NewEraBills Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 Some of the irrationality. Glad Beane is the GM and not some people here.
YoloinOhio Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 38 minutes ago, kdiggz said: repost. i almost prefer they pick outside of the top 5 because i don't trust them to pick the right QB at 2. if they traded all the way up and took Josh Allen or Sam Darnold i would barf. Rosen is my guy but Mayfield at 5-7 is the best value if they like him. These are also the two that I want the least in a trade up situation 2
John from Riverside Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Said same thing about Darby after his rookie year. I would Not offer Tre. But if that is the ONLY package that gets me the QB that i feel is going to be a 15 year plus top end QB I absolutely make the trade I really think this is a different situation....but I realize your only thinking about this hypothetically Darby had a good first year...then struggled when asked to change systems Tre had a pro bowl worthy first season.....and is in the perfect system for him (and was drafted by this regime) I expect the cost to trade up to be high.....but would rather use lottery tickets then good established players 1
blacklabel Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 30 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Tre white and 12 for the two pick Haha. There's no way they're trading a solid young player and the first ever pick of the McDermott era. Their secondary is probably one of the strongest overall groups on the team. No way they're gonna meddle with that right now. It's one of very few areas of the team where they probably feel pretty good. Honestly at this point I don't see very many players they have that they can use in a trade. People say Hughes/Lawson a lot but those guys aren't going anywhere. Hughes' contract isn't bad, Lawson is still developing and on a rookie deal, plus McDermott relies heavily on his DL and wants that to be one of the best groups on the team.
Boatdrinks Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, kdiggz said: it's strange to you that I live in Buffalo and my team has been a joke for my entire life and you are wondering why I have a hard time trusting them? funny. it's not a choice to follow them. they are me and i am them. too many reports of them wanting Josh Allen over much better prospects like Rosen for me to trust the situation. I'm just stating a fact that i feel more comfortable with them getting someone like Mayfield at pick 5-7 because i don't trust the situation. newsflash, they aren't going to listen to anything i say and this is just a message board so i'm just stating my opinion. you have stated your opinion in that you would like them to give up everything to move to 2 and i would be fine with that, i just don't feel comfortable once there that they would choose the right person What if Allen ends up as the best QB from this draft ? The fact is that none of us know. Including ANY of the NFL teams drafting them. You give yourself too much credit. I stated I would prefer a move to the 2nd pick, NOT that I would like the Bills to give up everything to do so. That's a different question / discussion altogether. The best scenario for this Bills GM/ HC/ scouting department ( not the same " them" as the last 20 years) is to have the choice. The opportunity to go all in on the player they believe in the most, rather than hope that player is the one that slides to them at pick 5, 6 or whatever. Yes , that is also an opportunity to get it wrong. If that happens, then jobs will likely be lost. But all GMs would take the ability to make the choice every single time. The # 2 pick may well be out of reach due to cost or the Giants unwillingness to move. If the Bills can get there, I'll take that over the alternatives. I don't think the Bills organization has had the choice between two top ranked QBs in round one since ' 83 . That one turned out OK.
Carter Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 Beanes job depends on finding his QB, this year. We currently have no starting QB. He must move up, there is no choice. Giants and Browns know this, they hold all the leverage. THIS draft is make or break for McBeane and McDermott, it’s a huge draft. No room for error.
aristocrat Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Hell No! Trade draft picks, not players. Player is worth more. We’d have all the picks to replace that guy. Similar to glenn deal 4 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Haha. There's no way they're trading a solid young player and the first ever pick of the McDermott era. Their secondary is probably one of the strongest overall groups on the team. No way they're gonna meddle with that right now. It's one of very few areas of the team where they probably feel pretty good. Honestly at this point I don't see very many players they have that they can use in a trade. People say Hughes/Lawson a lot but those guys aren't going anywhere. Hughes' contract isn't bad, Lawson is still developing and on a rookie deal, plus McDermott relies heavily on his DL and wants that to be one of the best groups on the team. White is probably our most valuable asset at the moment.
HappyDays Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 20 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: You are already paying a big premium before next year’s 1. I don’t see next year’s 1 being involved unless it’s a last resort. That is the Bills single best asset. That’s not the throw in. You keep adding from this year. I'll be surprised if we get to #2 without giving away next year's 1st. I'm not interested in giving that away when QBs like Mayfield, Jackson, and Rudolph are available for much less. If we could do it with the picks you posted I would say go for it, but we're not even in the top 10 so they're going to want a very hefty return. 22 minutes ago, Gugny said: I don't understand this knock on the kid. He's a very smart kid and realizes that the overwhelming majority of his lifetime will be spent NOT playing football. What's wrong with looking ahead? There's been too much smoke surrounding his desire to go to a big market for my liking. If he goes to Cleveland or Buffalo I think he'll get bored and eventually lose focus. He is not your average football player. He can make millions doing something else and he's had a couple concussions already. Hand him a few million dollars before he ever does anything and you have a recipe for an early quitter. I think he has the skills to be the next Peyton Manning, seriously, but his other concerns scare me a lot.
Boatdrinks Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: I'll be surprised if we get to #2 without giving away next year's 1st. I'm not interested in giving that away when QBs like Mayfield, Jackson, and Rudolph are available for much less. If we could do it with the picks you posted I would say go for it, but we're not even in the top 10 so they're going to want a very hefty return. The # 2 will be a very expensive move up. Maybe the Bills don't believe there is a large separation between the QBs likely available at 2 and who they might get with a lower pick. At a much lower cost. If they pay that premium to get to #2 then we'll know they believe the separation is huge.
Captain Hindsight Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 55 minutes ago, offyourocker said: I really fear we will overpay for a qb What is the cost of not having one? See: past 18 years
Pasaluki Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 Just now, HappyDays said: I'll be surprised if we get to #2 without giving away next year's 1st. I'm not interested in giving that away when QBs like Mayfield, Jackson, and Rudolph are available for much less. If we could do it with the picks you posted I would say go for it, but we're not even in the top 10 so they're going to want a very hefty return. Mayfield might not get past 5 and then the Dolphins can get him at 11. I would be fine with trading up to 5 for Mayfield. If they are trading up to 2 their target most likely is Josh Rosen.
K D Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: What if Allen ends up as the best QB from this draft ? The fact is that none of us know. Including ANY of the NFL teams drafting them. You give yourself too much credit. I stated I would prefer a move to the 2nd pick, NOT that I would like the Bills to give up everything to do so. That's a different question / discussion altogether. The best scenario for this Bills GM/ HC/ scouting department ( not the same " them" as the last 20 years) is to have the choice. The opportunity to go all in on the player they believe in the most, rather than hope that player is the one that slides to them at pick 5, 6 or whatever. Yes , that is also an opportunity to get it wrong. If that happens, then jobs will likely be lost. But all GMs would take the ability to make the choice every single time. The # 2 pick may well be out of reach due to cost or the Giants unwillingness to move. If the Bills can get there, I'll take that over the alternatives. I don't think the Bills organization has had the choice between two top ranked QBs in round one since ' 83 . That one turned out OK. Yea the point is I don't trust them. I trust myself much more. My guy is Rosen. Perhaps you give them too much credit. What experience do they have in evaluating QB's? Trading to 2 and giving up everything to do so go hand in hand. The cost to go to 2 is going to be crazy compared to maybe 5-7. If they are going all the way up to 2 to get Allen or Darnold I would much prefer they stay back and get Mayfield. That's my opinion and a lot of people may agree with that assessment 2
MAJBobby Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I really think this is a different situation....but I realize your only thinking about this hypothetically Darby had a good first year...then struggled when asked to change systems Tre had a pro bowl worthy first season.....and is in the perfect system for him (and was drafted by this regime) I expect the cost to trade up to be high.....but would rather use lottery tickets then good established players I get where you are coming from. I just dont have a cant touch player on this roster if it comes to securing a top QB. Maybe Hyde and Tre would be the closests (Hyde more so than Tre)
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 31 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: We will trade the farm to move up, draft whoever, which 2/3 of the people here will hate, and the Pats will take Rudolph, Lauletta or White and they will be geniuses. IF we get up there and take a "blue chip" QB, whomever it ends up being, we have to give the kid a chance. Period, end of story. These kids have enough talent where if they are coached properly and given a legit chance, odds are they will succeed.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, offyourocker said: I really fear we will overpay for a qb Picks are overrated , look back at all the draft and see where these players are now and the same can be said for most teams. If we can get a franchise QB then it will be worth it, if not you fill the holes with solid free agents like we did this spring and last year and keep working deals till we finally get our Guy. Edited April 2, 2018 by Buffalo Barbarian 2
Carter Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 You don’t trade your starting QB without a rock solid plan and better alternative. AJ is not that. we must move up and we will. 2
dlonce Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 1 hour ago, SWATeam said: Didn't try hard enough to trump the Jets offer. Hopefully he pulls something off. Put yourself as the Colts GM. They received an ungodly haul to move down two spots. That’s TWO spots not nine. Now they are in position to do one of two things,draft a guy they wanted at three or trade down again and grab another haul from a team like Buffalo. Makes total sense for the Colts and you can’t blame Beane if the Colts didnt want to trade with him at that point in time.
HappyDays Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: What is the cost of not having one? See: past 18 years Who said anything about not drafting a QB at all? 5 or 6 QBs will go in the 1st round this year. We can draft one without giving up a bunch of picks. Everyone is focused on pick 2. That is far from our only option.
Carter Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 1 hour ago, SWATeam said: Didn't try hard enough to trump the Jets offer. Hopefully he pulls something off. Jets were more aggressive. Could back fire on Beane.
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