Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 28, 2018 Posted March 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, auburnbillsbacker said: If drafting a pocket passer is the goal why draft a 6'00 tall QB? The Brees argument doesn't cut it for me as Brees is almost 6"1 and has the arm length of a man who is 6"5. Brees is also a superior athlete to Mayfield with a much stronger work ethic. Smoke screen? Your scouting is terribly inaccurate of both QB's. Mayfield has a stronger arm than Brees. Also all QB's need to be able to find throwing lanes, it's not just a short thing. It's a skill. Aaron Rodgers at 6'2 needs to be able to find throwing lanes. He can't see over 6'5 lineman either. 2 1
2003Contenders Posted March 28, 2018 Posted March 28, 2018 34 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Doesn't Rudolph have the smallest hands and weakest arm of the group? I don't know necessarily about the weakest arm (but probably weaker than the top 4 guys), but Rudolph's hands did measure in at just 9". Gil Brandt talked about this on NFL Sirius radio a few days ago when asked why a QB as prolific in college as Rudolph (who Brandt BELIEVES will be a starter at the NFL level) is not as highly sought after as the top 4 guys. He said the biggest issue was his hand-size and that only one QB in the last 15 years had been drafted early in the first round with such small hands. That QB was Jared Goff. Brandt also pointed out that Goff went to a warm weather team in LA, whereas the QB-needed teams picking at the top this year (including Buffalo, given they have the ammunition to move up) are all cold weather teams (Cleveland, Jersey, Denver, Buffalo) where having larger hands to handle the ball is a premium. He went on to suggest that Rudolph otherwise checks off everything on the list, but the smallish hands and possibly lower ceiling than some of the higher-rated QBs could make him fall to the 2nd round. Then after discussing all of this, he laughed and pointed out that Mayfield too had small hands -- just 1/4" bigger than Rudolph's. Meanwhile, Allen has huge hands (well over 10") .
DFT Posted March 28, 2018 Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Baker has been my #1 all along. His attitude problems aren't like Rosen's. His problem is he cares too much about winning and his emotions get the best of him. I'll take that any day over someone that might not even like playing. I think he fits our team and city better than anyone. I bet he would get along very well with McDermott. And we can get him without paying a huge ransom. What am I missing? His height? That's the only real knock I see on him. His Analytics are generational. It surprised me. I still believe Rosen will be the elite prize for Buffalo, but based off of analytics (which the Bills subscribe heavily to), there’s no QB in this draft that’s on his level. The analytics have vastly improved from the wonderlic tests. They’re pretty insightful. http://amp.si.com/nfl/2018/03/22/baker-mayfield-advance-analytics-nfl-draft-oklahoma-pff Edited March 28, 2018 by DFT 1
ALLEN1QB Posted March 28, 2018 Posted March 28, 2018 If they were going to draft him they would have kept Tyrod for him to learn behind. IMO there is no way we draft him.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 28, 2018 Posted March 28, 2018 26 minutes ago, aceman_16 said: Well the word "folks" on THIS board usually implies people from TBD. Moreover, I do not follow the Browns and have no friken idea what they say on their boards (or anyone else's forums for that matter). I guess thank you for the clarification. No these articles were paste here by the McCoy is brees crowd. It happened
CuddyDark Posted March 28, 2018 Posted March 28, 2018 Mayfield or Jackson. I don't believe anything I hear about the other QBs. If they want to win with this roster it will be one of these two. If not they'll take a major step back in wins. 1
wppete Posted March 28, 2018 Posted March 28, 2018 We will have to trade up for one of the top 4 QBs. Hopefully we can get one at 6 and not pay a lot.
DFT Posted March 28, 2018 Posted March 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: So that makes 4 for 4. 1st it was Darnold, then Rosen, then Allen, and now Mayfield. Crazy thing is they are all so different. Darnold the mobile raw pocket QB. Allen the physical freak that struggles mentally. Rosen the pure pocket passer. Mayfield the accurate small QB with special intangibles. Except, consider the sources. All previous ties were reported by those without knowledge or affiliation to Beane and co. That’s not Jeremy White. I trust this more than anything else spewed Firth. This aligns to what Schefter shared when he was in town, that only those tied to this organization, could hope to know what’s really going on. 1 Bills is locked down. Just an opinion though.
CuddyDark Posted March 28, 2018 Posted March 28, 2018 Just now, DFT said: Except, consider the sources. All previous ties were reported by those without knowledge or affiliation to Beane and co. That’s not Jeremy White. I trust this more than anything else spewed Firth. This aligns to what Schefter shared when he was in town, that only those tied to this organization, could hope to know what’s really going on. 1 Bills is locked down. Just an opinion though. Or they could finally realize they can't get the other QBs so they're now looking to Mayfield. Might be the best thing to ever happen to them if they can get him at 6-10.
auburnbillsbacker Posted March 28, 2018 Posted March 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: Your scouting is terribly inaccurate of both QB's. Mayfield has a stronger arm than Brees. Also all QB's need to be able to find throwing lanes, it's not just a short thing. It's a skill. Aaron Rodgers at 6'2 needs to be able to find throwing lanes. He can't see over 6'5 lineman either. You have your opinion and I have mine. If they draft Mayfield I hope I'm wrong.
Chicken Boo Posted March 28, 2018 Posted March 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: Also all QB's need to be able to find throwing lanes, it's not just a short thing. It's a skill. Aaron Rodgers at 6'2 needs to be able to find throwing lanes. He can't see over 6'5 lineman either. Aaron Rodgers is the most naturally talented QB in NFL history. Baker Mayfield is not Aaron Rodgers.
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted March 28, 2018 Posted March 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, PIP said: If they were going to draft him they would have kept Tyrod for him to learn behind. IMO there is no way we draft him. He is more pro ready than any of the other prospects except maybe Rosen.
auburnbillsbacker Posted March 28, 2018 Posted March 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: the bolded is literally not supported by anything..... I would argue Mayfield up to this point in his career has displayed way better athleticism than brees up to that point at purdue..... and Mayfield WALKED ON at 2 different schools. that takes seriously work ethic. you've shown how much you know about the guy. that's for sure. You are correct, I didn't support it. Brees is well known for his athleticism. For example, he could have been a professional tennis player. As for Mayfield's work ethic, his lack of conditioning and strength tell the tale.
dlonce Posted March 28, 2018 Posted March 28, 2018 It’s official. We’ve been linked to every potential first round QB now.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 28, 2018 Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, auburnbillsbacker said: You have your opinion and I have mine. If they draft Mayfield I hope I'm wrong. It's not an opinion. Brees doesn't have a strong arm. Mayfield has much better arm strength. Edited March 28, 2018 by TheTruthHurts
HappyDays Posted March 28, 2018 Posted March 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, DFT said: His Analytics are generational. It surprised me. I still believe Rosen will be the elite prize for Buffalo, but based off of analytics (which the Bills subscribe heavily to), there’s no QB in this draft that’s on his level. The analytics have vastly improved from the wonderlic tests. They’re pretty insightful. http://amp.si.com/nfl/2018/03/22/baker-mayfield-advance-analytics-nfl-draft-oklahoma-pff This part is pretty interesting: Why are you hearing about the AIQ now? One of the two teams that subscribes fully to the testing service already has its franchise quarterback. The other team is not a perennial winner, picks in the top half of the first round this year and is one of the handful of teams most interested in drafting Baker Mayfield I know I shouldn't jump to conclusions but the Bills have invested a lot into analytics and the bolded part could easily be talking about them... 1
HappyDays Posted March 28, 2018 Posted March 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, PIP said: If they were going to draft him they would have kept Tyrod for him to learn behind. IMO there is no way we draft him. Mayfield and Rosen are the two QBs that will probably start right away. They don't need a bridge QB. Which is why I've thought since we traded Tyrod that they're our targets. McDermott loves players that have a lot of college starting experience and can get on the field right away. 2
Stank_Nasty Posted March 28, 2018 Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, auburnbillsbacker said: You are correct, I didn't support it. Brees is well known for his athleticism. For example, he could have been a professional tennis player. As for Mayfield's work ethic, his lack of conditioning and strength tell the tale. and you have something to back up that claim?.... as qb's go Mayfield is fairly impressive physically. he's built like a running back from the waist down. again watch brees at purdue and then Mayfield and tell me who looks like the better athlete on the field. you are just tossing crap out onto the wall and hoping it sticks with no real evidence to back it up. Edited March 28, 2018 by Stank_Nasty
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