Dear Allen Supporters...

[BillsMafioso]

1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

Don't see the Jets taking Allen.  I think the owner and new GM in Cleveland may value Allen.  I don't think Hue Jackson will determine that pick.  Giants may reasonably think they are unlikely to be at 2 again any time soon and it is a good opportunity to draft Eli's eventual successor.  If Elway sees himself in Allen, he may pull the trigger.  Of course, this is all speculation.

Perhaps, but these are all uphill scenarios considering the state of each organization right now.

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

7 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

We don’t need A quarterback, we need the right quarterback. I don’t want them to take a QB just because one is there. If they see a potential franchise QB in this draft then they will likely have to trade up to get him and I hope they do if it’s not too costly. 

 

Don’t take a QB just to say you did. And if you can't get the QB you want in round 1, start building the team around McCarron/Peterman and a round 2 or 3 QB if there is one that might fit.

 

BS, this is supposedly the deepest QB draft since 2004 where Eli manning, Phillip Rivers and big Ben were drafted, the draft experts are saying there could be up to 5 franchise QB's to come out of this draft class... I'm assuming it's Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield and Jackson... No more excuses.

[buffaloboyinATL]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

BS, this is supposedly the deepest QB draft since 2004 where Eli manning, Phillip Rivers and big Ben were drafted, the draft experts are saying there could be up to 5 franchise QB's to come out of this draft class... I'm assuming it's Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield and Jackson... No more excuses.

Sorry, I disagree. You can't just draft a guy cause he is available at your pick, you have to evaluate them all, decide which one or ones you believe are potential franchise QB's and do whatever you can to draft him. But if the one (s) you want are gone, you can't just take the next guy on the list because "experts" said it's a good QB draft class. Choosing the wrong guy can hold a franchise back for years. Remember, JP Losman was also a first round pick that year. 

[Misterbluesky]

14 hours ago, Scorp83 said:

Allow my guy Chris Brown to provide some facts on Allen. If he was at 12... the Bills will draft Calvin Ridley before they take Allen! It's just common sense. Some of you have to pay attention the way this front office works. If there is one person the Bills are not interested in... That's Josh Allen. & that's not opinion...its a fact!

 

03-26 John Murphy Show HR 2 - Chris Brown destroys Allen

https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/wgr550.hosted.cx/hosting/media/wgr550/1642018/122301576.mp3

Next week we'll see a report by a media guy who claims the Bills love him.

[Greensleeves]

This is why Josh Allen may be the best QB in this class and why he may go #1 overall. IMO, Mayfield will take more time to adjust to the NFL because he never played under center. Allen played on a lesser team with a bad line, below average receivers and didn't pad his stats with screen passes. Take a look at this post from another message board:

 

 I just learned a ton from this post on a message board on why comparing college QBs stats is an exercise in futility. I really want Rosen, but Allen would be my second choice after reading this.

This is a great explanation that shows why comparing completion %, etc. amongst college QBs is near impossible based on how most systems are too far removed from the NFL Game. This was taken from another message board, but I learned a lot from it. Makes me really want Rosen or Allen.

I really... really.... really.... despise stats at the NFL level. But I literally fall down laughing at them when someone compares the stats of college QB's. Trust me man.... this is useless information. But I'd be glad to explain it anyways. 

The first thing you need to understand is that college is different than the pro's. It's a bunch of young kids who have severely limited practice time via the NCAA. Therefore the game is based entirely on athleticism. The most effective systems in college are the Spread and Air Raid. The Air Raid for example is a conceptual offense that runs about 10 plays based on "concepts" rather than actual play calls. Your 5 year old could learn to run an Air Raid offense. Kids that come out of these systems have jacked up stats. Because the systems are entirely based on their athleticism. Previous QB's in these systems include Johnny Manziel who had EXCELLENT completion percentage and sucked balls in the NFL because he couldn't learn to run a timing offense to save his life. 

Josh Allen and Josh Rosen are in pure pro style offenses which are MUCH too complicated to run at the college level. Josh Allen's HC runs this type of system because he's trying to groom NFL QB's in order to get notoriety for his program. Carson Wentz came from the same system and was recruited by the same guy. Because Pro style systems are 100 times more complicated and much less effective their QB stats are not comparable to other college systems. Pro style QB's in college throw less TD's, have lower completion percentages, and throw more INT's. This is especially true if they are on a bad football team. Because the pro style offense is built on timing. It's an intricate machine in which every moving part has to be in the right place at the right time. There is predesigned footwork (developed by Paul Brown BTW) for every single throw. Go watch this and you'll have a better understanding of it.  
https://scout.com/nfl/browns/Video/QB-Walsh-part-1-of-7-8260141?View=Full

Once you understand how footwork is intricately tied to the timing and accuracy of plays in a pro style offense then you have to determine three things to judge a guys accuracy (especially in college.) First.... does the line consistently give him time to execute his footwork properly? In Josh Allens case the answer is hell no. Second.... Do the WR's properly count their steps, avoid the press, and create the proper window at the proper time. In Josh Allens case the answer is hell no. Third.... If the first two worked properly did the QB execute sound footwork and body mechanics delivering an accurate pass. In Josh Allens case the answer is hell no because it was impossible. But when he did..... he was very accurate and decisive. 

What we have here is a system that's much too complicated for college football. It's much less effective. His football team was consistently a 2 win team for a long time prior to his arrival. They are not good at recruiting. They are not even the best of the bottom of the barrel of a division 2 team. And yet Josh Allen led them to back to back 8 win seasons with bowl appearances. 

The kid was asked to be 100% of the offense. He learned some really bad habits. His coach basically said they knew they didn't have the talent to win so they crossed their fingers and chunked it almost every play. They didn't run the ball. They put it all on Allen and the kid made some amazing plays to keep them in football games. 

He needs to be retrained. But even with the bad habits he's still better prepared and less of a project than Darnold or Mayfield because they are both spread QB's. I firmly believe that Rosen is the best QB in this class. I'd take him in a heartbeat. But I have a sneaking suspicion that Allen may end up the best of the bunch and dare I say has HoF potential. He's tough as hell. Most of his games are in the ice and snow in Wyoming. He fights like hell. He just has a bad habit of throwing off balance and making ill advised throws because he had to. The kids a winner pure and simple. Whoever takes him is going to have some rough going if he starts as a rookie. Lots of people are going to call me a moron. But by his third year he could be the best in this class and possibly even one of the best in the league. 

I watch him play and see a lot of Favre and Brees when he was younger. Plus the kid has really quick feet. It's not going to be difficult at all to hone his footwork.

[auburnbillsbacker]

Dear original poster,

I think it is likely you are wrong but time will tell.

[Solomon Grundy]

7 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Its definitely true i watched enough.  Allen plays like he's in some school yard playing with his buddies.

 

He's always leaving the pocket way to early and u can tell the play is not called for a roll-out. 

 

He has no anticipation whatsoever waiting for Wrs to come open before passing the ball way to often.

 

And the accuracy well u don't have to spend more then 5mins watching film to see that he's not accurate .

 

Allen is the white Cardele Jones but without the accolades. 

WRONG!!!! Didn't Cardale WIN something?

[NastyNateSoldiers]

2 minutes ago, the skycap said:

WRONG!!!! Didn't Cardale WIN something?

Exactly i said he's Cardele but without the accolades.

[Socal-805]

14 hours ago, purple haze said:

What does his Wonderlic score have to do with his play or what do the scores of Rudolph or Allen have to do with their play?

Jackson won the Heisnan and was a finalist to win it again this past season.  I did not see 99% of the other QBs in the draft up for the award.  Jackson impacted games with his arm and his legs against a higher level of competition than Allen and in profoundly more dynamic ways than Rudolph.  He's not my first choice, but I keep seeing some twist themselves in knots trying to discredit Jackson with misinformation or irrelevant information.  It's actually weird.

 

You know nothing of any of their intellects.  You know what they scored on a test of random information; The scores do not make one intelligent per se or indicate any savvy in navigating a football field or life in general.  Go get Fitz out of Tampa Bay.  He scored 48 on the almighty Wonderlic.  All those facts made his play so much better when he played for the Bills three teams ago. ?

 

 

 

 

 

A 13???

 

 

[purple haze]

5 minutes ago, Socal-805 said:

 

A 13???

 

 

Jim Kelly a 15.  Dan Marino a 16.  Donovan McNabb, I believe was a 14.  Ryan Fitzpatrick and Greg McElroy did great on it.  Want them?  Kaepernick scored about 40.  He's available.  

 

Does not matter.

[Missouribillsfan]

Lamar Jackson is tyrod 2.0  I don't think we need that   we  need a qb that is a stud  plain and simple  go get Rosen  at all costs  even if it cost 10 first round picks i have  studied  game tape on all the top 7 qb in this draft  I think  Rosen will be  the next  tom Brady  I know  people  are worried about concussions with him so if I were the Gm this  is would trade up for Rosen finding away to hold on to 22 and shock the lease a draft Rudolph  at 22 as well

 

[Dr. Who]

2 hours ago, Greensleeves said:

This is why Josh Allen may be the best QB in this class and why he may go #1 overall. IMO, Mayfield will take more time to adjust to the NFL because he never played under center. Allen played on a lesser team with a bad line, below average receivers and didn't pad his stats with screen passes. Take a look at this post from another message board:

 

 I just learned a ton from this post on a message board on why comparing college QBs stats is an exercise in futility. I really want Rosen, but Allen would be my second choice after reading this. This is a great explanation that shows why comparing completion %, etc. amongst college QBs is near impossible based on how most systems are too far removed from the NFL Game. This was taken from another message board, but I learned a lot from it. Makes me really want Rosen or Allen.

 

I really... really.... really.... despise stats at the NFL level. But I literally fall down laughing at them when someone compares the stats of college QB's. Trust me man.... this is useless information. But I'd be glad to explain it anyways. 

 

The first thing you need to understand is that college is different than the pro's. It's a bunch of young kids who have severely limited practice time via the NCAA. Therefore the game is based entirely on athleticism. The most effective systems in college are the Spread and Air Raid. The Air Raid for example is a conceptual offense that runs about 10 plays based on "concepts" rather than actual play calls. Your 5 year old could learn to run an Air Raid offense. Kids that come out of these systems have jacked up stats. Because the systems are entirely based on their athleticism. Previous QB's in these systems include Johnny Manziel who had EXCELLENT completion percentage and sucked balls in the NFL because he couldn't learn to run a timing offense to save his life. 

 

Josh Allen and Josh Rosen are in pure pro style offenses which are MUCH too complicated to run at the college level. Josh Allen's HC runs this type of system because he's trying to groom NFL QB's in order to get notoriety for his program. Carson Wentz came from the same system and was recruited by the same guy. Because Pro style systems are 100 times more complicated and much less effective their QB stats are not comparable to other college systems. Pro style QB's in college throw less TD's, have lower completion percentages, and throw more INT's. This is especially true if they are on a bad football team. Because the pro style offense is built on timing. It's an intricate machine in which every moving part has to be in the right place at the right time. There is predesigned footwork (developed by Paul Brown BTW) for every single throw. Go watch this and you'll have a better understanding of it.  
https://scout.com/nfl/browns/Video/QB-Walsh-part-1-of-7-8260141?View=Full

 

Once you understand how footwork is intricately tied to the timing and accuracy of plays in a pro style offense then you have to determine three things to judge a guys accuracy (especially in college.) First.... does the line consistently give him time to execute his footwork properly? In Josh Allens case the answer is hell no. Second.... Do the WR's properly count their steps, avoid the press, and create the proper window at the proper time. In Josh Allens case the answer is hell no. Third.... If the first two worked properly did the QB execute sound footwork and body mechanics delivering an accurate pass. In Josh Allens case the answer is hell no because it was impossible. But when he did..... he was very accurate and decisive. 

 

What we have here is a system that's much too complicated for college football. It's much less effective. His football team was consistently a 2 win team for a long time prior to his arrival. They are not good at recruiting. They are not even the best of the bottom of the barrel of a division 2 team. And yet Josh Allen led them to back to back 8 win seasons with bowl appearances. The kid was asked to be 100% of the offense. He learned some really bad habits. His coach basically said they knew they didn't have the talent to win so they crossed their fingers and chunked it almost every play. They didn't run the ball. They put it all on Allen and the kid made some amazing plays to keep them in football games. 

 

He needs to be retrained. But even with the bad habits he's still better prepared and less of a project than Darnold or Mayfield because they are both spread QB's. I firmly believe that Rosen is the best QB in this class. I'd take him in a heartbeat. But I have a sneaking suspicion that Allen may end up the best of the bunch and dare I say has HoF potential. He's tough as hell. Most of his games are in the ice and snow in Wyoming. He fights like hell. He just has a bad habit of throwing off balance and making ill advised throws because he had to. The kids a winner pure and simple. Whoever takes him is going to have some rough going if he starts as a rookie. Lots of people are going to call me a moron. But by his third year he could be the best in this class and possibly even one of the best in the league. I watch him play and see a lot of Favre and Brees when he was younger. Plus the kid has really quick feet. It's not going to be difficult at all to hone his footwork.

Paragraphs are your friend^^^^  and yes, I like Allen. 

[BigDingus]

I'd take ANYONE over Allen, and I think the Bills brass has the same mindset (thank God).
 

Might as well say "I hate my job & don't want a career anymore" if you draft him.

[Scorp83]

16 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Allen averaged a putrid 4.4 ypa vs power 5 teams.  He has NO consistent 

Anticipation 

Accuracy 

Awareness 

Timing

 

Most importantly these problems stem from the internal clock in his head that's borderline unteachable on any level. The mental part of the gm is the most important factor in playing QB at a high level. He just doesn't have it.  He's a project QB at best and because of his arm strength should go starting in the 3rd rd. But obviously there's coaches and GMs that think they can fix em and they will reach high and take him early in the 1st. Whomever that team is there front office will not last long Allen will cost them there jobs.

Thank you! Anyone that actually watched him play can say this!

9 hours ago, auburnbillsbacker said:

Dear original poster,

I think it is likely you are wrong but time will tell.

If I'm betting on Allen? Oh I'll be right! The eyeball test doesn't lie. Look, I get we have a whole new generation fanbase...& I'm not old but I've been watching this team & football for a very long time... I'm not always right... but when I see something bad, I'm able to identify it. Allen is literally J.P. Losman, Kyle Boller, Patrick Ramsey, Jake Locker All in one! All these QB's had a big arm & was athletic in the pocket. But they all had the same issue... lack of accuracy & anticipation.  

 

Plus...IF YOU LISTEN to my link... Chris Brown was down at the Senior Bowl & during the practice... Allen failed to throw a swing pass to the flats, a 10 yard out, & a back shoulder throw.... wow. Like he can't do it...with no pressure of a defense. Why do you think he kept showing off his arm on 9 routes??  It's literally the ONLY THING HE CAN DO CONSISTENTLY 

Edited March 31, 2018 by Scorp83

[thunderingsquid]

I think the three Allen supporters on these boards are diddling around on fortnite tonight.

[Scorp83]

4 minutes ago, thunderingsquid said:

I think the three Allen supporters on these boards are diddling around on fortnite tonight.

???  are there really 3? It definitely feels like it's more... we have posters suggesting we trade up for Allen. People need to stop listening to most of these experts & go watch his games....not his highlights on YouTube. Go watch his bad decision making, accuracy issues. I have some great scouting reports on Allen. I'm a post one.

[Inigo Montoya]

I have enjoyed the many threads on who the best QB is on this message board over the last several weeks.  I don't follow the college game closely and I really don't know much about these QBs except for what I have read on this board.

 

Here is a quick synopsis of what I have learned about the QBs in this year's draft on this message board;

 

1.  Each of the top 6 quarterbacks is the very best one for the Bills to draft

2.  Each of the top 6 quarterbacks is a terrible fit for the Bills and is a guaranteed bust

3.  Each of the top 6 quarterbacks, whichever is selected by the Bills, will result in some posters never watching the Buffalo Bills again

4.  Each of the top 6 quarterbacks is worth trading what ever draft picks are needed in order to move up and draft them 

5.  Each of the top 6 quarterbacks has serious flaws and we should not waste draft picks to trade up for them, but should draft other positions instead

 

With this knowledge in hand, I confess the only thing that I'm certain of is that I'm glad I'm not McBeane....    

 

 

Edited March 31, 2018 by Inigo Montoya

[Scorp83]

16 hours ago, mrags said:

So by your logic, just because there is a lack of interest being reported by the Bills they must want Allen? Hell, they aren’t talking about me, does that mean I’m getting drafted? 

 

Besides, hopefully they do draft him. If nothing more, I just to see you get all mad 

Sounds like you have hate in your blood!

 

I'm here because I love the Bills... I'm here to enlighten my fellow fans especially if they're not seeing things clearly. I don't want our beloved Bills to get laughed at for trading up assets for a project like Allen who's very limited in his game. I want us to get a legit QB...not a guy who can't throw to Rb's in the flats. I want a real QB not J.P. Losman... sorry if you were very young or wasn't around during that era... but it was the worst. 

 

There is nothing...& I mean nothing special about Allen other then his big arm. You know who else had a big arm? Kyle Boller, Patrick Ramsey, Tim Tebow...sorry bro...i need to Bills to succeed...not look like a dumpster fire

9 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

I have enjoyed the many threads on who the best QB is on this message board over the last several weeks.  I don't follow the college game closely and I really don't know much about these QBs except for what I have read on this board.

 

Here is a quick synopsis of what I have learned about the QBs in this year's draft on this message board;

 

1.  Each of the top 6 quarterbacks is the very best one for the Bills to draft

2.  Each of the top 6 quarterbacks is a terrible fit for the Bills and is a guaranteed bust

3.  Each of the top quarterbacks, whichever is selected by the Bills, will result in some posters never watching the Buffalo Bills again

4.  Each of the top 6 quarterbacks is worth trading what ever draft picks are needed in order to move up and draft them 

5.  Each of the top 6 quarterbacks has serious flaws and we should not waste draft picks to trade up for them, but should draft other positions instead

 

With this knowledge in hand, I confess the only thing that I'm certain of is that I'm glad I'm not McBeane....    

Your the kinda person I post these links for. Please don't go by the posts... unless someone provides a link. Like my Chris Brown Link in my OP.

 

Here's a few more: 

 

03-20 Mark Schofield of Inside the Pylon with Howard and Jeremy - http://www.wgr550.com/media/podcast/howard-and-jeremy

 

Watch "Film Room: Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming Scouting Report (NFL Draft 2018 Ep. 6)" on YouTube

 

Watch "Film Room: Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville Scouting Report (NFL Draft 2018 Ep. 5)" on YouTube

 

Watch "Film Room: Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma Scouting Report (NFL Draft 2018 Ep. 3)" on YouTube

 

Granted I can sit here & give you a full breakdown... but doing so will have people misinterpret as if it's my opinion. So to give you a fast track so you don't have to sit around & watch film all weekend. Click my links... & enjoy. Trust... these dudes are legit... the breakdowns are facts! Not opinion... I approve. Scorp won't let you down!

[Spiderweb]

16 hours ago, ColdFront_USAF said:

 

Jackson is not my first choice, but this is just untrue. Watch some film breakdowns of him done by people that know more than either of us about the position. You will see a ton of examples of Lamar standing firm in the pocket, looking through multiple reads and throwing a catchable ball in the face of pressure. He even does some Brady-like moves in the pocket, taking small but effective steps up or away from pressure while still keeping his feet set and his eyes downfield, and reading the whole field.  He generally doesn't take off to run unless there is legitimately nobody open and his time in the pocket has expired, and he uses that to create some mind blowing plays. 

 

Now I'm not saying he's Brady or even close, just that the film disagrees with your assessment. He's a passer first with an amazing ability to run when the play breaks down. 

Accuracy is Jackson's achilles heal. Tape and the combine showed this is lacking with Jackson. Combine also showed less than desireable velocity on his throws. And sadly, the wonderlic score does matter. How much? I hope we find out by watching Jackson play for another team, just not for the Bills. 

[Scorp83]

13 minutes ago, Spiderweb said:

Accuracy is Jackson's achilles heal. Tape and the combine showed this is lacking with Jackson. Combine also showed less than desireable velocity on his throws. And sadly, the wonderlic score does matter. How much? I hope we find out by watching Jackson play for another team, just not for the Bills. 

Jackson actually improved his accuracy last year... his had the worst WR drop percentage out of the top QB's in this class at 8.5%

 

& he still improved! & almost won't the heisman again with a worst O-line & supporting cast!

 

Jackson is my 3rd best QB...but he isn't as bad as your making him seem. Your post should be applied to Allen. Guess who had the 2nd best WR drop percentage? Josh Allen... he WR caught the ball... so how in the world is his passing pct... lower then Jackson's? 3% lower then Jackson. If Jackson had guy's thay didn't drop the ball alot... he'd be over 60% & not at 59.1% this is why Jackson is a better prospect. He shows growth in his game GM's gush over that.

Edited March 31, 2018 by Scorp83