Warren Zevon Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43596919 "Souls are not punished," the Pope was quoted as saying in the Repubblica piece. "Those who repent obtain God's forgiveness and go among the ranks of those who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot be forgiven disappear. There is no hell - there is the disappearance of sinful souls." Of course the Vatican disagrees, but as one who grew up Catholic I find it fascinating Pope Francis, against thousands of years of traditional doctrine, has the gall to imply there is no hell and that "sinful souls" merely disappear. These ideas open many cans of worms for those who interested in whether or not the Devil and other evil deities exist. Happy Easter PPP 1
3rdnlng Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 On 3/30/2018 at 2:08 PM, garybusey said: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43596919 "Souls are not punished," the Pope was quoted as saying in the Repubblica piece. "Those who repent obtain God's forgiveness and go among the ranks of those who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot be forgiven disappear. There is no hell - there is the disappearance of sinful souls." Of course the Vatican disagrees, but as one who grew up Catholic I find it fascinating Pope Francis, against thousands of years of traditional doctrine, has the gall to imply there is no hell and that "sinful souls" merely disappear. These ideas open many cans of worms for those who interested in whether or not the Devil and other evil deities exist. Happy Easter PPP Expand I would say reading just one of your posts is paramount to being in Purgatory, but reading a whole post by OC is a special kind of Hell.
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 This from the same Pope who saw himself holding the authority to change the Word of God. Gary, the Deceiver is alive and well, and this Pope holds his hand.
IDBillzFan Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 No hell? Clearly the Pope has never met anyone who worked on Hillary's last presidential campaign.
Warren Zevon Posted March 30, 2018 Author Posted March 30, 2018 On 3/30/2018 at 2:22 PM, TakeYouToTasker said: This from the same Pope who saw himself holding the authority to change the Word of God. Expand Pope Francis is fascinated with theological debates about good and evil. The word you're referring to is peirasmos, which has two co-equal English translations - "To tempt" & "To be tested" - which are seemingly opposite of each other, a representation of evil (to tempt someone) and of a chance for good (to be tested).
outsidethebox Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) On 3/30/2018 at 2:08 PM, garybusey said: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43596919 "Souls are not punished," the Pope was quoted as saying in the Repubblica piece. "Those who repent obtain God's forgiveness and go among the ranks of those who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot be forgiven disappear. There is no hell - there is the disappearance of sinful souls." Of course the Vatican disagrees, but as one who grew up Catholic I find it fascinating Pope Francis, against thousands of years of traditional doctrine, has the gall to imply there is no hell and that "sinful souls" merely disappear. These ideas open many cans of worms for those who interested in whether or not the Devil and other evil deities exist. Happy Easter PPP Expand As long as Hillary is still around, hell is alive and kicking, or slipping in in her case. Edited March 30, 2018 by westside
Cugalabanza Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) "Disappearance of souls." Nifty little workaround. Ontologically dubious, but politically expedient. Stupid and pandering enough that it just might work. Anyway, hopefully on the next conference call with God, Pontiff guy can bring up a way of simplifying the rules for getting into heaven. This whole two feet in and "complete the process" thing isn't working. ***EDIT: Hold on a sec... Upon review, the Vatican is changing the ruling on the field. There is sufficient evidence for them to state, once again, that "The souls of sinners descend into hell, where they suffer "eternal fire." Please re-set the play clock, remains second down. Edited March 30, 2018 by Cugalabanza 3
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 On 3/30/2018 at 2:29 PM, garybusey said: Pope Francis is fascinated with theological debates about good and evil. The word you're referring to is peirasmos, which has two co-equal English translations - "To tempt" & "To be tested" - which are seemingly opposite of each other, a representation of evil (to tempt someone) and of a chance for good (to be tested). Expand This Pope is not so much fascinated with debates about good an evil in so much as he tends towards arguments that there is no such thing as evil; going so far as to argue that the Lord's Prayer, the very Word of God, should be changed to those ends. This is wicked. On 3/30/2018 at 2:32 PM, Deranged Rhino said: He's in for a rough year. Expand Indeed. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 On 3/30/2018 at 2:49 PM, TakeYouToTasker said: This Pope is not so much fascinated with debates about good an evil in so much as he tends towards arguments that there is no such thing as evil; going so far as to argue that the Lord's Prayer, the very Word of God, should be changed to those ends. This is wicked. Expand There is no hell to go to... If we are already living there.
LeviF Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 Hoo boy. The sedevacantists are having a field day now. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 Black eyed pope... There seems to be a string of people with black eyes, always the left eye. Wonder why that is. (No I don't)
Cugalabanza Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 On 3/30/2018 at 3:00 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Black eyed pope... Expand I want to start a band just so I can use that as the band name. 3
Warren Zevon Posted March 30, 2018 Author Posted March 30, 2018 On 3/30/2018 at 2:49 PM, TakeYouToTasker said: This Pope is not so much fascinated with debates about good an evil in so much as he tends towards arguments that there is no such thing as evil; going so far as to argue that the Lord's Prayer, the very Word of God, should be changed to those ends. Expand The Lord's prayer was changed in the language you and I speak, English, but the Latin was not altered. I wonder if Vatican II took into consideration when it allowed the Catholic mass to be spoken in languages other than Latin.
Deranged Rhino Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) Edited March 30, 2018 by Deranged Rhino 1
Cugalabanza Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 On 3/30/2018 at 3:00 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Black eyed pope... There seems to be a string of people with black eyes, always the left eye. Wonder why that is. (No I don't) Expand So you think the Pretzel Industrial Complex is behind this? 1
freddyjj Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) On 3/30/2018 at 3:05 PM, Deranged Rhino said: So their wives (or the Pope's valet) are all Righties! Expand Edited March 30, 2018 by freddyjj typo 1
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