billsfan1959 Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 3 hours ago, stony said: Nope. I just have nightmares of 25yd ropes to Gronk up the seem. He makes every throw look easy. Even the 60 yard ones to Moss. He has plenty of arm to make the throws he needs to make; however, IMO, he never had a cannon for an arm. He has made his living in the 5 to 15 yard range with a quick release and accurate throws.
#34fan Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 Thought this was posted before... I already vented. 1
keepthefaith Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 Well in the past week we've had Johnny Manziel and Rex Ryan weigh in on the Bills WR and QB situations.
Deep Voice Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 3 hours ago, Marv's Neighbor said: Rex WHO??? YEAH
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 6 hours ago, George C said: Rex Ryan expects Buffalo Bills to make huge offer to Giants for No. 2 pick in 2018 NFL Draft ‘I do expect them to make a huge offer to the Giants and move up to No. 2. And if I was them, I would take Josh Allen. You need to have a guy to throw the ball in windy conditions, and no one has a bigger arm than that kid.’ No related posts. SMH.. Sounds exactly like a Ryan choice. Well, that's all I need to hear on who "not" to choose. He Would.
8-8 Forever? Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, stony said: Brady had a cannon. Everybody loses a little off their fastball when they hit 40. Brady still has a cannon. He can absolutely bring it when he needs to. Edited March 31, 2018 by 8-8 Forever?
26TrapDraw Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 INterestingly enough this was in another thread already.
benderbender Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 I believe Rex’s quotes were that to trade up would be putting their best foot forward, and that you can't just stick your toe in the water. And that Allen has good feet.
Marv's Neighbor Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 40 minutes ago, Deep Voice said: YEAH Is this his dumb brother FREDO??
thurst44 Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Looper said: Try again ... http://mycountry955.com/what-are-wyomings-windiest-and-least-windy-cities/ Fair enough. And that's a great picture on the site :). So then we've established he's inaccurate in windy conditions. So, since you suggested I "try again", I looked further into this... Allen's accuracy when playing on the road: 58% http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/splits/_/id/3918298/josh-allen Laramie's wind conditions vs. Norman's wind conditions: https://weatherspark.com/y/3574/Average-Weather-in-Laramie-Wyoming-United-States-Year-Round https://weatherspark.com/y/8229/Average-Weather-in-Norman-Oklahoma-United-States-Year-Round Laramie's windier, but not by that much...Louisville and Los Angeles are much less (I'd say obviously, but I did not realize how windy Wyoming was, so research was definitely vital). Buffalo actually lands between Norman and Los Angeles, wind-wise. I will admit that I feel a bit dumb on the whole wind in Wyoming. However, looking into it has made me more resistant to the idea of Josh Allen. If he dropped and we took him while also able to draft a bunch of other players, then I'm all for his potential, but trading up to 2 as Ryan suggests and giving up on a bunch of draft picks, particularly considering last year we might have hit on a starting cornerback 1 and a starting left tackle (and the book is still out, borderline miraculously, on Zay Jones) on the picks in the 22-65 range, is questionable. I'd like the four chances to draft potential starters to help him if we take a guy who most experts label an ultimate boom-or-bust guy as Allen. For the record, Tyrod Taylor had a 62% completion pct in Buffalo last year. http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/14163/tyrod-taylor Edited March 31, 2018 by thurst44
Seventeen Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 25 minutes ago, thurst44 said: Fair enough. And that's a great picture on the site :). So then we've established he's inaccurate in windy conditions. So, since you suggested I "try again", I looked further into this... Allen's accuracy when playing on the road: 58% http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/splits/_/id/3918298/josh-allen Laramie's wind conditions vs. Norman's wind conditions: https://weatherspark.com/y/3574/Average-Weather-in-Laramie-Wyoming-United-States-Year-Round https://weatherspark.com/y/8229/Average-Weather-in-Norman-Oklahoma-United-States-Year-Round Laramie's windier, but not by that much...Louisville and Los Angeles are much less (I'd say obviously, but I did not realize how windy Wyoming was, so research was definitely vital). Buffalo actually lands between Norman and Los Angeles, wind-wise. I will admit that I feel a bit dumb on the whole wind in Wyoming. However, looking into it has made me more resistant to the idea of Josh Allen. If he dropped and we took him while also able to draft a bunch of other players, then I'm all for his potential, but trading up to 2 as Ryan suggests and giving up on a bunch of draft picks, particularly considering last year we might have hit on a starting cornerback 1 and a starting left tackle (and the book is still out, borderline miraculously, on Zay Jones) on the picks in the 22-65 range, is questionable. I'd like the four chances to draft potential starters to help him if we take a guy who most experts label an ultimate boom-or-bust guy as Allen. For the record, Tyrod Taylor had a 62% completion pct in Buffalo last year. http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/14163/tyrod-taylor Thanks for taking the time to look. Having spent time in Wyoming, I can assure you that Laramie and Cheyenne are both very windy at times. How windy a place is should be factored into a completion % as part of the equation along with type of offense, quality of targets to throw to, etc. Not sure what the weighting should be, but it should be a piece of the pie. I'm not saying Allen would have been a 65% passer in SoCal, but we'll never know. I also don't think it wise to sell the farm and move up to #2 to take any of the top 4 rated QBs, including Allen. However, if Allen were to get by Denver @ #5, the Bills should take a chance on him as I think he'd be a great fit in Buff. He will need a year or maybe even two to get comfortable and that's OK with A.J. in the house. I still have Darnold @ 1, Rosen @ 2, Mayfield @ 3, Barkley @ 4, and Allen @ 5 in my mock. 1
stony Posted April 1, 2018 Posted April 1, 2018 16 hours ago, 8-8 Forever? said: Brady still has a cannon. He can absolutely bring it when he needs to. I agree.
starrymessenger Posted April 1, 2018 Posted April 1, 2018 I would not move up to draft Allen. I would seriously consider drafting him at #12 (though he'll be gone by then) but only if the other four (Lamar is #2 after Rosen on my list) are already off the board. He is a great prospect but 100% a project. I don't put too much stock in his 56% completion percentage. This is impacted by the offence he ran and the types of throws he was asked to make. Also I've seen him make very accurate big time throws as well as demonstrating good touch on occasion. So he is capable of doing what he needs to do imo insofar as improving his technique and throwing mechanics. That is not where the biggest risk is. Pocket presence and decision making when under pressure are the main questions in my view. If he can improve in these areas, he could easily develop into a high end QB but it probably takes very good coaching and a year or two behind a solid veteran starter just to find out if he can get there. Absolutely ideal physical attributes for playing the position tho, no doubt about that. God made Allen in his spare time on the seventh day, a Sunday.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 1, 2018 Posted April 1, 2018 23 hours ago, stony said: Brady had a cannon. Everybody loses a little off their fastball when they hit 40. I thought it was one of the pre-draft knocks on Brady that he didn't have a strong arm. There's that "geek bod" combine pick and the "Lacks a really strong arm, Can’t drive the ball downfield, Does not throw a really tight spiral" evaluation. Brady worked hard after he was drafted and improved his arm strength considerably, but I don't think anyone ever thought he had a cannon.
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