napmaster Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 Finally, the right question about Darnold by Simms. Rosen - throws the best looking ball Allen - strongest arm Mayfield - top winner, most competitive Jackson - top athlete Rudolph - most prolific and then Darnold - best or top at what? turnovers? Darnold may very well turn out to be the best of this draft class. But the no-brainer #1 comments I keep hearing on the NFL network makes me scratch my head.
MAJBobby Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 26 minutes ago, horned dogs said: Every time Jim Mora Jr. opens his mouth he removes all doubt! He is an a-hole of the first order Agree i have never heard a former coach throw his own players under the bus as much as I have with Mora. He did the same with Myles Jack in his draft year. 1
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: Agree i have never heard a former coach throw his own players under the bus as much as I have with Mora. He did the same with Myles Jack in his draft year. I can't imagine ever hiring this guy again!
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, BigBuff423 said: Your pessimism is astounding. In a year where the Bills overachieved, ended the drought, have Draft capital unlike we've seen in many years, and one of the most accomplished Front Offices in all of the NFL, you seem to want to dump all over the parade. Why? No, seriously...why? Do you feel smarter for insinuating that McD and his staff are unable to coach a cerebral QB? If you're suggesting that last year's Offense is somehow indicative of what is projected to be this year's Offense, did you miss the dismissal of their Offensive Coordinator? Did you understand that Dabol runs a similar system to the Patriots and Louisville? Do you understand philosophies can change based on the talent and players they have on their team? McD played a conservative Offense mainly because he was forced to and of course, yeah the QB couldn't well, you know...QB. So, running and keeping the score low so his Defense could try and create turnovers and play the field position game was the best chance at winning. Presuming the Bills take any of the top 5 QBs, and they're able to help their QB with a better outside WR, and get a good MLB, there's no reason to think the Bills can't be good next year. Will they be? Who knows...but presuming McD is fine with running the ball and playing Defense, is a huge stretch of logic that buys you a bridge to nowhere. Sorry to strike a nerve so early in the morning. Maybe a beer some Cheerios and a trip to Dyngus Day is what you need to relax it up. no I do not feel smarter for pointing out that Buffalo is on the low end if not the absolute bottom when it comes to offense. They had abysmal results and They have no one on the staff who is considered a current great offensive mind or an up and coming offensive strategizer. If the question is “where would Rosen fit with a challenging offensive mind” sorry that’s not Buffalo by a mile. I still hope they draft Rosen. But as far as participating in this exercise, not a chance Rosen is anywhere the fit forcbuffalo based on Offensive Minded staff. Edited April 2, 2018 by RalphWilson'sNewWar
stuvian Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 with each passing mock I become less convinced that there is a QB worth trading up for. Stay at 12 and take Jackson 2
FeelingOnYouboty Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, stuvian said: with each passing mock I become less convinced that there is a QB worth trading up for. Stay at 12 and take Jackson Jackson has gotten better every year and I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up better than a few of the top QB's. Unfortunately I don't see the Bills even viewing him as an option.
BigBuff423 Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 29 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Sorry to strike a nerve so early in the morning. Maybe a beer some Cheerios and a trip to Dyngus Day is what you need to relax it up. no I do not feel smarter for pointing out that Buffalo is on the low end if not the absolute bottom when it comes to offense. They had abysmal results and They have no one on the staff who is considered a current great offensive mind or an up and coming offensive strategizer. If the question is “where would Rosen fit with a challenging offensive mind” sorry that’s not Buffalo by a mile. I still hope they draft Rosen. But as far as participating in this exercise, not a chance Rosen is anywhere the fit forcbuffalo based on Offensive Minded staff. I'm good...no Cheerios needed, but based on your negativity, you may want to take your own advice. As for "They have no one on the staff who is considered a current great offensive mind or an up and coming offensive strategizer", this is might be your most laughable statement thus far. Brian Daboll was on the short list to be hired back by NE if McDaniels was to take the Colts job. Saban and Belichick speak volumes about Daboll's ability....and you remember the National Title game, right? Where Hurts was pulled and Tagovailoa started the 2nd half, only to throw for 166 yards and 3 TDs - including the dagger in OT....that same Offensive Coordinator who couldn't overcome a really poor 1st half by his run-first QB to change schemes on the fly and get the win? That guy? That's the one who is not worthy of at the very fricken least, a little time, like, I don't know, half a season, to see what he can do? As for Offensive minded staff, if you look at Daboll's history, you can see where he and McD fit. Daboll is in fact an OC who did much more in running the ball, especially his last OC job in KC....here's the caveat, the QBs he had to work with were worse than Tyrod, so he ran the ball - because like McD, they had no other choice. In fact, considering how poor the QBs were, his ability to scheme for getting the yards on the ground the way he did with teams knowing the QBs weren't worth a postage stamp, says he's better than you're currently giving him credit for. Will he be a great OC for Buffalo? I have no idea....but to discredit him before he's even had a chance with the Bills' new (and I would hope improved) QB and a decent supporting staff, if the Bills can Draft or sign a good boundary WR opposite Benjamin, is merely finding reasons to be negative, with no real purpose in mind. 1
metzelaars_lives Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 6 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Tired of these mocks , just need to get the draft over with. The teams know what they want and how it's going to fall, time to get The show on the road. Also tired of the mocks, but teams absolutely do NOT know how it's going to fall. The Jets have no idea which QB's are going to be available at 3.
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: I'm good...no Cheerios needed, but based on your negativity, you may want to take your own advice. As for "They have no one on the staff who is considered a current great offensive mind or an up and coming offensive strategizer", this is might be your most laughable statement thus far. Brian Daboll was on the short list to be hired back by NE if McDaniels was to take the Colts job. Saban and Belichick speak volumes about Daboll's ability....and you remember the National Title game, right? Where Hurts was pulled and Tagovailoa started the 2nd half, only to throw for 166 yards and 3 TDs - including the dagger in OT....that same Offensive Coordinator who couldn't overcome a really poor 1st half by his run-first QB to change schemes on the fly and get the win? That guy? That's the one who is not worthy of at the very fricken least, a little time, like, I don't know, half a season, to see what he can do? As for Offensive minded staff, if you look at Daboll's history, you can see where he and McD fit. Daboll is in fact an OC who did much more in running the ball, especially his last OC job in KC....here's the caveat, the QBs he had to work with were worse than Tyrod, so he ran the ball - because like McD, they had no other choice. In fact, considering how poor the QBs were, his ability to scheme for getting the yards on the ground the way he did with teams knowing the QBs weren't worth a postage stamp, says he's better than you're currently giving him credit for. Will he be a great OC for Buffalo? I have no idea....but to discredit him before he's even had a chance with the Bills' new (and I would hope improved) QB and a decent supporting staff, if the Bills can Draft or sign a good boundary WR opposite Benjamin, is merely finding reasons to be negative, with no real purpose in mind. You seem to be confusing pointitng out Dabolls and Buffalos League wide standing when it comes to offense as discrediting him. to say they aren’t considered that highly in offense is not a slight. As of today. April 2, 2018. It is the truth. No one considers the Bills anything on the offensive side of the ball. Except for maybe an occasional run by McCoy. as for Daboll to New England...no. Daboll turned down working under McDaniels in Indy to accept the Buffalo job. Why Buffalo over Indy? 1.) More Money 2.) he’s from buffalo. No other reason. New England was not the equation.
FearLess Price Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 Il feel better about us taking a QB when we trqde up to 6 or 5. We might have to wait till draft day tho. Either way if we end up wit one of the top 4, ill be good with it. 1
BigBuff423 Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 14 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: You seem to be confusing pointitng out Dabolls and Buffalos League wide standing when it comes to offense as discrediting him. to say they aren’t considered that highly in offense is not a slight. As of today. April 2, 2018. It is the truth. No one considers the Bills anything on the offensive side of the ball. Except for maybe an occasional run by McCoy. as for Daboll to New England...no. Daboll turned down working under McDaniels in Indy to accept the Buffalo job. Why Buffalo over Indy? 1.) More Money 2.) he’s from buffalo. No other reason. New England was not the equation. That's not entirely accurate....but whatever. As for turning down a potential Indy job with McDaniels, "more money" and returning home are what you've got? Ok, so the opportunity to coach Luck, probably work closely with what is considered one of the foremost Offensive minds in the NFL, be at least in part credited with what would have been a resurgent Indy Offense, and play 8 games in a new stadium and in a division where parity seems to win every year that would only advance his career, isn't even part of your equation? This marks the end...you've officially gone off the rails, and for whatever reason, have an ax to grind to keep it negative. Fine. Off to your pagan rituals with chasing girls with cold water and whipping them with sticks.
SmokinES3 Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 I want the guy with the 13 Wonderlic. Git 'er done!
BillsFan17 Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 My only concern is these teams in the top five may not be inclined to trade out without knowing who is still on the board, in turn Buffalo won't really have the opportunity to move up. To me Beane absolutely needs to get into the top ten well before draft night, and I don't know if it happens because of the elite top talent.
DefenseWins Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 7 hours ago, mannc said: Problem with that is that in a few years, the Giants will potentially have to deal with fifth-year options on six players in a two-year span. There are worse problems, I guess, but it’s a consideration. That is not a "problem" at all. Not in any respect really. Nobody goes into the NFL draft expecting to "hit" on all their picks. No GM is naive enough to believe that. But it if were to happen, youd' thank your lucky stars and make whatever decisions are best at that time for the future of your team. And remember the Giants have a very narrow window if they want to win one more SB with Eli... No one player they take at #2 is gonna be able to contribute as much as these 6 possible front line players might over time... It's a gamble... Either way...
mannc Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 Just now, BillsFan17 said: My only concern is these teams in the top five may not be inclined to trade out without knowing who is still on the board, in turn Buffalo won't really have the opportunity to move up. To me Beane absolutely needs to get into the top ten well before draft night, and I don't know if it happens because of the elite top talent. Exactly the wrong strategy.
BillsFan17 Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 Just now, mannc said: Exactly the wrong strategy. The wrong strategy to get into the top ten? The one caveat to getting to two would be getting into the top ten...what are you talking about?
baskingridgebillsfan Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 if I run the giants I have to make those trades. I think that would give them 11 prem picks in two years
BillsFan17 Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 Just now, baskingridgebillsfan said: if I run the giants I have to make those trades. I think that would give them 11 prem picks in two years Without a doubt, however they have also sent out mixed messages on how competitive they expect their team to be this season.
baskingridgebillsfan Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: Without a doubt, however they have also sent out mixed messages on how competitive they expect their team to be this season. trading beckhmam gives them some cash to spread out on the secondary free agent market to try to find some quick fixes. 1
mannc Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: The wrong strategy to get into the top ten? The one caveat to getting to two would be getting into the top ten...what are you talking about? I’m talking about panicking and convincing yourself you have to “get into the top ten” BEFORE the draft. Why? No one knows how it’s going to play out. Why trade up to 6 or 7 now, when you have no idea if your guy is going to be there? There is a reason teams have tended NOT to do this.
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