3rdnlng Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Its not just about dependence. Its about animals maintaining their healthy fear of human beings for their safety and ours. You do not want grizzly bears to associate seeing humans with an easy snack. Also, animals should not be consuming Doritos, white bread, and other scraps from humans. They lack the ability to digest most of the ***** we eat. Its a Facebook trope borrowed from some yahoo mail email forward from 20 years ago which oversimplifies and twists two points to deliver something which seems clever and falls apart even under the most superficial scrutiny. Aside from that, its not dumb at all. What you say is true but what is also true is that if you make animals/people dependent upon you to feed them, they will come to expect it and never learn to feed themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 57 minutes ago, Foxx said: but, you know.... they probably just didn't do it right this time.... https://twitter.com/GrrrGraphics/status/1097575255831400448 "Renewables" and "zero-emissions" ARE NOT THE SAME THING. What's German for "You're an idiot?" Sie sind Französisch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 46 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Its not just about dependence. Its about animals maintaining their healthy fear of human beings for their safety and ours. You do not want grizzly bears to associate seeing humans with an easy snack. Also, animals should not be consuming Doritos, white bread, and other scraps from humans. They lack the ability to digest most of the ***** we eat. Its a Facebook trope borrowed from some yahoo mail email forward from 20 years ago which oversimplifies and twists two points to deliver something which seems clever and falls apart even under the most superficial scrutiny. Aside from that, its not dumb at all. in other words, the metaphor is lost upon you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: What you say is true but what is also true is that if you make animals/people dependent upon you to feed them, they will come to expect it and never learn to feed themselves. Profound. Do you really believe that food stamps are an issue because human beings are losing the ability to forage for themselves or have you simply never met a political meme critical of Dems you don't like? 30 minutes ago, Foxx said: in other words, the metaphor is lost upon you? In other words its a trash metaphor and my original point was completely lost on you. I have a hard time taking people seriously that rant about how dumb the left/right/liberal/conservatives are while sharing email forwards which conclude something snappy like "even a class of 3rd graders gets it. Why can't [insert political party]?" If your political beliefs are so simple and free of nuance that they can be encapsulated in a tweet/meme and easily explained to an elementary school classroom then you're a moron. Edited February 18, 2019 by Jauronimo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Profound. Do you really believe that food stamps are an issue because human beings are losing the ability to forage for themselves or have you simply never met a political meme critical of Dems you don't like? In other words its a trash metaphor and my original point was completely lost on you. I have a hard time taking people seriously that rant about how dumb the left/right/liberal/conservatives are while sharing email forwards which conclude something snappy like "even a class of 3rd graders gets it. Why can't [insert political party]?" I forgot what it was like to have a non-discussion with you. There was no mention of political parties here but you had to make that part of this, why? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jauronimo said: ... In other words its a trash metaphor and my original point was completely lost on you. I have a hard time taking people seriously that rant about how dumb the left/right/liberal/conservatives are while sharing email forwards which conclude something snappy like "even a class of 3rd graders gets it. Why can't [insert political party]?" what are you on about? the meme didn't speak to any left/right/liberal/conservative, that is your preconceived notions. it spoke to the US Dept of Agriculture and the US Dept of Interior. it is a very apt metaphor, much the same as the metaphor of giving a man a fish as opposed to teaching a man to fish. but let me guess, the fishing metaphor is a left/right/liberal/conservative construct, right? Edited February 18, 2019 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 52 minutes ago, Foxx said: what are you on about? the meme did speak to any left/right/liberal/conservative, that is your preconceived notions. it spoke to the US Dept of Agriculture and the US Dept of Interior. it is a very apt metaphor, much the same as the metaphor of giving a man a fish as opposed to teaching a man to fish. but let me guess, the fishing metaphor is a left/right/liberal/conservative construct, right? The metaphor is clearly insensitive and hateful to fish. You must respect our aquatic brethren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Koko78 said: The metaphor is clearly insensitive and hateful to fish. You must respect our aquatic brethren. "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 the Nummo shall live forever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 18 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: I forgot what it was like to have a non-discussion with you. There was no mention of political parties here but you had to make that part of this, why? I forgot what it was like to see drivel from the dawn of the internet age recycled as sage wisdom. I didn't realize you were so touchy about broad mentions of the main players in U.S. politics. Substitute ideology for [any political party] if it makes you feel better and my point is the same. Simplifying topics of political debate to a point so free of nuance or context where they can be easily compared to a matter of black and white or right and wrong can be good for a laugh but should not be should not be confused with actual thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: I forgot what it was like to see drivel from the dawn of the internet age recycled as sage wisdom. I didn't realize you were so touchy about broad mentions of the main players in U.S. politics. Substitute ideology for [any political party] if it makes you feel better and my point is the same. Simplifying topics of political debate to a point so free of nuance or context where they can be easily compared to a matter of black and white or right and wrong can be good for a laugh but should not be should not be confused with actual thought. This was my "nuanced" comment to your holier than thou pronouncement that you made to Foxx: What you say is true but what is also true is that if you make animals/people dependent upon you to feed them, they will come to expect it and never learn to feed themselves. In other words there are two sides to the coin. You need to flip it over sometimes to see it, rather than to just strike out at people and be a prick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Foxx said: what are you on about? the meme didn't speak to any left/right/liberal/conservative, that is your preconceived notions. it spoke to the US Dept of Agriculture and the US Dept of Interior. it is a very apt metaphor, much the same as the metaphor of giving a man a fish as opposed to teaching a man to fish. but let me guess, the fishing metaphor is a left/right/liberal/conservative construct, right? Is it your opinion that the U.S. Dept of the Interior is concerned about the work ethic of the animals inhabiting their parks? You do understand that the animals in the equation already know "how to fish", right? Some of them quite literally know how to fish. Food stamps and "teach a man to fish" could be compared and debated in terms of intent and applicability but "don't feed the animals" and teach a man to fish is some next level stupidity. Not every snappy saying and old timey parable that shapes your worldview should be compared our used interchangeably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 18 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: I forgot what it was like to see drivel from the dawn of the internet age recycled as sage wisdom. I didn't realize you were so touchy about broad mentions of the main players in U.S. politics. Substitute ideology for [any political party] if it makes you feel better and my point is the same. Simplifying topics of political debate to a point so free of nuance or context where they can be easily compared to a matter of black and white or right and wrong can be good for a laugh but should not be should not be confused with actual thought. "You're either with us or against us." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: This was my "nuanced" comment to your holier than thou pronouncement that you made to Foxx: What you say is true but what is also true is that if you make animals/people dependent upon you to feed them, they will come to expect it and never learn to feed themselves. In other words there are two sides to the coin. You need to flip it over sometimes to see it, rather than to just strike out at people and be a prick. I agree with your point. Food stamps and "don't feed the animals" is a stupid way to make that point. The proliferation of snappy political memes which at first glance seem reasonable but quickly fall apart under any scrutiny is dumbing down our discourse. These graphics are all over social media and I see them all too commonly accepted as gospel. I think its fair game to breakdown the metaphor or analogy especially when TTYT asked how the logic could be debated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Is it your opinion that the U.S. Dept of the Interior is concerned about the work ethic of the animals inhabiting their parks? You do understand that the animals in the equation already know "how to fish", right? Some of them quite literally know how to fish. Food stamps and "teach a man to fish" could be compared and debated in terms of intent and applicability but "don't feed the animals" and teach a man to fish is some next level stupidity. Not every snappy saying and old timey parable that shapes your worldview should be compared our used interchangeably. again, what in the world are about? you keep trying to twist the meme to fit your preconceived notions. the meme doesn't talk about work ethic in any way, shape or form, that is you injecting a strawman for you to argue against. further, you are now trying to conflate two different metaphors into the same talking point. reading comprehension is not your strong point is it? :sigh: this all reminds me of the saying about arguing with idiots... they will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience... i think we are done here, been real. Edited February 18, 2019 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 2 hours ago, DC Tom said: "Renewables" and "zero-emissions" ARE NOT THE SAME THING. What's German for "You're an idiot?" Sie sind Französisch? Or (perhaps), Sind sie Französisch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 38 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Is it your opinion that the U.S. Dept of the Interior is concerned about the work ethic of the animals inhabiting their parks? You do understand that the animals in the equation already know "how to fish", right? Some of them quite literally know how to fish. And those that don't know how to fish, die. Because the animals that know how to fish pay their fair share of taxes to support those that don't? No. Which is why we need food stamps! [/AOC] 1 minute ago, Nanker said: Or (perhaps), Sind sie Französisch? That would be "Are you an idiot?" But hey, thanks for spoiling the joke with your gatorman-poor understanding of grammar, scheisskopf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Eye ain't know sh it head! I too English speak well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted February 18, 2019 Author Share Posted February 18, 2019 36 minutes ago, DC Tom said: But hey, thanks for spoiling the joke with your gatorman-poor understanding of grammar, scheisskopf. Hab SoSlI' Quch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Gees! Maybe getting screwed by a tax cut for the wealthy is a reason some see socialism as tolerable The tax preparers at H&R Block had to take a new class before their busy season started this year: empathy training. They listened to a mock exchange between an employee and a customer whose refund would not just shrink but disappear. The fictitious client had received a $1,500 refund last year, but this year would owe $575. The playacting was prescient. The tax overhaul that took effect last year promised relief, but now that returns are being filed, some people are baffled. They’re getting smaller refunds — or sometimes having to write a check — even though nothing in their situation seems to have changed. The average refund among early filers was down 8.4 percent, according to the Internal Revenue Service. The smaller checks, in some cases, stem from the loss of certain deductions. For others, it’s because less money is being withheld from their paychecks. The I.R.S., in trying to more closely match the amount held out of paychecks with the amount that taxpayers will owe, changed its withholding tables. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/12/your-money/tax-refund-decrease.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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