed and I went to public school.... but about 1st or 2nd grade the teachers starting taking the pencil out of my land hand and switched it too my right 

 

i play football, baseball, basketball, hockey, everything left handed... except for write

[ExiledInIllinois]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Old world values.  But that's the way my father always was/is.  

Remember:

 

Elementary education really changed drastically in 1970s... When the counter-culture gen started leading.

 

 

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

I was raised a strict Catholic by my mother and grandmother 

 

still am today...

 

Funny enough I am left handed and I went to public school.... but about 1st or 2nd grade the teachers starting taking the pencil out of my land hand and switched it too my right 

 

i play football, baseball, basketball, hockey, everything left handed... except for write

Fountain pens would smear ink if written lefty.  Penmanship would be atrocious.  No fonts on computer, printers, etc...

 

The ballpoint pen, practical model has only been around about 80 years and even that was a slow change with the masses.

[row_33]

I'm a lefty with dozens of fountain pens.

 

I "underwrite" on a page, my hand inches below the ink.

 

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

 

Oh... Wait!  Smeared ink!  Grand Mandela conspiracy!!!!

Just now, row_33 said:

I'm a lefty with dozens of fountain pens.

 

I "underwrite" on a page, my hand inches below the ink.

 

 

Understood.  Logistics my dear child, logistics. 

 

Sister Scary Mary don't have time for that!

 

But teaching every lame brain kid.

 

You're great.  You aren't a slob

 

Ever see a Lefty "over write"... They do with ink too..

[Misterbluesky]

5 hours ago, Another Fan said:

My curiosities this morning led me to ask something which I'm sure cause debate or not.

 

Grandfather was an old school Catholic, thought chilling was a mortal sin and missing Mass.  Wasn't raised that extreme but grew up with that sort of influence.  The men in my family were like Jack Arnold from The Wonder Years.

 

Is that sort of upbringing a thing of the past for the most part?

Growing up we never missed mass,even when we would go on vacation my parents would find a church to go to.TBH..my wife goes much more than I do,but I do pray everyday.I really think if she wasn't in my life I would sin a bit more than I do..she doesn't allow pornographic material in our home for example.And cursing is frowned upon ( "f",sob," b"), "a-hole").No meat for us on Ash Wednesday and Fridays during lent either...also I confess my sins to the lord..in private while she goes to church to confess.Bottom line...she is 100% old school.me..70%.

[Gordio]

3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

He did.  If I have to open a jar, balance a tray or pick up something really heavy....I use my left.

I throw and punch with my right.

 

My dad didn't understand that about baseball back then.  He saw more right handers as far as position players so he thought that would be better for me.

I still ended up with a baseball scholarship but if I was left handed...I probably would have had more offers.  

 

 

Being a lefty is funny when it comes to baseball.  Yeah a good left handed pitcher is worth it's weight in gold but as far as positional players go it really limits you where you are playing.  Like I tell the kids on my sons 14 U Travel team(I help coach).  We have 2 lefties.  I tell them your future if you don't want to be a pitcher, learn to play the outfield because outside of 1B, your not getting a chance at any other position, 

[sherpa]

There is nothing Biblical regarding meat on Fridays, nor Ash Wednesday, nor Lent.

There is nothing Biblical about Mary being a virgin for life.

There is Biblical proof that supports that Jesus had real brothers and sisters.

 

Anyway, the point is that these things always treat Catholicism as some provident authority on Christianity, when that is far from the truth. 

Catholicism has a bunch of non bionically supported traditions, but that is just what they are.  

[Misterbluesky]

3 hours ago, teef said:

i think it's done.  i was raised italian catholic.  my uncle is a priest, and in the neighborhood they grew up in, it was like being a rock star.  on occasion i run into people where my mom is from, and they still remember my uncle.  i went to 16 years of catholic school, 9 of which were by the jesuits.  i chose my college, so it wasn't forced on me at that point, and on top of that...the college never pushed it.  i think between the scandals and older philosophies, the old school stuff is over.  my uncle is in his 80s, and even he has a pretty liberal view towards the church at this point.   we're not even church goers anymore, and we're struggling a bit to figure out how to teach our daughter some kind of faith.  i'm just not into it at this point in my life.

No Christian burial/funeral either?

[sherpa]

44 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

IMO, punishment for non-compliance--or the lack thereof due to the absence of an adult male presence--is the driving force behind those statistics...

 

Your premise would fall on it's face given the statistics.

When the father is removed, ie., "punishment for non-compliance," (to use your words), is removed the stats are undeniable.

From my link:

   

    "The question was asked to determine whether a person’s religion carried through to the next generation, and if so, why, or if not, why not. The result is dynamite. There is one critical factor. It is overwhelming, and it is this: It is the religious practice of the father of the family that, above all, determines the future attendance at or absence from church of the children."

[RochesterRob]

6 hours ago, Another Fan said:

My curiosities this morning led me to ask something which I'm sure cause debate or not.

 

Grandfather was an old school Catholic, thought chilling was a mortal sin and missing Mass.  Wasn't raised that extreme but grew up with that sort of influence.  The men in my family were like Jack Arnold from The Wonder Years.

 

Is that sort of upbringing a thing of the past for the most part?

   I knew plenty of Jack Arnold's growing up as feared heads of the family.

[RochesterRob]

2 hours ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

This thread sounds like a "get off my lawn" rant. 

 

I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but there were "good people" and "bad people" 100 years ago, 75 years ago, 50 years ago, 25 years ago as well as today.

 

 

  I'll inject my experience at this juncture.  I was raised Catholic and as of the last dozen years attend Mass every week.  I went through a period of questioning of what I was getting out of it and thus a 25 year absence from Mass.  It seemed like the parish priest had his own agenda that he pushed which did not encourage me in the least.  If I had kids I would hope that they would experience it and if it did not suit them at a young age to maybe give it another shot in middle age as I did.  I get so much more out of it having lived life for quite a while versus being a kid receiving a lecture w/o context.  As others have said there are both good and bad people in the Catholic Church as there are in other institutions of humanity.  You just have to seek out the good in any situation.

Edited April 3, 2018 by RochesterRob

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 hour ago, Misterbluesky said:

Growing up we never missed mass,even when we would go on vacation my parents would find a church to go to.TBH..my wife goes much more than I do,but I do pray everyday.I really think if she wasn't in my life I would sin a bit more than I do..she doesn't allow pornographic material in our home for example.And cursing is frowned upon ( "f",sob," b"), "a-hole").No meat for us on Ash Wednesday and Fridays during lent either...also I confess my sins to the lord..in private while she goes to church to confess.Bottom line...she is 100% old school.me..70%.

My wife's family would drive to ADK every summer for a week's holiday.  6-7 hour drive on Saturday to a "housekeeping cottage."  Even before unpacking vehicle, they would attend Mass that Saturday evening.

 

One stop stop outside of fuel.  Outside Syracuse.  Everything was in the car for a week including the cat, case of Genesee pounders, 4 children, the watermelon and my wife's little brother's Tonka Trucks.

 

They needed to hit Mass immediately after landing that safety bomb of a jam packed VW SquareBack.  Backs seats laid flat, my wife would stand/kneel in gap behind her father as he drove. Like The Pope kissing the ground when He lands in a plane they went to Mass and prayed on their holiday arrival.

 

The roof rack came a few years later and they had luxury! 

Edited April 3, 2018 by ExiledInIllinois

[Misterbluesky]

7 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

My wife's family would drive to ADK every summer for a week's holiday.  6-7 hour drive on Saturday to a "housekeeping cottage."  Even before unpacking vehicle, they would attend Mass that Saturday evening.

 

One stop stop outside of fuel.  Outside Syracuse.  Everything was in the car for a week including the cat, case of Genesee pounders, 4 children, the watermelon and my wife's little brother's Tonka Trucks.

 

They needed to hit Mass immediately after landing that safety bomb of a jam packed VW SquareBack.  Backs seats laid flat, my wife would stand/kneel in gap behind her father as he drove. Like The Pope kissing the ground when He lands in a plane they went to Mass and prayed on their holiday arrival.

 

The roof rack came a few years later and they had luxury! 

It was a station wagon,wasn't it? 

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 minute ago, Misterbluesky said:

It was a station wagon,wasn't it? 

Yep.  VW SquareBack though... Ain't no Chevy Impala/Caprice Classics wagons (1973 & then a '77 C.Classic) like my old man would buy!!!

 

VW wagons are small:

 

 

 

[apuszczalowski]

5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I'm 36 and my dad is mid 60's.

He's not like this anymore but was when I was little.  I was born left handed, did everything left handed and he wouldn't allow it.

Every time I picked up something or threw something with my left hand, he would smack it.  He forced me to be right handed.  He apologizes for it now.

You should send him things showing him what lefty pitchers make in baseball and say "what could have been...."

Lol

[ExiledInIllinois]

Just now, apuszczalowski said:

You should send him things showing him what lefty pitchers make in baseball and say "what could have been...."

Lol

People always pitched lefty!  That's acceptable.  But chicken scratch, smeared ink by the masses? Forget about it!

Like Rudolph and Donner I suppose. 

[Fan in San Diego]

I was raised very strict Protestant. I took a long break from the church after I became an adult and didn't really take my children to church very much. So they are very religion adverse. Something I regret doing but it's done now. Recently I've become very active in a church in Murrieta and it is a fantastic modern church. I love it! Jesus is awesome and growing thru these new modern churches that are very biblically based.