/dev/null Posted August 19, 2018 Author Posted August 19, 2018 https://www.yahoo.com/news/venezuela-edge-maduro-unveils-raft-economic-reforms-160712910.html
snafu Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 On 8/19/2018 at 4:37 AM, /dev/null said: https://www.yahoo.com/news/venezuela-edge-maduro-unveils-raft-economic-reforms-160712910.html Expand Maduro: "It's not 'puke', it's 'vomit'."
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 It's being reported that the average adult in Venezuela has lost 30 lbs, and that the flood of refugees over the border into Brazil and the anger of the Brazilian locals at this reality is leading to wide scale violence along the Brazil/Venezuela border.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 On 8/21/2018 at 3:12 PM, TakeYouToTasker said: It's being reported that the average adult in Venezuela has lost 30 lbs, and that the flood of refugees over the border into Brazil and the anger of the Brazilian locals at this reality is leading to wide scale violence along the Brazil/Venezuela border. Expand Tell me more about this racist behavior.
Kevbeau Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 On 8/21/2018 at 3:12 PM, TakeYouToTasker said: It's being reported that the average adult in Venezuela has lost 30 lbs, and that the flood of refugees over the border into Brazil and the anger of the Brazilian locals at this reality is leading to wide scale violence along the Brazil/Venezuela border. Expand Heard they’re also lopping of zeros on the currency and raising the minimum wage. That’ll work well. F it. Buildings already on fire, might as well burn it to the ground. https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-venezuela-economy-20180820-story.html%3foutputType=amp
Dante Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 On 3/28/2018 at 7:14 PM, TakeYouToTasker said: Venezuela was a healthy and established democracy, with and emerging economy, and was the wealthiest country in South America prior to it's socialist revolution. Now it's children fight with machetes for garbage. Expand And when it really gets bad and starvation sets in, the neighboring countries have to take on the refugees that they don't need.
Koko78 Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 On 8/21/2018 at 3:58 PM, Dante said: And when it really gets bad and starvation sets in, the neighboring countries have to take on the refugees that they don't need. Expand Tough call for the neighboring countries. Do you deny access, fortify your border, and let them to their fate, or do you accept them into your country, set up camps to warehouse them, and pay to feed them all with no real benefit to your country?
snafu Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 Ecuador already tightened up their border. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45237368
DC Tom Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 On 8/21/2018 at 3:12 PM, TakeYouToTasker said: It's being reported that the average adult in Venezuela has lost 30 lbs, and that the flood of refugees over the border into Brazil and the anger of the Brazilian locals at this reality is leading to wide scale violence along the Brazil/Venezuela border. Expand But let's put that in perspective: along that whole 1300 mile border there's basically only crossing where you won't die in dense rain forest or mountain ridges. This is basically along one road.
Dante Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 On 8/21/2018 at 4:03 PM, Koko78 said: Tough call for the neighboring countries. Do you deny access, fortify your border, and let them to their fate, or do you accept them into your country, set up camps to warehouse them, and pay to feed them all with no real benefit to your country? Expand From a humanitarian perspective, it's an awful position. From a "let nature take it's course" it should be easy. Let the flawed political systems die but how can that happen if the people that consciously chose that system don't suffer the consequences of it? If there is always an international safety net the disaster they were living in is soon forgotten and the same con game can be remarketed and sold over and over again.
outsidethebox Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 On 8/21/2018 at 4:03 PM, Koko78 said: Tough call for the neighboring countries. Do you deny access, fortify your border, and let them to their fate, or do you accept them into your country, set up camps to warehouse them, and pay to feed them all with no real benefit to your country? Expand You give them free rides to the American border where they can enter illegally. Problem solved ?
Dante Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 On 8/21/2018 at 4:09 PM, westside said: You give them free rides to the American border where they can enter illegally. Problem solved ? Expand You can kind of see the same problem coming very soon to South Africa. I believe the country has an average IQ in the low 70s. Confiscating farms and I imagine chasing out the know-how at the same time. That place has to be 3/4 of the way to disaster. What happens when the food supply is compromised because the people getting the farms don't know what they are doing? Mass migration to Europe? Chasing down the same guy you chased out so you can eat?
Tommy Callahan Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 And the media ignores that plight every single day.
outsidethebox Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 On 8/21/2018 at 4:18 PM, Dante said: You can kind of see the same problem coming very soon to South Africa. I believe the country has an average IQ in the low 70s. Confiscating farms and I imagine chasing out the know-how at the same time. That place has to be 3/4 of the way to disaster. What happens when the food supply is compromised because the people getting the farms don't know what they are doing? Mass migration to Europe? Chasing down the same guy you chased out so you can eat? Expand I don't think these thugs planned to far ahead. That continent is a shithole.
sherpa Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 On 8/21/2018 at 4:05 PM, snafu said: Ecuador already tightened up their border. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45237368 Expand Be mindful that Ecuador was a big supporter of the tragic "Bolivarian Revolution" authored by Chavez. They reap what they sew. Colombia, on the other hand, never was, and they and Brazil have borne the brunt of the exodus from that brilliant eco/political plan. 1
snafu Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 On 8/21/2018 at 4:44 PM, sherpa said: Be mindful that Ecuador was a big supporter of the tragic "Bolivarian Revolution" authored by Chavez. They reap what they sew. Colombia, on the other hand, never was, and they and Brazil have borne the brunt of the exodus from that brilliant eco/political plan. Expand I remember. Ecuador didn't create the Venezuelan mess, but they certainly were cheerleaders of Chavez every time he tried to put a stick into America's eye. On 8/21/2018 at 3:17 PM, Kevbeau said: Heard they’re also lopping of zeros on the currency and raising the minimum wage. That’ll work well. F it. Buildings already on fire, might as well burn it to the ground. https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-venezuela-economy-20180820-story.html%3foutputType=amp Expand Yeah, the plan now it to tie their currency to their own cryptocurrency which is backed by their oil exports. These two articles explain how badly that's going to turn out. https://www.businessinsider.com/venezuelas-oil-criss-cant-be-stopped-2018-3 https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2017/05/07/how-venezuela-ruined-its-oil-industry/#b15a88f7399d
The_Dude Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 This is why history is so important. This is why I study it relentlessly. Socialism sounds great unless you know better.
sherpa Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 I got to watch this first hand. A tragedy. The only puzzling thing is why there hasn't been a revolution there. Other populaces have dumped their govs for far less egregious errors I am quite aware of the forces in play there, but still, it begs the question of why would they put up with this for so long.
Taro T Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 (edited) On 8/21/2018 at 5:32 PM, sherpa said: I got to watch this first hand. A tragedy. The only puzzling thing is why there hasn't been a revolution there. Other populaces have dumped their govs for far less egregious errors I am quite aware of the forces in play there, but still, it begs the question of why would they put up with this for so long. Expand Purely speculation, but would expect a large part of that is that the people suffering the most were the biggest supporters of Chavez & his nationalization policies. To turn on his successor would actually require some introspection. That, & the last time a coup was attempted it did not go well. Those that would be best suited to organize & lead another are no longer available. Certainly, there's a lot more than just that, but those would seem to be major factors. Edited August 21, 2018 by Taro T
GG Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 On 8/21/2018 at 5:57 PM, Taro T said: Purely speculation, but would expect a large part of that is that the people suffering the most were the biggest supporters of Chavez & his nationalization policies. To turn on his successor would actually require some introspection. That, & the last time a coup was attempted it did not go well. Those that would be best suited to organize & lead another are no longer available. Certainly, there's a lot more than just that, but those would seem to be major factors. Expand For the same reason there was no revolution n USSR. Ordinary people didn't believe that their lives were horrid, while the regime bought off the military.
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