4merper4mer Posted April 1, 2018 Posted April 1, 2018 On March 31, 2018 at 1:44 PM, Thurmanator 12074 said: So let me get this straight Chris Brown knows how bad he thinks Allen might be and destroys him. But most draft Experts have him going number 1 over all to cleveland. So he is not good enough to go in the middle of the first round or even 2nd or 3rd round. So who am I to believe The Draft experts or Chris Brown who knows nothing about drafting QB’s. I’m going to be laughing my ass off in a couple years from now when Allen becomes the best QB in the draft class You do realize that Blaine Gabbert was hyped to the hilt by draft experts too right? They called it payola back in the radio days.
17 Josh Allen Posted April 1, 2018 Posted April 1, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: You do realize that Blaine Gabbert was hyped to the hilt by draft experts too right? They called it payola back in the radio days. Yes I do, but no big time hype for Rudolph it’s all about the Allen and Darnold Hype. Meanwhile Mayfield and Rudolph are getting short changed. Also Rosen is getting savaged by media reports. most of them are probably fulse. That’s why I’m on the Rudolph train. I’ve looked at him pretty good. I think this guy is real and a leader and has the whole package. Who’s to say he does not end up being the best QB in this draft class. Edited April 1, 2018 by Thurmanator 12074
Seventeen Posted April 1, 2018 Posted April 1, 2018 On 3/31/2018 at 1:47 PM, JohnC said: Maybe Paxton Lynch can give him some tips on what not to do? One of the reasons why I don't think that the Broncos are going to draft a qb with their high first round pick is that Lynch has shown a commitment to his profession this offseason that he hasn't shown before. Elway may try to salvage what up to now has been a mistake. Either that or they trade Lynch knowing they're going to draft Allen.
WPBillsFan Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 On 3/31/2018 at 6:23 AM, Scorp83 said: Hmmmm.... smh... couldn't agree with you more I've been reading through this whole thread, you & that other poster Nasty are just speaking in circles... people are going to like who they like. It's on them if they're not trying to listen On 4/1/2018 at 8:38 AM, Scorp83 said: But whoever takes him will most likely lose there job. & if this fanbase wants the Bills to succeed... you & everyone else better pray... Beane doesn't select Allen. So true...
billsredneck1 Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 On 3/30/2018 at 1:35 AM, BuffaloBillsGospel said: If they take a WR again before we even have a QB then I'll say goodbye to another regime. I'm going to say not a chance they pass up a QB, none. but...a.j. could be better than dalton and ridley could be be a huge weapon....especially if he can be a deep threat.
BillsMafia13 Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 On 3/30/2018 at 7:26 AM, WideRightRevenge said: Check this out .. granted a couple of years old ... but kind of tells a lot I think in terms of scores for the position ... Jackson's score doesn't help him when compared to below. Didn't know Tyrod's score till I pulled this. Not sure if connected ... but could illustrate why he couldn't see beyond the first receiver in a progression? Arizona Cardinals Carson Palmer USC 2003 (1) 26 Atlanta Falcons Matt Ryan Boston College 2008 (3) 32 Baltimore Ravens Joe Flacco Delaware 2008 (18) 27 Buffalo Bills Tyrod Taylor Virginia Tech 2011 (180) 15 Carolina Panthers Cam Newton Auburn 2011 (1) 21 Chicago Bears Jimmy Clausen Notre Dame 2010 (48) 23 Cincinnati Bengals Andy Dalton TCU 2011 (35) 29 Cleveland Browns Josh McCown Sam Houston State 2002 (81) 30 Dallas Cowboys Brandon Weeden Oklahoma State 2012 (22) 27 Denver Broncos Peyton Manning Tennessee 1998 (1) 28 Detroit Lions Matthew Stafford Georgia 2009 (1) 38 Green Bay Packers Aaron Rodgers Cal 2005 (24) 35 Houston Texans Ryan Mallett Arkansas 2011 (74) 26 Indianapolis Colts Andrew Luck Stanford 2012 (1) 37 Jacksonville Jaguars Blake Bortles UCF 2014 (3) 28 Kansas City Chiefs Alex Smith Utah 2005 (1) 40 Miami Dolphins Ryan Tannehill Texas A&M 2012 (8) 34 Minnesota Vikings Teddy Bridgewater Louisville 2014 (32) 20 New England Patriots Tom Brady University of Michigan 2000 (199) 33 New Orleans Saints Drew Brees Louisiana Tech 2004 (106) 28 New York Giants Eli Manning Ole Miss 2004 (1) 39 New York Jets Ryan Fitzpatrick Harvard 2005 (250) 48 Oakland Raiders Derek Carr Fresno State 2014 (36) 20 Philadelphia Eagles Sam Bradford Oklahoma 2010 (1) 36 Pittsburgh Steelers Michael Vick Virginia Tech 2001 (1) 20 San Diego Chargers Philip Rivers NC State 2004 (4) 30 San Francisco 49ers Colin Kaepernick Nevada 2011 (36) 37 Seattle Seahawks Russell Wilson Wisconsin 2012 (75) 28 St. Louis Rams Nick Foles Arizona 2012 (88) 29 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jameis Winston Florida State 2015 (1) 27 Tennessee Titans Marcus Mariota Oregon 2015 (2) 33 Washington Redskins Kirk Cousins Michigan State 2012 (102) 33 Wow good find, I didnt think Bridgewater could score so low, the kids head is the size of a beach ball. Also didnt realize Tyrod did so poorly, might explain some things
Tenhigh Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 On 3/30/2018 at 8:54 AM, Chuck Wagon said: I think Allen is going to be really good. I've seen enough people who have no clue what they are talking about rip him down and on the flip side people whose opinion I respect talk highly of him. The guy has the physical tools to get something positive out of a bad play and when he's on he's hands down better than the other guys in this class. How does he stack up when the play is NOT broken? Something to be said for not getting to that point.
jrober38 Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 I agree with everything Chris Brown says. Josh Allen is a terrible prospect with critical flaws.
thebandit27 Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I agree with everything Chris Brown says. Josh Allen is a terrible prospect with critical flaws. So your opinion is that he should go undrafted?
N.Y. Orangeman Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 I find it fascinating that every draft analyst, the ones who have never been employed by an NFL team, hate Allen, while nearly every team at the top of the draft is debating whether to take him.
jrober38 Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: So your opinion is that he should go undrafted? I'd be cool with Allen in the 3rd round.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, N.Y. Orangeman said: I find it fascinating that every draft analyst, the ones who have never been employed by an NFL team, hate Allen, while nearly every team at the top of the draft is debating whether to take him. What have I missed? Who says this?
thebandit27 Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I'd be cool with Allen in the 3rd round. There's no way that you'd be cool with a "terrible prospect" with "critical flaws" in any round. He's either both of those things and therefore undraftable, or he's neither of those things and your characterization of him is hyperbole. 19 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I agree with everything Chris Brown says. Josh Allen is a terrible prospect with critical flaws.
jrober38 Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: There's no way that you'd be cool with a "terrible prospect" with "critical flaws" in any round. He's either both of those things and therefore undraftable, or he's neither of those things and your characterization of him is hyperbole. Like I said, I'm cool with a 6'5 QB with a huge arm in round 3. Not a chance I'm picking a guy with major accuracy issues and questionable decision making in round 1. 1
thebandit27 Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Like I said, I'm cool with a 6'5 QB with a huge arm in round 3. Not a chance I'm picking a guy with major accuracy issues and questionable decision making in round 1. I guess I don't understand. If you truly think he's as bad a player, with as little a chance for success as you say, then why would you bother with him at all? If I really felt the way you appear to (terrible, critical flaws, etc.) about a guy, then he's not on my draft board. Example: Orlando Brown is a 6'8" OT that didn't allow a sack as a senior; he's not on my draft board. He came into draft season with a potential 1st round grade from some personnel guys, and yet I would not pick him with any pick whatsoever. He's overweight, slow, and had a horrendously lazy and nonathletic performance in his workouts.
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